Current Events > With Parasite, the 'subs v. dubs' argument has gone primetime.

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Only Americans have problems reading subtitles, because they have the bad habit of 90% of all media being produced in their country.

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Gurifisu posted...

What's, for lack of better words, "important" is if whether or not someone watched something and enjoyed it. Not how they watched or enjoyed it.

I couldn't have said it better.

Some people prefer subbed. Some people prefer dubbed. Some are like me and are fine with both, simply deciding on a case-by-case basis which way they prefer for whatever they're watching at the time. None of those preferences make anyone less of a fan than anyone else in the fanbase.
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hockeybub89 posted...

"Reading lines matters. The performance matters."

"Hold up, can we get someone who speaks my language to read some lines in a sound booth and have them come out of this foreign actor's mouth?"

Really undercutting the talent and art behind voice acting, but okay.

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AsucaHayashi posted...

they are dumb as hell though. unless they simply "can't" read there's really no excuse in purposely avoiding specific media because of the spoken language.

How are they dumb as hell? People have hundreds of reasons why they don't want to watch a movie, and all those reasons are fine because people have limited time and if they don't wanna use some of their time on something they don't enjoy (such as watching a film with subtitles), they have every right to not watch it without judgmental people like you saying otherwise. Guess what, there are thousands of alternatives to watching any given movie, so let them use their time how they want. People like you are why people are so fake nowadays because they feel like they gotta "like" everything or society will look down on them.

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Go watch ghost stories and realize why dubs can be the greatest thing ever.

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Gurifisu posted...

Really undercutting the talent and art behind voice acting, but okay.

Voice acting is an art, but then we should just make every movie animated if we're going to dub real life. No sense in a real life actor putting in a performance when we're just going to have a bunch of other performances come out of their mouth.

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PiOverlord posted...

People have hundreds of reasons why they don't want to watch a movie, and all those reasons are fine because people have limited time and if they don't wanna use some of their time on something they don't enjoy (such as watching a film with subtitles), they have every right to not watch it without judgmental people like you saying otherwise.

they have every right to not watch it for whatever reason and i have every right to judge their reason.. to say i'm not allowed to judge them for it is hilarious.

"i don't like this movie because it has a gay character in it and you're not allowed to judge me for it so be gone" xd

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hockeybub89 posted...

Voice acting is an art, but then we should just make every movie animated if we're going to dub real life. No sense in a real life actor putting in a performance when we're just going to have a bunch of other performances come out of their mouth.

I suppose we should only have one VA and one language as an option since apparently there's a definitive voice to be able to enjoy something

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AsucaHayashi posted...

they have every right to not watch it for whatever reason and i have every right to judge their reason.. to say i'm not allowed to judge them for it is hilarious.

"i don't like this movie because it has a gay character in it and you're not allowed to judge me for it so be gone" xd

Well, just know that society needs more people are actually accepting of opinions, not elitists like you. Go ahead and feel superior to others though; I'm sure you are a real gold star.

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PiOverlord posted...

just know that society needs more people are actually accepting of opinion

your opinion isn't a magical shield that prevents others from having an opinion regarding your opinion and your opinion on this matter is indeed a bad one.

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Gurifisu posted...

I suppose we should only have one VA and one language as an option since apparently there's a definitive voice to be able to enjoy something

No, only when it's live action.

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AsucaHayashi posted...

your opinion isn't a magical shield that prevents others from having an opinion regarding your opinion and your opinion on this matter is indeed a bad one.

Actually, my opinion on foreign films is that subs are the superior way to watch them, already explained why. I don't look down on others for not sharing that opinion though.

Your opinion though, that people should be forced to like things the same way you do is the bad one. The way they choose to spend their time is none of your business.

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Live action dubs are all kinds of nasty. Anime and games, sure - not all anime dubs are good, but a decent production is perfectly acceptable. Especially for more action oriented anime series where you want to be looking at all the batshit crazy animation. But live action dubs are spotty at best.

Subtitles are great. They allow for more accurate translations - with a dub you have to match the mouth flaps, and that leads to truncated dialogue to fit the visuals. Subtitles let the translator expand on what's being said and more accurately depict the message and the mood of what's being said.

If you can't watch a movie with subtitles, then that's a you problem, not a problem with the product. If you want dubs, go back to anime and video games.

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PiOverlord posted...

Your opinion though, that people should be forced to like things the same way you do is the bad one. The way they choose to spend their time is none of your business.

it's not "liking" vs "not liking" because the presence of subs have absolutely NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with the quality of the movie. the movie doesn't magically get better because another language is dubbed over.

to purposefully avoid the movie because of this lone factor is indeed a completely asinine and illogical thing to do.

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hockeybub89 posted...

No, only when it's live action.

I think the point your missing is that there being a dub for other languages does not make the original cease to exist. The existence of dubs in no way harms or affects your enjoyment of something. If you, much like myself, prefer to watch something in its original language there is nothing to stop you from doing so.

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AsucaHayashi posted...

it's not "liking" vs "not liking" because the presence of subs have absolutely NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with the quality of the movie. the movie doesn't magically get better because another language is dubbed over.

to purposefully avoid the movie because of this lone factor is indeed a completely asinine and illogical thing to do.

It's not an argument of quality, but an argument of enjoyment. It doesn't matter if the quality is the same, if the viewer is not enjoying it as much, they have every right to not want to experience it that way.


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Gurifisu posted...

I think the point your missing is that there being a dub for other languages does not make the original cease to exist. The existence of dubs in no way harms or affects your enjoyment of something. If you, much like myself, prefer to watch something in its original language there is nothing to stop you from doing so.

I'm just saying there's no point in acting if you're just a meat suit for other dudes' lines to a bunch of audiences. I feel like that would be soul crushing.

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PiOverlord posted...

It's not an argument of quality, but an argument of enjoyment. It doesn't matter if the quality is the same, if the viewer is not enjoying it as much, they have every right to not want to experience it that way.

and again i have a right to judge them for their reasoning(refer to my movie with a gay character example above) which in no way makes me an elitist.

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AsucaHayashi posted...

and again i have a right to judge them for their reasoning(refer to my movie with a gay character example above) which in no way makes me an elitist.

Take a look into fallacies before you keep trying to force arguments please.

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PiOverlord posted...

It doesn't matter if the quality is the same

I really don't agree with this tbh.

PiOverlord posted...

Take a look into fallacies before you keep trying to force arguments please.

imagine bringing up fallacies when you're the one claiming people should be allowed to have an opinion on stuff without others being able to respond to that opinion with their own.

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hockeybub89 posted...

I'm just saying there's no point in acting if you're just a meat suit for other dudes' lines to a bunch of audiences. I feel like that would be soul crushing.

But you know that's not true because there is a point. You are delivering to the majority of your audience: those who speak that language and those who prefer the original audio. I think you over-exaggerate the opinions one would hold about how someone foreign to them and their language enjoys it.

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AsucaHayashi posted...

imagine bringing up fallacies when you're the one claiming people should be allowed to have an opinion on stuff without others being able to respond to that opinion with their own.

I'm not the one saying an opinion on something relatively small is an indicator of their intelligence.

Btw, saying "You don't like watching films with subtitles means you dumb" is not an opinion on their opinion, it's an opinion on them. I can disagree with an opinion without being rude and terrible about it.

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https://twitter.com/AmznMovieRevws/status/1226699493363658754

Lmao
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DeadBankerDream posted...

Gaming gets a pass because your attention is often expected to be on other things.

Is that not usually true of most visual media?

slight tangent: The Japanese dub of Brooklyn 99 is hilarious, and Ginas Japanese voice sounds so hot. >_>

i dont care one way or the other. But it makes me feel physical pain whenever somebody says they dont watch subtitled media and acts smug about not reading. Its arguable if disliking subtitles is American, but its probably the most American thing in the world to proudly proclaim I dont read. >_>

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Regular americans really living up to that stereotype.

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LightHawKnight posted...

Reminds of all those bad Jackie Chan english dubs. Remember the last time my friends watched Drunken Master in english instead of cantonese and I was face palming the entire time.

clearly the actors need to learn and be proficient in English and reshoot the entire movie in English, that's the easiest way

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Eh. Dubbing is cheesy as hell and ruins the immersion of a film quite severely imo

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MrMallard posted...

Live action dubs are all kinds of nasty. Anime and games, sure - not all anime dubs are good, but a decent production is perfectly acceptable. Especially for more action oriented anime series where you want to be looking at all the batshit crazy animation. But live action dubs are spotty at best.

Subtitles are great. They allow for more accurate translations - with a dub you have to match the mouth flaps, and that leads to truncated dialogue to fit the visuals. Subtitles let the translator expand on what's being said and more accurately depict the message and the mood of what's being said.

If you can't watch a movie with subtitles, then that's a you problem, not a problem with the product. If you want dubs, go back to anime and video games.

i agree

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I'm not in English class, i'm watching a movie. If I wanted to read a book, i'd read a book.

Dubbed all the way, for everything. It's really the best, and only way.

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The only time that anything should be dubbed is if it isn't already in Japanese or Korean

MabusIncarnate posted...

I'm not in English class, i'm watching a movie. If I wanted to read a book, i'd read a book.

Dubbed all the way, for everything. It's really the best, and only way.

This, but only for anything animated.
Not live-action.

I mean I guess I get people who are bad at reading disliking subs, but man live action dub is so awkward.

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Live action dubs should be banned imo

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Blue_Dream87 posted...

Live action dubs should be banned imo

but... Kung Pow

If it's meant to be taken seriously, subs. If not dub it. Which is why most games and anime should be dubbed.

I can't imagine how bad parasite would be with Dubs and anyone who hasn't seen it because of subtitles is only denying themselves a great movie experience. It was my second favorite movie of 2019 after jojo. Well shot, well acted, well directed, and a good interesting story that crosses into most cultures.

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The guy that wrote that article watched almost no movies last year so Im not sure if his opinion matters

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I dont need to click on a dumb ass mother jones article to know that subtitles are far superior.
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