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ChichiriMuyo
08/01/20 11:58:40 PM
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It took three tries, but I earned my Day 2 Token. It was frustrating because the deck is designed to beat stuff like goblins and I barely saw any. Two Gobos in my first run, zero in my second and then... two wins away from the end I get two in a row for an easy-ish 7-2. Now I need to put together a sideboard I like.

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ChichiriMuyo
08/02/20 12:22:02 AM
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UltimaterializerX posted...
The problem is the mechanic was a cool idea that functionally did nothing.
That's a fault of set design more than the mechanic. When Ghostfire was released in Future Sight it received a bit of love from RDW/burn players because it being colorless did do something - it let the player kill creatures with Protection from Red without really having to change their game plan. What WotC failed to do was make it matter that those spells were colorless. Personally, if I were designing a new set that featured Devoid I'd really take that as a challenge.

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ChichiriMuyo
08/02/20 12:25:35 PM
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Couldn't sleep at all last night and scrubbed out 2-2. It was enough to break even give or take some gold, so good enough. Maybe now I can get some rest.

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HeroDelTiempo17
08/02/20 12:54:43 PM
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ChichiriMuyo posted...
That's a fault of set design more than the mechanic. When Ghostfire was released in Future Sight it received a bit of love from RDW/burn players because it being colorless did do something - it let the player kill creatures with Protection from Red without really having to change their game plan. What WotC failed to do was make it matter that those spells were colorless. Personally, if I were designing a new set that featured Devoid I'd really take that as a challenge.

Well, what are the other design possibilities for the mechanic? If it's just that it gets around Protection from/Hexproof from it's just a pretty straightforward power increase because it can ignore mechanics sometimes, not a good mechanic. And filling up a set with protection and hexproof to make Devoid matter sounds miserable.

In theory you could make a set that cares a lot about the colors of your cards and then include Devoid as strong cards with a tradeoff that don't contribute to that plan. Like imagine if a Theros set had tweaked Devotion and Devoid so that your Devoid cards don't contribute to your devotion, but they'd be stronger in other ways. But while that could be an interesting design it doesn't sound particularly fun, I dunno.

The Devoid vs Colorless Matters disparity in my mind is because it feels like a really boring way to increase the amount of colorless cards in the set when they can just design a normal set and then go "ok these cards are colorless now because Devoid."

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Sceptilesolar
08/02/20 1:44:55 PM
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I don't think devoid was ever really a problem, but it was sold as a mechanic when it really wasn't. It's functionally identical to Ghostfire's colorless mana identity, but once you label it with a keyword, people expect more from it than mere labeling. I don't think it's a big fault simply because it's really not obvious that people would react that way, but basically it would have all been solved if they had found a visual symbol to use to indicate the colorless mana identity instead of keywording it.

It also only has flavor significance, for the most part, so unless it was on a setting with a heavy colorlessness theme, even colorless mana identity isn't likely to come back.

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HeroDelTiempo17
08/03/20 9:11:44 AM
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Sceptilesolar posted...
basically it would have all been solved if they had found a visual symbol to use to indicate the colorless mana identity instead of keywording it.

They did this too though! Devoid cards have a special frame! It's similar to the Eldrazi frameless cards but with a neat color pattern at the top.

https://scryfall.com/search?q=o%3Adevoid

WotC has been really into using unique frames to signify card themes since Theros so it says a lot about either their frame design, Devoid itself, or both that it's so easy to overlook.

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Sceptilesolar
08/03/20 9:20:29 AM
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There's that, but I'm really talking about the color indicators like on Pact of Negation.

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Peace___Frog
08/03/20 10:55:00 AM
#459:


holy shit

https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/august-8-2020-banned-and-restricted-announcement

Standard
Wilderness Reclamation is banned.
Growth Spiral is banned.
Teferi, Time Raveler is banned.
Cauldron Familiar is banned.

Pioneer
Inverter of Truth is banned.
Kethis, the Hidden Hand is banned.
Walking Ballista is banned.
Underworld Breach is banned.

Historic
Wilderness Reclamation is suspended.
Teferi, Time Raveler is suspended.

Brawl
Teferi, Time Raveler is banned.


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The Mana Sword
08/03/20 11:37:51 AM
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Wow. Legit did not expect that.

No idea why this wasn't done with the bans a few weeks ago, but maybe standard will be good for a change.

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HeroDelTiempo17
08/03/20 12:10:57 PM
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Holy shit that was so fast. I expected the deck to get banned but I thought I had a week or two lol

Guess I'm making Sultai Field now

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pjbasis
08/03/20 12:13:06 PM
#462:


oh holy fuck

Cauldron familiar might be the biggest deal because that isn't even rotating!

Bah! Missed out on a wildcard cause they did it immediately too!

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The Mana Sword
08/03/20 12:15:19 PM
#463:


Even without Growth Spiral, I still think green decks are going to be a little too strong. Like, turn 3 Nissa is still on the table. But it's only for another month and a half, so I'm cautiously optimistic I won't want to quit Arena after one match in the Standard queue anymore.

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pjbasis
08/03/20 12:20:22 PM
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I still think stompy is better off without nissa and the creature rampers.

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BlackDra90n
08/03/20 12:30:02 PM
#465:


Wow that's a crazy ban. Didn't think they were gonna pull the trigger so close to rotation.

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GildedFool
08/03/20 12:56:10 PM
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You say that like the legend rule hasn't been changed more times than every other rule in the game combined. Which iteration of the legend rule do you want to go back to?

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banananor
08/03/20 2:55:23 PM
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what a hilariously late ban. can't say i hate it

on the other hand, i think something's wrong with me- the slurping sound my opponent's dog pets make is starting to get on my nerves

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Peace___Frog
08/03/20 2:56:17 PM
#469:


no that's valid af

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HeroDelTiempo17
08/03/20 3:55:39 PM
#470:


The Mana Sword posted...
Even without Growth Spiral, I still think green decks are going to be a little too strong. Like, turn 3 Nissa is still on the table. But it's only for another month and a half, so I'm cautiously optimistic I won't want to quit Arena after one match in the Standard queue anymore.

You can actually play counterspells now so there's that

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MoogleKupo141
08/03/20 9:28:05 PM
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of course back then planeswalkers werent legendary and had their own planeswalker uniqueness rule, so there has never actually been a time in the game that playing a Teferi would have destroyed an opponents Teferi
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The Mana Sword
08/03/20 9:41:18 PM
#474:


nah, the walker rule used to work that way

people used to play 3 mana jace as a way to kill mind sculptors back in old standard

edit: its changed a few times. M14 made it so your walkers didnt conflict with opponents walkers. Ixalan made it so it matched the legend rule

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MoogleKupo141
08/03/20 9:43:32 PM
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oh yeah, I was wrong. The page I was looking at only showed the pre-Ixalan version of the rule and didnt mention it had been changed before that.
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pjbasis
08/03/20 10:19:03 PM
#476:


UltimaterializerX posted...
Teferi wouldnt be a problem if they would revert the idiotic change that was made to the legend rule.

Bruh the solution to a problem card shouldn't be having to play that card yourself. That's the definition of degenerate.

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MoogleKupo141
08/03/20 10:31:18 PM
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oh yeah, my mistake about the old rules aside, I still dont think that reverting the rule would solve anything.

Was encouraging people to play a different Jace just to counteract JTMS a good thing?
The rule didnt even solve Jace, right? they still had to ban him and didnt unban him in modern until after the rule had changed. Is there a different planeswalker you think the old rule successfully kept in check?

I wasnt tuned in to the game during this period (I had stopped playing as a kid for some reason after Kamigawa and didnt pick up the game again until New Phyrexia), so I admit I dont really know what it was like at the time.
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ChichiriMuyo
08/04/20 5:33:02 AM
#478:


Apparently some Temur Rec players aren't giving up their pet deck. Just played someone with grazer and nissa for expansion//explosion.

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masterplum
08/04/20 8:02:20 PM
#479:


Been playing W/B Yorion Rats

deck is still good.

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ChichiriMuyo
08/07/20 2:21:02 AM
#480:


Playing Doom Foretold gets you put on a terrorist watch list.

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BlackDra90n
08/07/20 10:21:31 AM
#482:


I was hoping my LGS would do a Double Masters draft for the release weekend for the Wrath of God promo but they're not doing events for the forseeable future. Don't think I can get enough people together myself to do one either.

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pjbasis
08/07/20 1:48:29 PM
#483:


UltimaterializerX posted...
The actual definition of degenerate is when there is no relevant counter or second best, and thats when stuff gets banned.

Right like Teferi even if the legend rule worked like it used to.

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pjbasis
08/10/20 4:45:43 PM
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ChichiriMuyo
08/10/20 4:53:13 PM
#486:


Stompy gets out of control pretty easily and no one wants to be on the receiving end of that.

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HeroDelTiempo17
08/10/20 6:17:56 PM
#487:


Some pretty spicy additions in Amonkhet Remastered coming to Arena. Sphinx's Rev, Wrath of God, Collected Company, Thoughtseize!

I for one would love to jam CoCo in Historic, though I dont know if the CMC 3 or less creature pool is good enough yet. Being able to hit Uro and Rhonas is value and Elves probably makes use of it at least.

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The Mana Sword
08/10/20 6:24:53 PM
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ChichiriMuyo
08/10/20 7:46:33 PM
#489:


What's interesting to me (at least right now) is what's not in the set. Other than Liliana, Death Wielder, Nicol Bolas, the Deceiver, and Fraying Sanity they all seem to be bulk rares. There may be a couple I'd play for fun or might have some use in draft (but again, they're rares), but nothing looks like it'd really be missed from Historic.


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banananor
08/14/20 1:58:38 PM
#490:


do you all ever completely misinterpret what the art on cards is supposed to be of? particularly when you've only seen them from across the table? today i learned that, according to my brain

Hired Poisoner was a snake
Fervent Champion was a riding a beetle, not a horse

there have to be a bunch more that i'm not aware of


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Peace___Frog
08/14/20 2:07:06 PM
#491:


On Arena I couldn't tell that the Farfinder from ikoria had a fox in the picture, and I could not for the life of me figure out why this woman was a non-human card.

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pjbasis
08/14/20 2:44:04 PM
#492:


I always forget that wildborn preserver is not a fox but an elf riding the fox

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masterplum
08/14/20 8:11:22 PM
#493:


7-1 in Amonkhet remastered

Jace is good

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BlackDra90n
08/17/20 7:07:02 PM
#495:


Whelp, I pretty much spent all the gold and gems I had on Jumpstart events in hopes of getting the basic lands that I wanted. Ended up getting four of the planeswalker ones (missing Liliana) and didn't get the Phyrexian or the mill ones.

A bit upsetting. Would've been nice to get the full planeswalker set and the Phyrexian one was the one I wanted. Hope they come out with ways to get them in the future.


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ChichiriMuyo
08/17/20 7:40:06 PM
#496:


They haven't announced anything, but they do intend to do Jumpstart again. I'd expect it to be the next time there is a lull in new products. Right now they have Amonkhet Remastered with Zendikar Rising on the horizon so plenty for people to spend on.

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pjbasis
08/21/20 3:36:14 PM
#497:


Unless Zendikar has some kind of answer or the meta shifts dramatically, Brazen Borrower is probably gonna need a banning.

It's just new Teferi.

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Peace___Frog
08/21/20 3:44:10 PM
#498:


What makes brazen borrower so much better than other instant speed bounce spells? Is the fact that it has an optional 3/1 body attached that big of a deal?

I've been wondering ever since I started played a couple years ago why other bounce spells aren't super popular since they seem really strong for tempo to my untrained eye.

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pjbasis
08/21/20 3:53:53 PM
#499:


It doesn't put them down a card which is usually what's bad about bounce.

I mean I could just be pissed I faced like 10 brazen borrowers in 3 games but

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08/21/20 4:27:36 PM
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