Poll of the Day > "The DNC primaries aren't rigged", the sequel

(+) Yeah! (+)

*still not rigged

Iowa caucus results are riddled with "errors" that stole votes from Bernie

https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/math/a30810883/iowa-caucuses-math-errors/

IDP attorney refuses to correct math errors in results because of "adding an element of bias"

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/03/us/politics/iowa-caucus-app.html

Former Buttigieg campaign organizer is now a "Voter Protection Director" in the upcoming Nevada primary

https://twitter.com/CANCEL_SAM/status/1226607764727791621

Hope you guys like forever wars, because you don't have a fucking choice! And oh yeah, Bernie's a Communist, or something. Vote for the gay man with (literally) 40 billionaire donors. Kids like gay people, right?

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Trump supporters also organized online and intentionally overwhelmed the phone lines to obstruct reporting

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Mead posted...

Trump supporters also organized online and intentionally overwhelmed the phone lines to obstruct reporting

Yeah, there's that too. They should have corrected the mistakes retroactively though, which they refuse to do.

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Yellow posted...

Yeah, there's that too. They should have corrected the mistakes retroactively though, which they refuse to do.

Theyre not stupid. They know, even more so than the Dems, just how loyal Bernies supporters are.

At this point, all the Trumpist have to do is help the establishment DEMS fuck over Bernie, and itll be 2016 all over again.

So yeah... we have any Canadians out here? Hows the jobs situation up there?

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HornedLion posted...

So yeah... we have any Canadians out here? Hows the jobs situation up there?

It's not like the centrist dems can't run the country, they just don't bother fixing any glaring holes in society and are paid to do so. War, healthcare, pharma prices, and that's why more and more people are refusing to vote for them. They show how slimy they are when they refuse to go down without a fight.

I think it's more pathetic that Obama quietly refused to end the war than Bush starting the war. At least Bush was with 80% of the country at the time. Trump is just trying his best to make the war popular again.

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Mead posted...

Trump supporters also organized online and intentionally overwhelmed the phone lines to obstruct reporting

Imagine living so blindly that even when your team is a circus, you still place the blame on someone else. Amazing.

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DPsx7 posted...

Imagine living so blindly that even when your team is a circus, you still place the blame on someone else. Amazing.

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/security/n1131521

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DPsx7 posted...

Imagine living so blindly that even when your team is a circus, you still place the blame on someone else. Amazing.

I dont live in Iowa so I wouldnt call them my team

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The difference this time is that Pete is a good candidate unlike Hillary "4Prison" Clinton.

Yellow posted...

Bernie's a Communist, or something

Medicare For All is quite literally state ownership over healthcare. Bernie wants to take your choice away. Why?
Also I'd be happy to vote for AOC in 4 years.

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Judgmenl posted...

The difference this time is that Pete is a good candidate unlike Hillary "4Prison" Clinton.

Medicare For All is quite literally state ownership over healthcare. Bernie wants to take your choice away. Why?
Also I'd be happy to vote for AOC in 4 years.

Our choices now are to either A) go bankrupt in medical bills or B) take your diagnosis and dealwithit. Not really good choices. We want the type of healthcare Europe has.

/inb4bspropagandaliesaboutabsurdwaittimesinhospitalsineurope


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Judgmenl posted...

The difference this time is that Pete is a good candidate unlike Hillary "4Prison" Clinton.

How? He's not anti-war, nothing on private prisons, obviously will favor lobbying. He's against single-payer as well, so people will continue to pay stupid prices for healthcare. He's probably going to disregard new energy technology in favor of fossil fuels, as well as ignore the rust belt's general well being as far as jobs go as they'd never support him anyway.

No one actually knows what Pete Buttigieg supports because he never talks about policies, just empty catch cliches about "unity" and defeating Trump.

Like I said, he's not going to ruin the country, he's just not going to change anything, so America will continue to be mocked for the backwards things we do.

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Judgmenl posted...

Pete is a good candidate unlike Hillary "4Prison" Clinton.

theyre both moderate puppet candidates backed by all the corporate billionaires

Judgmenl posted...

Medicare For All is quite literally state ownership over healthcare. Bernie wants to take your choice away. Why?

If you still wanted private healthcare you could get it. Older folks can still buy health insurance despite qualifying for Medicare. With a single system youd be able to actually decide yourself which doctors to see. Under the privatized system youre limited to the providers your insurance company allows you to see and even then youre still burdened with co-pays and ever-increasing deductibles.

Every single other prominent country on this planet manages it, Im sure we can tackle it.

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Also add that other "non single payer" options are basically a public option, which will inevitable be overloaded as people who don't need it won't opt in.

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HornedLion posted...

Our choices now are to either A) go bankrupt in medical bills or B) take your diagnosis and dealwithit. Not really good choices. We want the type of healthcare Europe has.

The "propaganda" is what you're spewing.

Yellow posted...

How? He's not anti-war, nothing on private prisons, obviously will favor lobbying. He's against single-payer as well, so people will continue to pay stupid prices for healthcare. He's probably going to disregard new energy technology in favor of fossil fuels, as well as ignore the rust belt's general well being as far as jobs go as they'd never support him anyway.

This is the same guy who disagreed with the killing of General Soleimani.
Also Single Payer is not the right solution for this country.
Also You have no proof of that. Stop making shit up.
The Rust Belt is a fucking joke and a relic of the 20th Century.

Mead posted...

theyre both moderate puppet candidates backed by all the corporate billionaires

So isn't Bernie Sanders.

Mead posted...

If you still wanted private healthcare you could get it.

Nope! Bernie has even said it himself multiple times. He wants to ban private health insurance. You are describing Pete's plan.

Mead posted...

With a single system youd be able to actually decide yourself which doctors to see.

Under the current system I can:

• Choose my doctor
• Choose my plan (HMO, PPO, ect.)
• Choose no plan (Due to the mandate being repealed - I still technically get taxed for it in Massachusetts)
• Choose a state funded plan
• Choose a federal funded plan
• Choose another private plan (one that my work doesn't provide)
• None of this has any mandatory requirements. I'm not required to visit my doctor. My current plan requires me to have a PCP, however I don't think the other plan that my work provides requires a PCP.

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There is only one party, the Property Party, and it has 2 right wings.. ~Gore Vidal probably

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The country should not be punished because some people work part time, unskilled labor jobs.

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Judgmenl posted...

Nope! Bernie has even said it himself multiple times. He wants to ban private health insurance.

That isnt correct.

https://www.congress.gov/115/bills/s1804/BILLS-115s1804is.xml#toc-ida557e1ae655449f5a9c34a27625fe9f9

SEC. 107. PROHIBITION AGAINST DUPLICATING COVERAGE.
(a) In General.Beginning on the effective date described in section 106(a), it shall be unlawful for
(1) a private health insurer to sell health insurance coverage that duplicates the benefits provided under this Act; or
(2) an employer to provide benefits for an employee, former employee, or the dependents of an employee or former employee that duplicate the benefits provided under this Act.
(b) Construction.Nothing in this Act shall be construed as prohibiting the sale of health insurance coverage for any additional benefits not covered by this Act, including additional benefits that an employer may provide to employees or their dependents, or to former employees or their dependents.

Anyone can still purchase private health insurance if they want it. It would only be illegal for insurance providers to sell benefits that someone is already entitled to by default.

Please avoid spreading misinformation.

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If health insurance counts as health care.... does that mean the police force is gun insurance?

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Judgmenl posted...

The "propaganda" is what you're spewing.

This is the same guy who disagreed with the killing of General Soleimani.
Also Single Payer is not the right solution for this country.
Also You have no proof of that. Stop making shit up.
The Rust Belt is a fucking joke and a relic of the 20th Century.

So isn't Bernie Sanders.

Nope! Bernie has even said it himself multiple times. He wants to ban private health insurance. You are describing Pete's plan.

I bet you were hoping I wouldn't respond to this.

A) good
B) no, see below
C) I didn't give Pete the benefit of a doubt, he supports a moderate plan to take on climate change with a budget of $1.5-$2 trillion.
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/09/04/pete-buttigieg-climate-change-1479995
Keyword moderate, Bernie's deal more akin to FDR's new deal.
D) That attitude is why they vote Republican, and because we don't adopt it we poll extremely well in rust belt states by proposing left leaning policies.

Yes, medicare "for all who want it" does not ban private insurance. This is Pete's plan.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/02/03/buttigieg_medicare_for_all_who_want_it_is_a_good_pathway_to_medicare_for_all.html
We've tried it before, it's Obamacare. It's not good enough. We want what every other developed country has. You would be incredibly naive to think one of the most successful social programs in history wouldn't work in the US.

And ironically, Bernie's plan is moderate in America's extremely right leaning political bubble. It does not ban private insurance. It's Identical to the UK's healthcare system.
https://theweek.com/articles/850638/no-really-wants-ban-all-private-insurance-not-even-bernie-sanders

If you want an actually accurate analysis of the US's healthcare system you can watch this. If you make it 3 minutes in you'll be able to tell this guy actually knows what he's talking about.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44mvkMqrW4U

If you want to try and grasp how complicated Obamacare is, you can get into this channel entirely dedicated to explaining medicare.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4vgYKig-7gkHDsBTIlR_3A/videos

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Mead posted...

Anyone can still purchase private health insurance if they want it. It would only be illegal for insurance providers to sell benefits that someone is already entitled to by default.

Wow can you read?
That literally says that insurance providers cannot sell insurance because it's entitled to them by default.

Context clues man. Did you skip elementary school?

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Also please do not get me started on environmental issues. The problem is unsolvable, and everyone in this thread knows it.

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Yellow posted...

I bet you were hoping I wouldn't respond to this.

A) good
B) no, see below
C) I didn't give Pete the benefit of a doubt, he supports a moderate plan to take on climate change with a budget of $1.5-$2 trillion.
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/09/04/pete-buttigieg-climate-change-1479995
Keyword moderate, Bernie's deal more akin to FDR's new deal.
D) That attitude is why they vote Republican, and because we don't adopt it we poll extremely well in rust belt states by proposing left leaning policies.

Yes, medicare "for all who want it" does not ban private insurance. This is Pete's plan.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/02/03/buttigieg_medicare_for_all_who_want_it_is_a_good_pathway_to_medicare_for_all.html
We've tried it before, it's Obamacare. It's not good enough. We want what every other developed country has. You would be incredibly naive to think one of the most successful social programs in history wouldn't work in the US.

And ironically, Bernie's plan is moderate in America's extremely right leaning political bubble. It does not ban private insurance. It's Identical to the UK's healthcare system.
https://theweek.com/articles/850638/no-really-wants-ban-all-private-insurance-not-even-bernie-sanders

If you want an actually accurate analysis of the US's healthcare system you can watch this. If you make it 3 minutes in you'll be able to tell this guy actually knows what he's talking about.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44mvkMqrW4U

If you want to try and grasp how complicated Obamacare is, you can get into this channel entirely dedicated to explaining medicare.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4vgYKig-7gkHDsBTIlR_3A/videos

This is all very well stated BUT...

Hes a successful software engineer soooo... git gud?

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HornedLion posted...

Hes a successful software engineer soooo... git gud?

Look there is one good part of my life, OK?

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Yeah and I'm an unsuccessful software engineer so I guess I lose.

That's until I get a good website going showcasing my work/finish school, then I should be able to get something that pays decently well without degrading the joints in my body. /tangent

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My point is that you don't have to jump to personal attacks just because I don't agree with you, ok?

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Judgmenl posted...

The country should not be punished because some people work part time, unskilled labor jobs.

If they're working part time unskilled labour jobs because of illness, you're being punished for refusing to use tax money to get them earning again.

Health isn't a luxury, it's a necessity for an efficiently operating society. You pay to service your equipment because it's more costly to replace it, apply this to humans.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

If they're working part time unskilled labour jobs because of illness, you're being punished for refusing to use tax money to get them earning again.

We already have social security and medicaid for that. How do I know? Maybe it's because I know from experience?
Maybe someone should try and fix some of the problems on why some people have mental illness. Maybe if the state tried to fix my birth mother's issues I wouldn't have turned out to be the person I am now. Maybe I'd turn into a worse or better person depending on how fate treated me. Having access to healthcare was never an issue for the lazy piece of shit my mother was. That was always available. We were never without food either. We were without a father because our culture is fucked.

And yes, you have me pissed off. You have zero moral high ground in this argument. Stop implying shit about my life, or assuming you are any better or worse off than me because I happen to have had some minute success in my life. Hell, I'll give our wonderful government the credit here because without them I would be worse off, but not for the reasons you provided. Hell, people like Bernie Sanders are championing expansion of the keys to my success. The problem? The keys are already there. Free college education and healthcare are already available to the people who need them. The problem is that people have ZERO life experiences that match these people and don't understand what the real problems are and I won't either. I don't understand why and how I ended up differently, just like I don't understand why I cannot find any real happiness in my life, but I know it was never because the government didn't provide when I needed them. They always did.

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I fucking hate purity tests btw.

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Judgmenl posted...

I fucking hate purity tests btw.

You mean standards by which I won't vote for someone?

Yeah, just shut up and fall in line with the nearest guy with a D. Doesn't matter what their policies are.

Judgmenl posted...

Free college education and healthcare are already available to the people who need them.

Tell that to the kids with lifelong student loan debt and grown ass adults skipping medication and dying from lack of healthcare they can afford in our extremist right wing healthcare system.

Not everyone can be upper class. There will always be a lower class, even if you're well off.

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Judgmenl posted...

Wow can you read?
That literally says that insurance providers cannot sell insurance because it's entitled to them by default.

Nothing in this Act shall be construed as prohibiting the sale of health insurance coverage for any additional benefits not covered by this Act, including additional benefits that an employer may provide to employees or their dependents, or to former employees or their dependents.

come on man, I even bolded it the first time to help you see it

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I did see the numbers on the TV the other day. It showed all the candidates performing in line with where the pre-polling indicated they were except bernie and pete. The supposed final results show bernie losing 5 points while pete gained them to be basically even.

I know polling isn't always accurate, but when the end result matches everyone except the top two and those top two have such a big swing in percentage after how much of a shit show the caucus has been? Hard to believe the results.

"My candidate isn't winning which means it's rigged!", the sequel

Honestly, if you legit thought it was rigged, why wouldn't it sway in favor of Biden? Biden is the establishment candidate. More importantly, you're ascribing to malice something easily explained by a more reasonable ineptitude.


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Zeus posted...

"My candidate isn't winning which means it's rigged!", the sequel

Honestly, if you legit thought it was rigged, why wouldn't it sway in favor of Biden? Biden is the establishment candidate. More importantly, you're ascribing to malice something easily explained by a more reasonable ineptitude.

He did too poorly. There is limits to what you can do.

Zeus posted...

"My candidate isn't winning which means it's rigged!", the sequel

Honestly, if you legit thought it was rigged, why wouldn't it sway in favor of Biden? Biden is the establishment candidate. More importantly, you're ascribing to malice something easily explained by a more reasonable ineptitude.

There's too much ineptitude, and the fact that they refuse to do a recount, just to fix the known errors that people have pointed out to them, there's just too much. All this on top of how we were handled last election and it's very reasonably malice. The vast majority of the "mistakes" put Bernie at a disadvantage at pretty much every turn, mostly by literally just taking votes from him.

And Biden is hopeless and has dementia or something. Not even being smug, because that's terrible, people just know he can't win anymore. Aside from that, he does this every election he runs. The more he talks, the less people like him.

I'm not convinced it was the DNC or the Buttigieg campaign, but with 40 billionaires there's bound to be some strings to pull and it's probably very very indiscriminate.

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Fuck politics, Ill be playing Animal Crossing on my Switch.

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What baffles me about the 'Republican's clogging the lines' thing is that you'd think the DNC would be able to enact something like caller I.D., do recounts/verifications, and not have these mess-ups in the first place. Didn't they do even a basic test run of this app beforehand? Run it through debugging? Write the numbers down on a napkin or, well, ANYTHING? Why didn't they use email when they realized there were problems? It's like that meme of the dog in the burning building.

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Unbridled9 posted...

What baffles me about the 'Republican's clogging the lines' thing is that you'd think the DNC would be able to enact something like caller I.D., do recounts/verifications, and not have these mess-ups in the first place. Didn't they do even a basic test run of this app beforehand? Run it through debugging? Write the numbers down on a napkin or, well, ANYTHING? Why didn't they use email when they realized there were problems? It's like that meme of the dog in the burning building.

no such thing happend
they're just too stupid/curropt to use a phone app and blockchain voting

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RoboXgp89 posted...

curropt

curse their curroption!

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