Board 8 > Adventure Time Mafia! Topic 6 - Fighting on an endless boss train!

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Oh I thought you were saying he wasnt protecting Sultan. This also plays into my Lea red scum team from a few days ago. I admit though wanting to be right may be clouding my judgement and Im trying to see things neutrally

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I think Sultan May have misread the Chris pressure and thought he had more legit suspicion than he did. Sultan was scum. You and Lopen are unknown. Scare laid a trap and Ulti was scum and fell into it.
Basically he pressures Chris because he thought Chris was closer to being lynched then he really was on D2.

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On the other hand its Sultan. Being looking unnatural is both his strength and his weakness at mafia. Just like how being mean is yours and being abrasive is Corriks

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Topic1
HB, Sbell and Puns mentioned in Sultans first post: rule of 3? (If only it were that easy)
5tar attacks Sbell for his weird posts and how he goes after Corrik more than HB. Good first attack.
And looking back Sbell might also have died for how he snapped against Sultan day1?
He also gets good townvibes from red for some reason
Lea says she doesnt know how to read sultan, which is conveniently lazy.

Topic2
HB argues with Sultan about what a flavor miller is.
Sultan echoes my question about where Scare is. Possibly seeing a weakness? Scare later in return says he likes Sultan (for different posts of his) while Sultan sees scumScare in Scare.
Chris does think Sultan is scum early on, bringing moderate attentin to his posts so far.
Its scumChris MO to pressure weaker scumpartners first. But it doesnt really feel like that here, since he focused more on Lea in the end. (partially due to corrik saying sultan was town)

Based on day I like 5tar and Scare the most. Though thats more due to Sultan seeming so eager to badmouth Scare than due to anything Scare himself did.
HB had minimal interaction, red none at all, and Lea took that sideline stance which if you ask me is worse than calling him town.

But eh, day 1 was cut short, and Sultan just blendedin the background. So dont hold much value to these reads yet.
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I feel a little lost today maybe having trouble focusing and need to really dedicate myself to re reading more

People who i remember not looking good

Scare
Lea
HB (mostly beginning of day 1 topic 1)
5tar (i need a thorough reread on him)

People who looked more genuinely town
Chris
Ben
Sbell (after understanding where sbell was coming from)

Looked okay
IGCD

I have no idea

Mzero
Red (sorta liked red at the beginning of day 1 but lesser so later on)
Lopen (seen his content today seemed alright)

Dunno if Chris already covered this, but I wanted to quote Sultans post from day2 separately.

(and yes he missed me, which I pointed out to him)
I still think Sultan would at least have 1 scum in his top 4. Though that'd be a toss up between Hb and Lea at this point.

By the way a side note: why do people keep saying Chris and Ben are either both town or both scum?
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htaeD posted...

By the way a side note: why do people keep saying Chris and Ben are either both town or both scum?

They're arguing that scum!Ben wouldn't make that claim without scum!Chris being willing to back it up.
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Fine
Lea why did you vote Sultan day2?
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Leanansidhe posted...

I'd also like to hear form Red why he basically hasn't gone after me at all despite voting me day two for the "claim".

I mean, I wasn't here the rest of day 2 and then yesterday Sultan kind of died(Also with early eod I might add, I wish people wouldn't do that).

5tarscream posted...

What if Sultan is gf?

5tar posted this day2, end of topic4.
I asked him why he would ask this, and he didnt answer as far as I can see.
So I will ask him again, why did you ask this 5tar?
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*barfs*
Day2
Sultan starts with an attack on Scare, which Scare calls weaker than he expected from townsultan.
Sultan also sounds interested in a red movement, and sometimes mentions him again but ????

Chris then convinced Sultan to take a look at Lea, but he came back saying Lea looked like she always did as town.
Except one page later Sultan immediately turns on Lea as Chris again attacks Lea. Bizarre. He even drops his Scare angle to go after her.
I feel like Chris would be one of the few scumplayers to coach Sultan here, and I do not immediately see him letting Sultan make such sheepish bad posts.
Surprising how nobody noticed at the time.

Lopen makes his catchup posts and mentions that while Sultan was indeed weak, 5tar didnt look great for leaving weak pressure on Sultan either.
Unfortunately like Lea, Lopen puts Sultan in the neutral zone after saying he too cannot read Sultan well.
Lopen also argues with 5tar about Sultan, giving Sultan excuses for his backpedaling and making answers for him. Not a great look IMO.

Sultan and Lea then have that short conversation about me not getting votes and that being weird. Not sure what to make of this. It doesnt seem rehearsed but it came out of nowhere.
He also for no given reason at all changes his mind *(from the post I quoted earlier) and says he is Okay with a Ben lynch. Ben townstock rising. (he also forget he called 5tar and HB scummy)

When asked about 5tar, Chris unpromptedly compares him favorably to Sultan. I like that more now.

Then the first sultan train begins because of Lea's rather confusingly worded post.
Chris agrees and also gets Lopen to join in. Would have been better if Lopen had voted outof his own volition. Lopen also still thinks Chris is scum regardless and changes his mind to vote Chris soon afterwards.
(so does Lea in fact, despite the fact that she thinks they had a thing going with Sultan)
Sultan also reacted rather harshly to Chris' attack on him. Which I dont think he would do if Chris was his partner. (also yes one should ask why Chris would divert from Lea to Sultan if he was scum, unless Lea was scum too)
The sultan movement seems all about dead at this point, like more a joke than anything serious. Though 5tar still wants to support it. He just wasnt there when it happened. (Though if Lea is town, his desire to lynch Lea before Sultan will be sketchy)

Should be noted that Sultan claimed that instead Lea, people should be looking at Mzero/HB or Scare. Consistent with his reads sorta, but still makes me wonder about Lea... He's also still upset with Chris.

Anyway the forces draw against Chris moreso now, largely due to Sbell. Red does not even seem to see anyone else either.
But Chris comes back to vote Sultan after Lea's meltdown, 5star supporting him and Lea as well. Though 5tar votes Lea quickly afterwards (I can understand why, with how fast Lea recovered from her quitting and for his earlier desire explanation)

At the start of topic3, to his credit, Lopen goes back to Sultan at the behest of others. Still murky, but improving his image.
Ben also shows up to sheep Chris as he is expected to do. Cant tell much from this.
This causes Sultan to finally vote Lea to save himself. This did not feel as drawn out as I expected it to be. Think it says more about Chris being town than Lea being scum. Especially with Lea tempting him to vote Chris again.
Then Scare votes Chris and Ulti YOLOs onto Chris as well and his history is written. @ScareChan, why did you vote Chris at that time?
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To do a TRAPPED but I was quite surprised and simply denied fun instead

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I can see that
And People seem to agree that that was the case
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It means people are being slow.

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Hb, maybe you. You have been like 95% not serious this game so I really dont know what to think.

95 probably lowballing it even.

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Slow Votals (Slowtals)?
[1] Red - (Scare), Lea
[1] Lea - Chris, (Scare)
[1] Hbthebattle - Lopen


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Leanansidhe posted...

Did I miss you laying a case on Hb?

A lot of it is a backread on Sultan. He keeps throwing arbitrary shade hb's way.

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Also I have purposely let lea play her game today because apparently I did not previously and she has done nothing with it. vote isn't moving.

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If I remember rightly the reason I mentioned Sultan could be gf was because it fit with my theory of the scum team shipping him. At the time I still believed there was rb and perhaps some other power roles and that they be more likely to bus a gf to save their power roles.

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I have a lot of hair, I have literally pulled some of it out at multiple points this game due to this.,

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The only way hb as scum works is if Chris is scum too. He was on Lea basically all of day 2. He jumped to Ulti to save Chris. If you think hb is scum and Chris is town please explain why hb makes such an effort to save Chris on D2?

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Scare. Who out of Lea and red do you feel is more likely to be scum? Can you give me a scum pear without either?

Chris Im disappointed that you havent done anything with your pairs angle. Was it a ruse?

Death. If Lea is scum is Lopen misguided or scum?

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DoomTheGyarados posted...

Also I have purposely let lea play her game today because apparently I did not previously and she has done nothing with it. vote isn't moving.

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Also 5tar I am actually confused by that statement. I have narrowed the game down a TON with my pairs angle and I have shown my work.What are you talking about <_<

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I wanted another essay with confusing numbers where you confirm to me its Lea and red.

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Well I don't think it is lea AND red because of interactions between them when igcd ended up dying and also sultan being the other lynch

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Well the pairs angle means less if you are less willing to venture on which of the pairs you're actually removing from play I think is what he's getting at. Like it's never actually led to a push that I can recall. It's just conditional removals-- if A don't lynch B etc.

Like I feel like the pairs angle is not actually useful for solving the game in an immediate action sense. It only works in the long game but day to day it's changing and it doesn't provide information you can immediately use so practically speaking it's a lot of fluff, mostly.

I think you're overly fond of your spreadsheet and should focus on narrowing the scum.

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Ok so if its not read and Lea. Who is it?

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How many pairs do you have with Lea.

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Like I guess what I'm saying is it always plots action for the next day never the current day. Which kinda makes it feel like a waste of time in the moment.

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Death. If Lea is scum is Lopen misguided or scum?

I'd say I dont see an immediate connection between the two either way
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Pairs with Lea in order:

Lea/HB in the "what a weird game"
Lea/Lopen in "we are living our best lives no one can stop us."
Lea/Scare in "our buddies re horrible, time to get super inventive"
and Lea/Death in "Damnit Death you tricked me."


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those last 3 all containing people I think are town btw

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Ben, red, and I are never scum with Lea?

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I need to look into HB more tomorrow, cuz I still havent found what makes him click into any puzzle.
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If its hb run me through why he saves you when you were under pressure? Why doesnt hb stay on Lea and let you die? Instead he follows scare and me onto his scum mate?

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What do you do when the person who makes the most sense as scum in your mind makes no sense with anyone else as scum?

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You entertain the idea that you might be wrong.
At least we agree on Lea.
If its not Lea and I die tonight then its red.

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I feel Lea pairs well with Lopen because hes the only one that made an effort to save her when she was in trouble.

Red works because of his refusal to move onto Sultan after Leas meltdown but then hasnt pushed her since then.

You work because by pushing her all game you get immediate validation when she does flip.

i work with Lea by apparently bussing my entire team and going yolo for the last few days.

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Because you're not wrong.

You make no sense for interactions
Death's interactions make him not scum
Scare literally saved my life
Lopen has shown excellent moment to moment insight
HB has shown real, clear progression and he was on Sultan and Lea and then on IGCD.

So I can see why Red/Ben makes sense.

It's such a stupid play by a scum Ben day 2 to do that, but I've said all along I don't think Lea/Ben are aligned, and Red/Lea both being town just confuses me even more.

Lea lea lea. LEA.

My brain is telling me Red has to be scum here. The way he just went after Lea as if that claim was super obvious scum which JUST SO HAPPENED to defend scum Sultan. His suspicions on me early just didn't feel right.

Red knows me better than anyone. He knows how much I go back and forth in my head no matter how confident I look. Does a scum red try to prey on my fear of being wrong by noting if I lynch him to lynch me for being wrong? Yeah, probably.

I have seen Lea bus. I have seen Lea bus so brutally that it has won her games before.

But when I thought Lea might be town day 2 it led me to scum. I let her go, and voted scum. Okay, Not going to go full Iso. None of you know who Iso is, but trust me when I say I never want to go full Iso.

##unvote: Lea
##vote: Red13n

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