Board 8 > We could've had a hotly-debated FFXV vs. BotW final match, but nooo...

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Advokaiser 04/19/20 8:49:54 PM #1:	Breath of the Wild's development cycle was so big that Zelda fans even seriously worried about the possibility of Nintendo giving up on that project, and they worried not only about Zelda's future, but on Nintendo's as well. 2017 came along, and Ocarina of Time's history repeated itself. Development hell -> game finally arrives and becomes one of the most acclaimed games of all time by virtually everyone. Miyamoto's phrase (horribly paraphrased, "Rush a game and it'll become forever bad; while a delayed masterpiece will be forever good") became true once again (subjectively speaking, of course). Final Fantasy XV... only had development hell PLUS bad reception. It makes me so sad that, despite not having the privilege myself of playing neither of those games, one got a happy ending (and bright future), while the other just added to past wounds, mourning for past glory days. I really hope FFVIIR revives Square Enix and its fans. I really hope so. --- It's an honor being part of Board 8's community. <cite>Advokaiser posted [p:937718784] in We could'v... [t:78603248]...</cite> <quote>Breath of the Wild's development cycle was so big that Zelda fans even seriously worried about the possibility of Nintendo giving up on that project, and they worried not only about Zelda's future, but on Nintendo's as well. 2017 came along, and Ocarina of Time's history repeated itself. Development hell -> game finally arrives and becomes one of the most acclaimed games of all time by virtually everyone. Miyamoto's phrase (horribly paraphrased, "Rush a game and it'll become forever bad; while a delayed masterpiece will be forever good") became true once again (subjectively speaking, of course). Final Fantasy XV... only had development hell PLUS bad reception. It makes me so sad that, despite not having the privilege myself of playing neither of those games, one got a happy ending (and bright future), while the other just added to past wounds, mourning for past glory days. I really hope FFVIIR revives Square Enix and its fans. I really hope so. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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greengravy294 04/19/20 9:24:22 PM #3:	metaIslug posted... Pretty sure everyone with an inch of integrity is laughing at Nomura's latest fanfiction aka FF7R What an awful opinion --- https://imgur.com/a/LEqiW https://imgur.com/iXHxhET <cite>greengravy294 posted [p:937720442] in We could'v... [t:78603248]...</cite> <quote>metaIslug posted... </cite> <quote>Pretty sure everyone with an inch of integrity is laughing at Nomura's latest fanfiction aka FF7R</quote>What an awful opinion </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pjbasis 04/19/20 9:25:57 PM #4:	Well you could still like the game and laugh at Nomura's latest fanfiction. Also this has been true since like 2006. Twilight Princess vs FFXII would never be close. --- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/B8%20Girls%202012/pjbas.png <cite>pjbasis posted [p:937720515] in We could'v... [t:78603248]...</cite> <quote>Well you could still like the game and laugh at Nomura's latest fanfiction. Also this has been true since like 2006. Twilight Princess vs FFXII would never be close. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Keltiq 04/19/20 9:28:48 PM #5:	The last Square-Enix game that I enjoyed without reservation was released in 2011 It's been a long time since they were doing great in my books --- I can't believe I lost the Character Battle X guru contest to some guy named Advokaiser <cite>Keltiq posted [p:937720640] in We could'v... [t:78603248]...</cite> <quote>The last Square-Enix game that I enjoyed without reservation was released in 2011 It's been a long time since they were doing great in my books </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mewtwo59 04/19/20 9:45:21 PM #6:	pjbasis posted... Also this has been true since like 2006. Twilight Princess vs FFXII would never be close. Yeah, the last time we could've had a hotly debated FF/Zelda matchup with the most recent games was WW vs FFX. The slide started after that. --- ""Love" is making a shot to the knees of a target 120 kilometers away using an Aratech sniper rifle with a tri-light scope." HK-47 <cite>Mewtwo59 posted [p:937721473] in We could'v... [t:78603248]...</cite> <quote>pjbasis posted... </cite> <quote>Also this has been true since like 2006. Twilight Princess vs FFXII would never be close.</quote> Yeah, the last time we could've had a hotly debated FF/Zelda matchup with the most recent games was WW vs FFX. The slide started after that. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mac Arrowny 04/19/20 10:46:34 PM #7:	pjbasis posted... Well you could still like the game and laugh at Nomura's latest fanfiction. Also this has been true since like 2006. Twilight Princess vs FFXII would never be close. Coincidentally, FFXII was also rushed and had a director change partway through! I think FFXII would've had a much better reception if Matsuno had been allowed to finish it the way he wanted. --- All the stars in the sky are waiting for you. <cite>Mac Arrowny posted [p:937724610] in We could'v... [t:78603248]...</cite> <quote>pjbasis posted...</cite> <quote>Well you could still like the game and laugh at Nomura's latest fanfiction. Also this has been true since like 2006. Twilight Princess vs FFXII would never be close. </quote> Coincidentally, FFXII was also rushed and had a director change partway through! I think FFXII would've had a much better reception if Matsuno had been allowed to finish it the way he wanted.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Yuri_LowelI 04/19/20 11:07:06 PM #8:	Mac Arrowny posted... Coincidentally, FFXII was also rushed and had a director change partway through! I think FFXII would've had a much better reception if Matsuno had been allowed to finish it the way he wanted. FFXII: Zodiac is brilliant. That should have been the version released. metaIslug posted... Pretty sure everyone with an inch of integrity is laughing at Nomura's latest fanfiction aka FF7R FF7R is a fantastic game. Best FF game SE have put out for nearly 15 years. Its actually shocking how good FF7R is because of how awful most FF and KH games have been since the PS2 days. But i don't give Nomura credit. He still tries to ruin some aspects. He needs to fuck right out of SE. --- http://k09.kn3.net/1256263BF.gif <cite>Yuri_LowelI posted [p:937725657] in We could'v... [t:78603248]...</cite> <quote>Mac Arrowny posted... </cite> <quote>Coincidentally, FFXII was also rushed and had a director change partway through! I think FFXII would've had a much better reception if Matsuno had been allowed to finish it the way he wanted.</quote> FFXII: Zodiac is brilliant. That should have been the version released. metaIslug posted... </cite> <quote>Pretty sure everyone with an inch of integrity is laughing at Nomura's latest fanfiction aka FF7R</quote> FF7R is a fantastic game. Best FF game SE have put out for nearly 15 years. Its actually shocking how good FF7R is because of how awful most FF and KH games have been since the PS2 days. But i don't give Nomura credit. He still tries to ruin some aspects. He needs to fuck right out of SE. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Utility Man 04/20/20 12:35:42 AM #9:	Mewtwo59 posted... Yeah, the last time we could've had a hotly debated FF/Zelda matchup with the most recent games was WW vs FFX. The slide started after that. And after that is exactly when I stopped caring about Final Fantasy games. --- 1st Year OMG Link Always Wins. 2nd Year OMG FF7 Always Wins. 3rd Year OMG Link Always Wins. 2101st Year OMG CATS Always Wins. <cite>The Utility Man posted [p:937729740] in We could'v... [t:78603248]...</cite> <quote>Mewtwo59 posted... </cite> <quote>Yeah, the last time we could've had a hotly debated FF/Zelda matchup with the most recent games was WW vs FFX. The slide started after that.</quote> And after that is exactly when I stopped caring about Final Fantasy games. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MZero11 04/20/20 12:41:13 AM #10:	I voted for FFXV Great game --- MZero, to the extreme I'm a cheater at videogames - ertyu <cite>MZero11 posted [p:937729963] in We could'v... [t:78603248]...</cite> <quote>I voted for FFXV Great game </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
puseecat692 04/20/20 7:56:49 PM #11:	poor ffxv sitting at 19% and the 1st ive ever seen a final fantasy game do this abysmal <cite>puseecat692 posted [p:937776847] in We could'v... [t:78603248]...</cite> <quote>poor ffxv sitting at 19% and the 1st ive ever seen a final fantasy game do this abysmal </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 04/20/20 8:05:05 PM #12:	looks like it really was the final match a real monkey paw situation --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:937777254] in We could'v... [t:78603248]...</cite> <quote>looks like it really was the final match a real monkey paw situation </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Relinquished 04/21/20 3:32:50 AM #13:	Mac Arrowny posted... Coincidentally, FFXII was also rushed and had a director change partway through! I think FFXII would've had a much better reception if Matsuno had been allowed to finish it the way he wanted. Given its already universal acclaim and absence of any glaring flaws, it could've been worse for all we know. It obviously wasn't "rushed" either, based on how long it was in development and the fact that it was finished. <cite>Relinquished posted [p:937796996] in We could'v... [t:78603248]...</cite> <quote>Mac Arrowny posted... </cite> <quote>Coincidentally, FFXII was also rushed and had a director change partway through! I think FFXII would've had a much better reception if Matsuno had been allowed to finish it the way he wanted.</quote>Given its already universal acclaim and absence of any glaring flaws, it could've been worse for all we know. It obviously wasn't "rushed" either, based on how long it was in development and the fact that it was finished. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mac Arrowny 04/21/20 9:56:59 AM #15:	Relinquished posted... Given its already universal acclaim and absence of any glaring flaws, it could've been worse for all we know. It obviously wasn't "rushed" either, based on how long it was in development and the fact that it was finished. The amount of time something's in development has no bearing on whether it was rushed or not. FFXII's story clearly drops off halfway through. Another example is Mass Effect Andromeda, where it was being worked on and had builds scrapped for several years, but the final product was developed over the course of 9 months. --- All the stars in the sky are waiting for you. <cite>Mac Arrowny posted [p:937807239] in We could'v... [t:78603248]...</cite> <quote>Relinquished posted...</cite> <quote> Given its already universal acclaim and absence of any glaring flaws, it could've been worse for all we know. It obviously wasn't "rushed" either, based on how long it was in development and the fact that it was finished. </quote> The amount of time something's in development has no bearing on whether it was rushed or not. FFXII's story clearly drops off halfway through. Another example is Mass Effect Andromeda, where it was being worked on and had builds scrapped for several years, but the final product was developed over the course of 9 months.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Relinquished 04/21/20 1:04:49 PM #16:	Mac Arrowny posted... FFXII's story clearly drops off halfway through. It's only clear this opinion wasn't held until after you found out about the development. The halfway point isn't even discernible. And the game wasn't built up and scrapped repeatedly, with the final build taking just 9 months, so the comparison doesn't really work. <cite>Relinquished posted [p:937816958] in We could'v... [t:78603248]...</cite> <quote>Mac Arrowny posted... </cite> <quote>FFXII's story clearly drops off halfway through.</quote>It's only clear this opinion wasn't held until after you found out about the development. The halfway point isn't even discernible. And the game wasn't built up and scrapped repeatedly, with the final build taking just 9 months, so the comparison doesn't really work. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mac Arrowny 04/21/20 1:11:03 PM #17:	You could use MGS5 as a comparison instead if you wanted, where it took years to make and the ending's basically not there due to Konami's interference. --- All the stars in the sky are waiting for you. <cite>Mac Arrowny posted [p:937817294] in We could'v... [t:78603248]...</cite> <quote>You could use MGS5 as a comparison instead if you wanted, where it took years to make and the ending's basically not there due to Konami's interference.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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