Poll of the Day > Do you believe that toxic masculinity is a problem?

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No.

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wwinterj25 posted...

No.

why do you think this?

I think men becoming more feminine is a problem.

I have no idea what that is, ok?

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Fourth wave feminism is the problem.

CwebbMichSac4 posted...

why do you think this?

... because most folk these days are all in touch with their feelings and most don't care.

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What are examples of toxic masculinity?

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I dunno.

When I was 9 my dad was out having a fish fry behind his pickup in the front yard with his friends. I am in the front yard. He sees me walk out and I throw some peanuts on the ground. A yearling squirrel com me s down and helps himself. My dad sees this and motions to his friends to watch. What you doing over there boy. Just sitting here eating some peanuts with my friend pete. He sees the squirrel eating another. He gpes in the house and grabs a shotgun and blast poor pete who was just six feet from me. He then skins it, cooks it and forces me to eat it under the threat of I would end up worse than pete. I didn't eat at first as I was crying. He punches me in the gut and a relch. He lets me stop heaving and then says "I told you te eat boy". I ate more poor friend pete the squirrel while my dad lectured me that wild life doesnt make pets and that I should never make friends below my station. It was inferior and thats why it died and he did not. He will not raise an inferior son.

Ah the memories and this was not bull my dad was a mean drunk

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"Toxic Masculinity" is only toxic when mismanaged, otherwise it's the source of our performance.
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@kind9 read the above post

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ScritchOwl posted...

I dunno.

When I was 9 my dad was out having a fish fry behind his pickup in the front yard with his friends. I am in the front yard. He sees me walk out and I throw some peanuts on the ground. A yearling squirrel com me s down and helps himself. My dad sees this and motions to his friends to watch. What you doing over there boy. Just sitting here eating some peanuts with my friend pete. He sees the squirrel eating another. He gpes in the house and grabs a shotgun and blast poor pete who was just six feet from me. He then skins it, cooks it and forces me to eat it under the threat of I would end up worse than pete. I didn't eat at first as I was crying. He punches me in the gut and a relch. He lets me stop heaving and then says "I told you te eat boy". I ate more poor friend pete the squirrel while my dad lectured me that wild life doesnt make pets and that I should never make friends below my station. It was inferior and thats why it died and he did not. He will not raise an inferior son.

Ah the memories and this was not bull my dad was a mean drunk

How is that anything to do with masculinity? That's just straight hillbilly shit.
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ScritchOwl posted...

I dunno.

When I was 9 my dad was out having a fish fry behind his pickup in the front yard with his friends. I am in the front yard. He sees me walk out and I throw some peanuts on the ground. A yearling squirrel com me s down and helps himself. My dad sees this and motions to his friends to watch. What you doing over there boy. Just sitting here eating some peanuts with my friend pete. He sees the squirrel eating another. He gpes in the house and grabs a shotgun and blast poor pete who was just six feet from me. He then skins it, cooks it and forces me to eat it under the threat of I would end up worse than pete. I didn't eat at first as I was crying. He punches me in the gut and a relch. He lets me stop heaving and then says "I told you te eat boy". I ate more poor friend pete the squirrel while my dad lectured me that wild life doesnt make pets and that I should never make friends below my station. It was inferior and thats why it died and he did not. He will not raise an inferior son.

Ah the memories and this was not bull my dad was a mean drunk

lmao, that's great

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ScritchOwl posted...

Maybe in a way toxic masculinity in a way facilitates fanaticism as it puts you in a mind set you no longer question out of fear of punishment or ridicule

That's just abuse in general.
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ScritchOwl posted...

I dunno I saw this cartoon a few years later and kinda drew some parallels in what my dad said

Warning: this was an anti nazi cartoon done by disney some imagery may be questionable to others

https://youtu.be/6vLrTNKk89Q

Maybe in a way toxic masculinity in a way facilitates fanaticism as it puts you in a mind set you no longer question out of fear of punishment or ridicule

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CaptainStrong posted...

Fourth wave feminism is the problem.

Which one is fourth wave, again?

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Absolutely yes. Boys/Men should have the opportunity to explore themselves without the fear of ridicule.

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PKMNsony posted...

I think men becoming more feminine is a problem.

The only people who have a 'problem' with men being feminine instead of masculine... Are are gay men who are attracted to masc men

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Yes, definitely.

There is a difference between masculinity and toxic masculinity, and as you can expect the one with "toxic" in its name is bad.

Pus_N_Pecans posted...

Absolutely yes. Boys/Men should have the opportunity to explore themselves without the fear of ridicule.

https://youtu.be/eSMeUPFjQHc

I believe this fits the them of your post

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kind9 posted...

What are examples of toxic masculinity?

This might sound silly but I remember something my friend told me a while ago. My friend is no longer like this, but one year for thanksgiving he bullied his brother because he didn't like thanksgiving food. The reason he bullied him over it was because that was "mans food" and he should eat it.

So, people are free to like whatever food they want. I think it's kinda toxic to bully somebody over their food choices and how they aren't manly.

Clench281 posted...

The only people who have a 'problem' with men being feminine instead of masculine... Are are gay men who are attracted to masc men

Or the very definition of the sorts of people who are the perpetrators of toxic masculinity.

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Clench281 posted...

The only people who have a 'problem' with men being feminine instead of masculine... Are are gay men who are attracted to masc men

Which as it happens, is most gay men, as people attracted to men generally like manliness.

I think people mistake becoming androgynous for becoming feminine, but it's not like that's good either. Unmasculine men aren't taking advantage of their natural traits to improve.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

Unmasculine men aren't taking advantage of their natural traits to improve.

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wwinterj25 posted...

I mean you're not even trying to compete with your peers and make gainful employment.
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Pus_N_Pecans posted...

Or the very definition of the sorts of people who are the perpetrators of toxic masculinity.

Well to be fair nature has shown not only humans have multitiered the male gender

Cuttlefish have females males that pretend to be females when males are around so they can mate with the female while the male mates with feminine male.

Dont google that though as that is a fetish for humans too.

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Kyuubi4269 posted...

I mean you're not even trying to compete with your peers and make gainful employment.

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what? he's saying you don't work?

Kyuubi4269 posted...

. Unmasculine men aren't taking advantage of their natural traits to improve.

What a bizarre thing to consider a virtue

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CwebbMichSac4 posted...

what? he's saying you don't work?

Thanks for that. I'd have never have decoded that cryptic message otherwise.

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Usually whatever can be attributed to "Toxic Masculinity" is just someone acting like a jerk who also happens to be male.

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you're on disability or something?

Clench281 posted...

What a bizarre thing to consider a virtue

How is it not virtuous to seek self-improvement?
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CwebbMichSac4 posted...

you're on disability or something?

Something and that's not at all relevant to this topic.

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Pus_N_Pecans posted...

Or the very definition of the sorts of people who are the perpetrators of toxic masculinity.

Pretty much. If you think "don't do this toxic thing" is telling men to be less manly and consider that to be a bad thing, then you're promoting toxic behaviour as being masculine. That's the definition of "toxic masculinity." That attitude constitutes the entirety of the problem.

argonautweakend posted...

Yes, definitely.

There is a difference between masculinity and toxic masculinity, and as you can expect the one with "toxic" in its name is bad.

What? You mean it doesn't mean "all masculinity is toxic"? And here I thought adjectives functioned completely differently from how they usually work in this one specific phrase for no particular reason. Silly me.

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By its very definition yes, the toxic part is what makes it problematic, but "toxic" anything is problematic.

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Nichtcrawler X posted...

By its very definition yes, the toxic part is what makes it problematic, but "toxic" anything is problematic.

Imperfect air is problematic, but if it's only mildly imperfect and not getting worse, would you consider it a toxic air problem? As far as I'm concerned there are cases of people being toxic using their masculine traits, but it's minimal and stagnant so I have a hard time considering "toxic masculinity" as a thing.
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Also for the longest time masculinty was treated as a person having one particular body build. Guess what it still is. https://www.mcser.org/journal/index.php/mjss/article/viewFile/684/712

That studiy had been dispproven so hard but its still in the zeitgheist of human being. Your only a man if you look like a man. If your androgynous your an ecto morph which means your a coke addled coward. If your an endomorph your lazy and and lie. If our an mesomorph your gods gift to woman as you are perfect and can do no wrong.

This basically causes the nonmesomorphs to try to act like how they see the mesomorph depicted as a form of emulation. Toxic masculinty sneaks in as it becomes that those of less physicality to try to fake it and push the weak down to make themselves look stronger even for a moment.

The mesomorphs think they have to love up to the marboro man and how society percieves them so when one wants to garden flowers he has to call it domestic agriculture or say he is a farmer. If he says he grows orchids or roses he is called a pansy and his sexuality is taken into question for stepping outside the ideal

Example rock singing moana songs two his two year old girl is called a bunch of homophobic slurs when he is just simply being a good father. Again jealousy to make someome feel better they attack.

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Kyuubi4269 posted...

How is it not virtuous to seek self-improvement?

That's not the issue. You're specifying what needs 'improvement' for other people, instead of letting people choose what they want to improve

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Clench281 posted...

That's not the issue. You're specifying what needs 'improvement' for other people, instead of letting people choose what they want to improve

He's choosing nothing, and that's a problem. Another perk of masculinity is pushing eachother to improve, not stagnate.
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Heck at this rate if you're not a bodybuilder/powerlifter with a PhD you might as well be considered a failure of a human being, If we're applying these standards on all men

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Nichtcrawler X posted...

By its very definition yes, the toxic part is what makes it problematic, but "toxic" anything is problematic.

This too.

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PKMNsony posted...

I think men becoming more feminine is a problem.

100%

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No more than toxic femininity. The problem is that there are a lot of feminists and simps who try to pass ANY masculinity as toxic masculinity.

Well, we've seen how much standards those people have... *cough* Alyssa Milano *cough*.


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ninja_lootz posted...

100%

why do you think that's a big problem?

Judgmenl posted...

I have no idea what that is, ok?

I think it's one of those social media things that snowflakes worry about, between tofu burgers and power yoga.

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dancer62 posted...

I think it's one of those social media things that snowflakes worry about.

um

the only snowflakes I see in here are those that are so fragile / worried about how other men portray themselves


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It's a societal/cultural issue that largely harms men, pushing the message that "real" men shouldn't cry. A man will be automatically assumed to be the perpetrator of domestic abuse because of the belief that men are always the aggressors. A man having the skills to simply take care of himself via cooking, cleaning, grooming is looked down upon as being "feminine" despite the fact that they're basic life skills that everyone should have. These are some toxic ideas of masculinity, and fighting against these concepts has lead to some positive cultural shifts where these harmful ideas are slowly phasing out, though it'll be a while before it stops being the "standard" way of thinking.

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AuroraSilverain posted...

It's a societal/cultural issue that largely harms men, pushing the message that "real" men shouldn't cry.

The argument for that is mighty grey as it's a good thing to say in the context of things you can cope with. Small children often don't realise when they get a scrape that it's a big deal until their parents get in a panic. The crying is there when looking for help, so if you're in a situation you can deal with, what help are you expecting? Real men should be capable so men crying in situations where they should be able to help themselves isn't what a real man does.

AuroraSilverain posted...

A man will be automatically assumed to be the perpetrator of domestic abuse because of the belief that men are always the aggressors.

Or that women shouldn't be violent. Toxic femininity, presenting women as unwilling to attack others and so inherently the one who needs assistance.

AuroraSilverain posted...

A man having the skills to simply take care of himself via cooking, cleaning, grooming is looked down upon as being "feminine" despite the fact that they're basic life skills that everyone should have.

I don't think that's part of toxic masculinity, just classic chauvinism.
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It is a problem.
Constantly having to prove you are the manliest of men is a barbaric trait that at the end of the day gets you nothing.

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