Board 8 > Coronavirus Topic 3: Trials and Tribulations

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Ehhh, everywhere I've driven by here has at least looked slightly more empty than usual aside grocery stores.

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FFDragon posted...

See: Nero

https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1236778368533700609

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only NOW Dumbass supermarkets put a limit on Stock.

Otherwise you have crazy idiots buying out 8 packs of toilet rolls the don't need. Like seriously buy 1 or 2 you dipshit. its 12 rolls in a pack. You don't need fucking 8

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Someone found Aladdin's lamp And asked Genie to get rid of all the boomers

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i dunno man, that feels more like a monkey paw than a lamp.

and man, maybe St. Patty's means France has the right idea. don't line up to a bar you fucking idiots.

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MoogleKupo141 posted...

it sucks that im going to isolate myself like a good boy for a while and then immediately get it when I finally go outside because all these dinguses had to go to wrigleyville tonight

To be fair I'm sure you're part of the under 80yo community so might as well just live life normally. If you get it you'll be fine in a week like nothing ever happened

Unfortunately it's a holiday weekend so America is gonna America


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Those same people all probably have 10 packs of toilet paper each at home too.
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KinjiMuto_3 posted...

To be fair I'm sure you're part of the under 80yo community so might as well just live life normally. If you get it you'll be fine in a week like nothing ever happened

if you live your life normally you'll be a carrier and increase the odds that someone else who won't survive gets it. (And you also CAN die from it as a young adult; some of these dumbasses will die given the numbers).

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The dark silver lining is it will get better once everyone's had at once and realizes that its not too bad and all the old people are dead

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LordoftheMorons posted...

if you live your life normally you'll be a carrier and increase the odds that someone else who won't survive gets it. (And you also CAN die from it as a young adult; some of these dumbasses will die given the numbers).

I know no one is immune here but since my odds of death are 0.2% if I get infected I'm not losing any sleep.

I definitely wouldnt want to give it to others but at the same time I cant be assed to just live in quarantine for weeks either.

ninkendo posted...

The dark silver lining is it will get better once everyone's had at once and realizes that its not too bad and all the old people are dead

Dems might have a chance come 2020 after all

depends.
it's entirely possible it's just the old dems who'd die off, young people still wouldn't vote, and the entire country goes red.


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Thread

https://twitter.com/Susan_Hennessey/status/1238954823728463879

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This right here is why doing the right thing doesnt matter anymore - self quarantine yourself while half of America has this attitude theres really no point. Just live life like you always have and cross your fingers

KinjiMuto_3 posted...

I know no one is immune here but since my odds of death are 0.2% if I get infected I'm not losing any sleep.

I definitely wouldnt want to give it to others but at the same time I cant be assed to just live in quarantine for weeks either.

So are you saying if you got it you wouldn't quarantine?

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I don't get it. Maybe I'm a weirdo but so long as I had my necessities I could stay inside my apartment for a month with no big issue. I for one would welcome a mandated quarantine so long as everyone had enough food and all utilities were guaranteed to be working. It would require everyone following the law and of course that'll never happen but yeah, that's true of any law. Just because some people break the law doesn't mean you should. I mean, you don't do things that are illegal now just because others do right?
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StealThisSheen posted...

So are you saying if you got it you wouldn't quarantine?

What? No I would quarantine if I had it. I'm saying I'm not going to stop living my normal life unless I do get it. In that case I'll quarantine or whatever then resume life afterwards. No point in trying to prevent it, and no use worrying about a death rate of 0.2%

v_charon posted...

I don't get it. Maybe I'm a weirdo but so long as I had my necessities I could stay inside my apartment for a month with no big issue. I for one would welcome a mandated quarantine so long as everyone had enough food and all utilities were guaranteed to be working. It would require everyone following the law and of course that'll never happen but yeah, that's true of any law. Just because some people break the law doesn't mean you should. I mean, you don't do things that are illegal now just because others do right?

I dunno after a few days wouldnt you go stir crazy? I'm definitely not staying inside for say 30 days - government regulated or not.

LordoftheMorons posted...

https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1236778368533700609

So close to self-awareness.

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There are boundless things to do inside your home, I'm not sure what there is to go crazy over. Granted I do live with someone so that probably would alleviate any yearning for human contact there would be if we were both quarantined for ever how long. But there's games, music, movies and shows. Literally endless entertainment; honestly, I think it'd be a great idea and would support a full lockdown. It would get this over with a lot faster so everyone could go with normal life, and I'd probably really enjoy the time where I didn't have to head out to work.
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v_charon posted...

I don't get it. Maybe I'm a weirdo but so long as I had my necessities I could stay inside my apartment for a month with no big issue. I for one would welcome a mandated quarantine so long as everyone had enough food and all utilities were guaranteed to be working. It would require everyone following the law and of course that'll never happen but yeah, that's true of any law. Just because some people break the law doesn't mean you should. I mean, you don't do things that are illegal now just because others do right?

going to the extreme in the opposite direction is no good either, you're essentially asking for martial law. there's also a long term effect here where you're allowing government to do this to its citizens, which should be incredibly alarming, especially if it's being done without the use of wartime powers.

if government needs to get involved, doing so with the way France did is superior to this - limiting non-essential places. that's especially the case for bars or places serving alcohol, which our government can limit directly. cinema is acting on its own, limiting to half the size for extra space and extra cleanings. restaurants aren't as big a concern. it's mostly bars.

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v_charon posted...

There are boundless things to do inside your home, I'm not sure what there is to go crazy over. Granted I do live with someone so that probably would alleviate any yearning for human contact there would be if we were both quarantined for ever how long. But there's games, music, movies and shows. Literally endless entertainment; honestly, I think it'd be a great idea and would support a full lockdown. It would get this over with a lot faster so everyone could go with normal life, and I'd probably really enjoy the time where I didn't have to head out to work.

My question is what if this only worked for the duration of the lockdown? After a month and say 80% of the population avoiding the virus, we let everyone back out. People go right back to sneezing in each other's food, licking subway poles, being all kinds of nasty. Now we just prolonged this whole fiasco and it starts anew for everyone who never got infected yet? Since theres no way to be 100% sure after 30ndays it's just gone.

Reverse plan why not just let people go about daily life and once everyone has had the virus and 97% recover from it we just move on as a society and try to learn from it and fix parts of our broken healthcare system. No matter what we do people are going to continue dying unfortunately

The more idiots refuse to voluntarily distance the worse it will get and the more restrictive government action will end up being. If hospitals are being overwhelmed there's no way governments are going to let things continue going on as usual.

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I'm operating under an imagined perfect scenario where there's no evil or injustice involved, and it was honestly all for the greater good of everyone. It isn't likely to happen in this country in any sort of fashion regardless, it's just an imagined scenario which would fix everything if everyone involved just bought into it. It doesn't have a real world application.
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v_charon posted...

honestly, I think it'd be a great idea and would support a full lockdown.

hard no to that.
you were just complaining in the last topic about how "a little hysteria isn't bad" was said, wanting people to stop pressing the panic button, and are recommending one of the most hysterical scenarios where government imposes a full lockdown on its citizens.

you're not making sense.
you cannot hold that position and say people are panicking too much or being hysterical, your recommendation is as extreme as it gets.

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KinjiMuto_3 posted...

Reverse plan why not just let people go about daily life and once everyone has had the virus and 97% recover from it we just move on as a society and try to learn from it and fix parts of our broken healthcare system. No matter what we do people are going to continue dying unfortunately

"Eh, we can't 100% stop it so we should just not bother to try at all" is a really bad argument

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It was just a response to "I cant be assed to just live in quarantine for weeks either" said just a few posts above, just stating that I wouldn't personally see any issue with it and found it weird anyone would have a problem with it, if they had to since it read that he'd be stir crazy with a few weeks of quarantine, milk freezer.

Also I literally just said it has no real world application.
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you did literally say it has no real world application.
you also literally said that you think it's a great idea to have a full lockdown.

even if you try to add on "in an ideal world," you're asking for a situation where the government forces people to stay home. in such a situation you cannot also hold the position that people are panicking too much or being too hysterical because your ideal setting is one where government's reaction is the most hysterical one possible.

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https://twitter.com/BrookeGMcDonald/status/1238986272137502720

JFC

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I can hold the position because one is set in a fantasy realm which I know won't come to pass and the other is set in the real world where people are and have already acted like complete, selfish morons.
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no, the position doesn't work because the internal logic doesn't work, not because of a fantasy setting.

if the government is looking at a situation and deciding to take one of the most hysterical option possible, then it means that said situation is one where the populace would be correct to treat it as such.

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Reverse plan why not just let people go about daily life and once everyone has had the virus and 97% recover from it we just move on as a society and try to learn from it and fix parts of our broken healthcare system. No matter what we do people are going to continue dying unfortunately

you just sort of casually suggested we let 3% of the population die from this

thats a lot of dead people
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KinjiMuto_3 posted...

Reverse plan why not just let people go about daily life and once everyone has had the virus and 97% recover from it we just move on as a society and try to learn from it and fix parts of our broken healthcare system. No matter what we do people are going to continue dying unfortunately

our healthcare system would be broken with that 97% too considering you're looking at a good 30% with permanent lung damage and a variety of other new health conditions that we aren't prepared for.

especially after you get, among that 97% recovered, up to 14% reinfected, need to do the whole thing again, and said reinfected are at a much higher risk of death due to the damage the first go around.

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What's 3+% of the population in exchange for him not having to stay inside for a few weeks

Fair trade, right?

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Hysteria is categorized by high levels of exaggeration of the situation and the uncontrollable response given to it as a result. It isn't about how extreme of a measure you think it is, it's a lot more about the way in which that measure is carried out. If everyone decided tonight that the right thing to do was self-quarantine, since logically speaking if 100% of people did this the virus would be defeated within a few weeks, that wouldn't qualify as "hysterical" because it would consist of a calm and measured response to it. The only reason it wouldn't be practical is because a lot of people would give the uncontrollable response to this, acting in a way that would indeed be hysterical.

I would be okay with a quarantine because I would probably treat it as a vacation and enjoy myself. That was all I was really getting at, since it was the topic of conversation before you interjected.
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this story is unbelieveable. It's the craziest story I've seen in my entire life(9/11, y2k, fall of the soviet union 1991, 08 financial crisis) were competitors

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https://twitter.com/TVietor08/status/1239023314439307264

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LordoftheMorons posted...

https://twitter.com/TVietor08/status/1239023314439307264

man that is scary. Stay inside guys

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v_charon posted...

If everyone decided tonight that the right thing to do was self-quarantine

that's not what you said.
you said a mandated quarantine.
you said a full lockdown.
and you established it for a group, not you specifically.

this is not a self done action, this is government action, and this is in a hypothetical using the current situation of the coronavirus. that's why i interjected. you can do what you want. if everyone decided to be responsible, that's fine. ...but that's not what you said was a great idea, you said government forcing people to stay inside is a great idea. you've also said people are panicking too much and being against hysteria. and both of these positions are being held against the current situation of the coronavirus.

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MoogleKupo141 posted...

you just sort of casually suggested we let 3% of the population die from this

thats a lot of dead people

I'm just saying the way things are looking any and all efforts to stop this thing will be futile so there's not really a point to this limited half assed "maybe some of you self quarantine if you want to" plan the government has. As mentioned above they cant Marshall law this into existence so our other option is just well... let it ride basically

Tough times ahead either way

Pick it apart dude, I'm telling you literally what I meant and you keep on going anyway.
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LordoftheMorons posted...

https://twitter.com/TVietor08/status/1239023314439307264

this is another point: people keep thinking mild means mild like the cold. that's wrong.

it could mean that.
it could also mean everything up to organ failure because when we say "mild" we're using what the Chinese called "mild," which included permanent damage to various organs.

so your range of mild is "get over it in 2 weeks" to "permanent scarring in the lungs and incapable of having children because corona caught my nuts."

a lot of young people don't understand that and i do blame media not putting enough pressure on exactly what that term means here.

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v_charon posted...

Pick it apart dude, I'm telling you literally what I meant and you keep on going anyway.

i mean you're explicitly changing what you said so of course, you're backtracking from it completely.

before you said mandated quarantines for everyone, said you support full lockdowns on everyone, and are now flipping it to just something you would personally do, which isn't objectionable at all.

also, you don't think you're the only person with that opinion, do you? it's basically what china worked with for their lockdown and they've got propaganda in papers already.

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Wanglicious posted...

i mean you're explicitly changing what you said so of course, you're backtracking from it completely.

before you said mandated quarantines for everyone, said you support full lockdowns on everyone, and are now flipping it to just something you would personally do, which isn't objectionable at all

I'm not. And once again, only in a world that's a fantasy. As in, everyone would treat it and feel the same as I do about it, hence why I said it has no real world application because not everyone would feel the same way about it as me.

Wanglicious posted...

also, you don't think you're the only person with that opinion, do you? it's basically what china worked with for their lockdown and they've got propaganda in papers already.

Never once implied I was a revolutionary. This will be my last response for you on this since you're taking it to making implications about me that I definitely never implied.
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v_charon posted...

I'm not. And once again, only in a world that's a fantasy. As in, everyone would treat it and feel the same as I do about it, hence why I said it has no real world application because not everyone would feel the same way about it as me.

man, you really are adding a lot of caveats to this fantasy of yours without actually engaging with the one, critical point that matters: government is taking this situation and deciding full lockdown, mandated quarantines, over the time period of a month, meaning people would be correct to treat it as such so none of the current acts would be particularly hysterical or absurd, they'd be completely sensible choices.

this ain't adding implications. this is taking your words here and throwing back words you said over the past two days to point out the cognitive dissonance, which your solution seems to be adding more and more clauses instead of "yeah, mandated quarantines and full lockdowns are a bad idea even in this weird hypothetical."

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Ok I have a question

If everyone isolates blah blah blah, how exactly does the virus go away? Is it just human transmitted and not surface transmitted so if it lacks the amount of people to infect it eventually goes away? or is this just being hopeful. explain it to me kthx

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MegamanX posted...

Ok I have a question

If everyone isolates blah blah blah, how exactly does the virus go away? Is it just human transmitted and not surface transmitted so if it lacks the amount of people to infect it eventually goes away? or is this just being hopeful. explain it to me kthx

By limiting exposure, people are exposed to the virus at a slower rate, so the health care system is less overwhelmed and fewer people die.

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MegamanX posted...

Ok I have a question

If everyone isolates blah blah blah, how exactly does the virus go away? Is it just human transmitted and not surface transmitted so if it lacks the amount of people to infect it eventually goes away? or is this just being hopeful. explain it to me kthx

a) If you can get the average number of people each person infects below 1, it will eventually die out on its own (faster the further below 1 you can get it). In a scenario where we've largely failed this will be helped by herd immunity (i.e. the number of people you're infecting is proportional to the number of uninfected people you're interacting with).

b) Hold out until a vaccine is developed (probably 1-1.5 years)

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