Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 280: Sleepy Joe Gets Woke

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Dude I dont know how many times I need to say this, but in 2016 he did not stutter every 2 minutes like he does now.

How much someone stutters can change.

But yes, stuttering does not make one say they were arrested in South Africa trying to see Nelson Mandela.

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

@LordoftheMorons

https://twitter.com/attractivegiri/status/1236121921781145602?s=21

Listen to how eloquent and charming he is here.

I dont think hes said a single sentence this well the entire 2020 campaign.

Starting at 1:19 he's clearly stuttering even in this 2016 clip

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

But surely even the most diehard Biden supporters recognize that the debates are going to be embarrassing as hell if he wins, right?

I think ive mentioned it before but aside the very first debate he's been fairly solid.

I attributed it to the right combination of PEDs.

(and again at minimum every candidate is likely taking Adderall for them)

i swear this topic just needs to have some of this on repeat.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07w9K2XR3f0


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LordoftheMorons posted...

Were you bringing up this point a few months ago when it didnt look extremely likely that Biden was going to be the nominee? Maybe consider that youre the one using motivated reasoning.

Dude, if the roles were reversed and it was Bernie who clearly had dementia, I'd be saying that Biden is probably the stronger candidate against Trump even though his policies are the same neoliberal garbage that got Trump elected. And that the Dems should elect him since Bernie is senile.

It's not that hard to admit the obvious.

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LordoftheMorons posted...

Starting at 1:19 he's clearly stuttering even in this 2016 clip

Good, so you can see the difference between that and how he is now!

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Outdebating Trump doesn't take much.

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LotM, you're in complete denial if you think literally everything can be explained by a stutter

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TheRock1525 posted...

Outdebating Trump doesn't take much.

It does, actually. Trump is not held to the same standards as other people are.

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Now, I do disagree on the idea that it will ruin him in November because people just aren't gonna care and will say their side won the debates regardless, but to deny there's an issue there at all is just asinine

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StealThisSheen posted...

LotM, you're in complete denial if you think literally everything can be explained by a stutter

I dont think everything is a stutter. Saying 150 million instead of 150 thousand people died from guns, for example, is just a run of the mill fuckup. But non-experts diagnosing someone with dementia from their tv screens is just ridiculous.

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KamikazePotato posted...

It does, actually. Trump is not held to the same standards as other people are.

Hillary actually turned a pretty decent swing with the debates actually m

https://twitter.com/chrisjollyhale/status/1236440817692221440?s=19

I have no idea how you hold a rally in Flint and get nothing but white people.

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Yeah, I think progressives who say Biden is guaranteed to lose to Trump in November are also wrong. Trump is unpopular for an incumbent despite his adoration among the Republican base. Hillary was so deeply unpopular among all Americans that she was just an exceptional case, and Biden likely has an advantage in comparison. But running a guy with clear dementia is not the smartest way to win an election.

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Back in coronavirus news, the Trump admin overruled the CDCs recommendation that elderly people be discouraged from flying:

https://apnews.com/921ad7f1f08d7634bf681ba785faf269

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Imagine a topic where instead of people on both sides constantly posting tweets to take pot shots at the other side, we all joined together

and constantly posted tweets to take pot shots at Tulsi

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StealThisSheen posted...

Imagine a topic where instead of people on both sides constantly posting tweets to take pot shots at the other side, we all joined together

and constantly posted tweets to take pot shots at Tulsi

Hey Im all in for dunking on Tulsi

Speaking which the debate rules have come out and she did not qualify.

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She has to appear on Tucker Carlson to remain relevant.

She has suffered enough.

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Biden does not have dementia.

Been around plenty of old people that have and haven't had various mental illnesses and there is a huge gap in what classifies dementia or alzheimers and what is simply a mental mistake.

(forgetting a token number of things is not dementia)

StartTheMachine posted...

But running a guy with clear dementia is not the smartest way to win an election.

But Trump won.

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LordoftheMorons posted...

Hey Im all in for dunking on Tulsi

Speaking which the debate rules have come out and she did not qualify.

...actually maybe its still mathematically possible if she sweeps Tuesdays delegates (the requirement is 20% of the currently allocated delegates; not sure what fraction are up that day).

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Tulsi should debate Trump if she's not invited to the DNC debate.

Biden has always been a gaffe machine, it was part of his "charm"! and tbqh he has already peaked in that regard.

nothing he has done in this primary approaches the all-timer of asking a guy in a wheelchair to stand-up

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Yeah Tulsi just needs like, what, 85% of every state this Tuesday?

She's totally still in this

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Tulsimania gonna run wild.

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xp1337 posted...

Biden has always been a gaffe machine, it was part of his "charm"! and tbqh he has already peaked in that regard.

nothing he has done in this primary approaches the all-timer of asking a guy in a wheelchair to stand-up

Totally forgot about that

Which B8er asked a blind girl to the movies? Menji maybe?

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LordoftheMorons posted...

...actually maybe its still mathematically possible if she sweeps Tuesdays delegates (the requirement is 20% of the currently allocated delegates; not sure what fraction are up that day).

1397 delegates have been allocated already. 371 are up before 3/15 (most on the 10th but Northern Mariana Islands has 6 up on the 14th!) So 1768 delegates will have been allocated by the debate. You would need 354 to be above 20%. Gabbard has 2 atm. So she just needs 352/371 of those delegates. 94.9% nbd.

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KamikazePotato posted...

It does, actually. Trump is not held to the same standards as other people are.

Neither is Biden.

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xp1337 posted...

1397 delegates have been allocated already. 371 are up before 3/15 (most on the 10th but Northern Mariana Islands has 6 up on the 14th!) So 1768 delegates will have been allocated by the debate. You would need 354 to be above 20%. Gabbard has 2 atm. So she just needs 352/371 of those delegates. 94.9% nbd.

She would have been able to do it if only Hillary Clinton hadn't been conspiring against her...!

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Warren in the SNL opener heh, gotta smile with her up there with Kate McKinnon

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And she could have overcome Hillary conspiring against her if the DNC wasn't so racist against people of color being on the debate stage!

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Grimlyn posted...

Warren in the SNL opener heh, gotta smile with her up there with Kate McKinnon

Gotta smile through the pain

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TheRock1525 posted...

But Trump won.

This is actually the point I've made when people tell me Biden can't beat Trump! But let's be real, Corn Pop is a bad dude and Trump is not quite at the same level of mental decline. Hopefully Trump actually does back out of the debates, even if it is against Biden.

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Honestly, the Corn Pop story turning out to be true was the most shook I've been this whole primary season.

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LordoftheMorons posted...

Totally forgot about that

Which B8er asked a blind girl to the movies? Menji maybe?

yes , Definitely Menji
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https://twitter.com/bobby/status/1236349383890931713?s=21

Blows my mind that people not only respect this person but downright worship someone so vindictive.

Literally gave a speech at the DNC talking about how awesome Bernie is, wrote him a personal letter praising and thanking him.

But cant keep his damn name out of her friend of Weinstein/Epstein/Kissinger-ass mouth.

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Also heres something funny/telling. She attacked him for not having a real job until he was 41 which was about when he was elected Mayor.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/03/photos-bernie-sanders-resume-as-mayor-of-burlington-vermont.html

He graduated college and then had a bunch of real jobs, all the while he was doing activism as well.

Sort of spills the beans about her feelings about the working class/grassroots activists, huh?


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Harris:

https://twitter.com/kamalaharris/status/1236622740930560001?s=21

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Saturday Night Live:

https://twitter.com/nbcsnl/status/1236515663587487745

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TheRock1525 posted...

I have no idea how you hold a rally in Flint and get nothing but white people.

I have no idea how you support segregation in the 1970's. But I digress.

Bernie attacks Biden: "HOW DARE HE ATTACK THE PRESUMPTIVE NOMINEE! ITS HIS FAULT IF WE LOSE!"
Biden attacks Bernie: "YEAH! BIDENS RIGHT! WOOO!"

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Attacks on policy or decisions are fair game. Attacking Joe on his Iraq vote? Sure. Attack Hillary on trade? I disagree, but fine. Calling Joe senile or Hillary corrupt? Cant really take those back in the general.

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...but Hillary is corrupt

Just less so than Trump
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okay, i want to be clear that i'm not commenting on the validity of either claim but if your argument against those things is "you cant take them back in the general" then uhh...what? do you honestly think no one on trumps team or the GOP would look at either candidate and *not* make those claims almost immediately?

i know i joke about having your head in the sand, but, seriously, what?

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Still fighting

:)

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If Trump calls Hillary corrupt a Dem leaning voter most likely ignores it. If Bernie says the same, theyre much more likely to take it to heart.

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Is it okay to imply that Bernie is racist with a video of him having 'mostly white supporters' at a rally?

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That's not implying he's racist.

Its implying he has little to no support among African Americans.

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https://twitter.com/abcpolitics/status/1236645015255998464?s=21

Just like I cant tell you my plan for ISIS because it would ruin the element of surprise

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the honest plan is that if you got on a cruise thank you for volunteering for being a live test in a controlled environment.

LordoftheMorons posted...

Attacks on policy or decisions are fair game. Attacking Joe on his Iraq vote? Sure. Attack Hillary on trade? I disagree, but fine. Calling Joe senile or Hillary corrupt? Cant really take those back in the general.

both of those are fair game too.
hillary is corrupt and that's something which plagues her to this day.
Joe has a lot of gaffes and acts senile often these days. some of it's due to his stutter no doubt but his age has definitely made it worse than it was a few years ago.

fact is the only reason those attacks work is because it's what people are thinking. the objection should never be on that. if you want to use hillary, it's closer to people who thought she was sick. why did they do that? because she looked sickly for a while and literally collapsed at the 9/11 memorial. maybe the former was a bad make up job, maybe not, but when she fell over and they tried to hide it, it proved what people thought. what if she had made the extra 5 steps and didn't collapse on camera? would've just been a "completely unsupported" idea. and that's all it comes down to, public perception based on how you look and act. she looked sick, people thought it, people confirmed it when she fell. he acts senile, people think it, and while nobody's confirmed it, it ain't gonna leave him.

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Dancedreamer posted...

I have no idea how you support segregation in the 1970's. But I digress.

Bernie attacks Biden: "HOW DARE HE ATTACK THE PRESUMPTIVE NOMINEE! ITS HIS FAULT IF WE LOSE!"
Biden attacks Bernie: "YEAH! BIDENS RIGHT! WOOO!"

Yes, absolutely no one has attacked Joe Biden this entire time.

The laughable part is that if Bernie was the nominee you would absolutely be saying the exact same thing because literally any criticism in this topic about Bernie is off limits. We'll get hundreds of negative Biden tweets or stories but one or two about Bernie? Oh lord have mercy how dare you criticize the dear Saint Bernie.

You get mad about demands to fall in line yet when Bernie was the front runner people in this topic were going "I can't wait to tell all these moderates to 'vote blue no matter what'."

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