Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 278: Tulsi Gets a Delegate Edition

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Super Tuesday still ongoing, and not just in terms of results. There are people still in line, and probably will be for another hour and a half in some places with long lines (lines at UCLA are projected to last until 11).

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Another dark horse VP option:

https://twitter.com/sam_rosenfeld/status/1235061706130325508

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If Tulsi actually gets to debate because she has a delegate I am going to lose my shit.

I assume they will change the rules by then to not allow that though.

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From the last topic:

I feel like with the age of the candidates involved, there's an off chance coronavirus takes out both candidates and no one wins

Or it infects both candidates, becomes sentient, and we are forced to vote it into office

https://www.tampabay.com/news/health/2020/03/03/could-vice-president-mike-pence-have-been-exposed-to-coronavirus-in-sarasota/

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KamikazePotato posted...

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If she can get seven more she'll end up with more delegates than Amy Klobuchar!

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Id love to see Tulsi in a debate just to see what she SAYS

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Id love to see Tulsi in a debate just to see what she SAYS

Every time she's been in a debate, she seems to come in not with a plan to promote herself, but with a plan to torpedo someone else.

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Id love to see Tulsi in a debate just to see what she SAYS

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At least voter turn out has been great this year, even if it isn't in Bernie's favor. Vote vote vote, people. Let's not fuck around here either way.

Although California is early looking like a bit of a saving grace.

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There will not be a progressive stronger than Sanders in...decades, probably. Even if Biden somehow does win, progressive policy is going to die a low painful death, as Dem politicians continue to move further right.

I disagree. AOC is already a household name, and she's the youngest congresswoman to be elected currently. Plus she's not well past retirement age. Plus she's got a strong social media game, and republicans are obsessed with her. A bit more experience, and I think she's a stronger candidate than Bernie. And by then a lot of the old establishment will be gone.

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https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/lgbtq-voters-flock-bernie-sanders-nbc-news-exit-poll-finds-n1149126

Bernie got 40% of the LGBT vote, with Warren in 2nd.

So basically, the Democratic Party under Biden is just old black and white straight people.

I hope thats enough.

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Dancedreamer posted...

I disagree. AOC is already a household name, and she's the youngest congresswoman to be elected currently. Plus she's not well past retirement age. Plus she's got a strong social media game, and republicans are obsessed with her. A bit more experience, and I think she's a stronger candidate than Bernie. And by then a lot of the old establishment will be gone.

Dancedreamer posted...

I disagree. AOC is already a household name, and she's the youngest congresswoman to be elected currently. Plus she's not well past retirement age. Plus she's got a strong social media game, and republicans are obsessed with her. A bit more experience, and I think she's a stronger candidate than Bernie. And by then a lot of the old establishment will be gone.

Also this is very true. AOC is all Bernie's messaging but a woman of color. She's democrats wet dream.

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I told you, Kamikaze, that you are a lock Dem vote. This is why what you want for the party doesn't matter. For a whole 4 hours you convinced yourself you weren't.

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Damn I no longer remember how to embed gifs here.

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Whoever Biden's eventual VP is, I already am disappointed with them because they're not going to be Obama

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Also I'd really like to see Republicans try to say AOC is both 'just a bartender' and 'not someone who is for the working class'

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Dancedreamer posted...

Also I'd really like to see Republicans try to say AOC is both 'just a bartender' and 'not someone who is for the working class'

I mean, from what I've seen Republicans don't really care about contradicting themselves constantly, at least when it comes to AOC.

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metroid composite posted...

Every time she's been in a debate, she seems to come in not with a plan to promote herself, but with a plan to torpedo someone else.

Let's see her demolish Biden.

Honestly, after the Chris Matthews defense, it wouldn't surprise me if she went at Bernie

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Politics Containment Topic 278: Tulsi Gets a Delegate Edition

I think she'll get two in American Samoa

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Actually, today Tulsi complained about people on a Fox segment saying Warren was the only woman left, and instead of just simply going "Uh no there's another," she made it about race by suggesting they ignored her because she's a woman of color in favor of Warren who is a "fake woman of color."

So I'd bet Tulsi's gonna full on play the race card in a debate. That seems to be her desperate grasp lately, implying that everybody is racist against her.

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Now I'm imagining a nightmare scenario where whatever handful of delegates Tulsi gets is relevant

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I am going to be honest, her actually bothering to stay in the race in order to get delegates is kind of amazing.

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Obama or Sanders as the VP pick gets me to vote.

Dancedreamer posted...

I disagree. AOC is already a household name, and she's the youngest congresswoman to be elected currently. Plus she's not well past retirement age. Plus she's got a strong social media game, and republicans are obsessed with her. A bit more experience, and I think she's a stronger candidate than Bernie. And by then a lot of the old establishment will be gone.

I agree with this, AOC would be a better progressive than Bernie...but she kind of needed a Bernie win now. Do you really think she has more of a shot after this? 2024/8 look pretty bleak from here.

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AOC is like, on the right side of 30 man. She can be in congress for awhile, win a senate seat, and still be under 45 <_<

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That where I stand from her. Whether she is better than Bernie or not doesn't matter, because they will not let her get the nomination. Honestly would be even less likely if Biden won this time.

DoomTheGyarados posted...

AOC is like, on the right side of 30 man. She can be in congress for awhile, win a senate seat, and still be under 45 <_<

Again, you have more faith in the state of the nation in a couple decades than me!

Anyway as someone who likes history let's be plain here, folks: we are in the first days of a struggle for this country. The last 20 years has seen an enormous shift for us culturally that I don't think we understand. A lot has expanded and there is some backlash of that but also more and more ideas are coming to the forefront. Ideas that can only be denied for so long. A much higher minimum wage is for sure coming. Much more comprehensive health care is coming. Something about college debt is coming. Outside of Sanders, what we need most is progressive bunnies in the senate and house to grow and grow.

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MichelBollinger posted...

Again, you have more faith in the state of the nation in a couple decades than me!

Look I'll be blunt. We are not in literal civil war speculation right now. People are just salty and our government has issues, but let's calm down a bit.

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DoomTheGyarados posted...

AOC is like, on the right side of 30 man. She can be in congress for awhile, win a senate seat, and still be under 45 <_<

Yeah I'm not sure we have the time to be playing the long game here.

What's AOC's pitch gonna be in the 2030s? "Okay guys you didn't listen to me when I said we should do the Green New Deal over a decade ago and we've already missed the initial deadline but there's still time left to not be totally screwed!"

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HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

Yeah I'm not sure we have the time to be playing the long game here.

What's AOC's pitch gonna be in the 2030s? "Okay guys you didn't listen to me when I said we should do the Green New Deal over a decade ago and we've already missed the initial deadline but there's still time left to not be totally screwed!"

I am thinking Climate Change is going to be a lot like Gay Marriage. Obama originally was like "nah" but then was like "oh shit I fucked this up."

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DoomTheGyarados posted...

I am going to be honest, her actually bothering to stay in the race in order to get delegates is kind of amazing.

Even if they change the rules to prevent her from being at the debate, they likely can't prevent her from speaking at the DNC, especially if Biden fails to break 50%, though based on today's results that feels a bit unlikely.

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DoomTheGyarados posted...

Look I'll be blunt. We are not in literal civil war speculation right now. People are just salty and our government has issues, but let's calm down a bit.

Well, we don't need a literal civil war for total conservative control of the government to occur.

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HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

Well, we don't need a literal civil war for total conservative control of the government to occur.

We are also pretty far away from that. Let's not act as if the the GOP has done too much lasting harm. Not like we've had any insane amendments passed or anything. Like yeah it's really bad but I don't think you know what it takes to make an actual civil war. Trust me, none of the signs are there. Like you think it is a 10 and I am like "well it's a 7 and it sucks but it's not a 10."

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DoomTheGyarados posted...

Look I'll be blunt. We are not in literal civil war speculation right now. People are just salty and our government has issues, but let's calm down a bit.

There plenty of much more viable scenarios than this for us all to be fucked.

We're not gonna get someone who cares about the environment in anytime soon so we're already screed on that one, humans don't have much longer.

DoomTheGyarados posted...

I am thinking Climate Change is going to be a lot like Gay Marriage. Obama originally was like "nah" but then was like "oh shit I fucked this up."

Possibly. This is also something I'd point to where the difference in that "oh shit I fucked up" response is going to be staggering between any generic Dem and a Republican.

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Plus Biden is the kind of guy who would only even try to get a bill passed if he had Republican support even if the Dems had a Supermajority.

Biden could be in office for 8 years and I would be surprised to hear the words "a Biden policy change".

DoomTheGyarados posted...

We are also pretty far away from that. Let's not act as if the the GOP has done too much lasting harm. Not like we've had any insane amendments passed or anything. Like yeah it's really bad but I don't think you know what it takes to make an actual civil war. Trust me, none of the signs are there. Like you think it is a 10 and I am like "well it's a 7 and it sucks but it's not a 10."

I'm saying that you don't need a civil war or obvious lasting harm because the structure of our government inherently favors conservatism. Conservatives already are gaining control of the courts, possibly for decades if we get another Trump term, and their Senate advantage will only get more lopsided with time. Unless enough Republicans are defeated electorally before this is cemented, they'll just continue to get stronger over time.

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Well I know one way to NOT stop that is "I'm not voting"

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Hoping there will be enough outrage at the TX lines to at least partially address the problem in November.

No idea why the fuck it was also a problem in CA; I assume it will be addressed here.

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CA:
https://twitter.com/Redistrict/status/1235092037789274112

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MichelBollinger posted...

There plenty of much more viable scenarios than this for us all to be fucked.

We're not gonna get someone who cares about the environment in anytime soon so we're already screed on that one, humans don't have much longer.

Also maybe this can convince you to vote Biden if you feel strongly on this: his climate plan is perfectly adequate! It does an okay job and is looking to hit the right targets. Greenpeace gave it a B+. Unlike Trump, he would be willing to meet with other world leaders about it and not literally walk out on climate summits or have trolling Greta Thunberg be his main climate policy.

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Weeks, huh

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Multiple places calling Texas for Biden now. It is going to be essentially an even split between Sanders and Biden in terms of actual delegates, but...

This one hurts. A lot. Unless Sanders wins California by like...30 points? He needs an enormous win in California now.

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HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

Also maybe this can convince you to vote Biden if you feel strongly on this: his climate plan is perfectly adequate! It does an okay job and is looking to hit the right targets. Greenpeace gave it a B+. Unlike Trump, he would be willing to meet with other world leaders about it and not literally walk out on climate summits or have trolling Greta Thunberg be his main climate policy.

At the very least he won't have guys who make Captain Planet villains look Environmentally friendly as head of the EPA.

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A couple outlets have called TX for Biden

Maine is still very close. Also don't know if anyone mentioned it but Bernie won Utah.

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I just don't think having a some good policy matters when I have zero faith he will actually get anything done.

Like, I'm not in full meltdown mode now that I'm not having to deal with this while at work, just super depressed. I just cannot look at Biden and acknowledge that he is a human being who walks and talks. He's just...an amorphous blob of anonymous Democrat.

I just don't get how he has supporters!