Board 8 > The Coronavirus Topic

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https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1230632378114154497?s=20

The number there should be 631 new cases. It doesn't include 220 from the prison they later reported.

South Korea is up to 156 cases. Running out of beds already.

Apparently China just figured they should start testing their prison facilities as a lot of their new cases are in prisons. 220 in Hubei, 34 in Zheijiang, and 207 in Shandong. Hubei and shandong people in power have been removed over the prison outbreaks.

And in really sad news the following...

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1230731486715736066?s=20


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https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1230765780469342210?s=20

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1230800894419140610?s=20

Iran is up to 4 deaths now.

South Korea looks like it is about to be a big outbreak based on confirmed case numbers daily.

North Korea cancels a marathon due to concerns.

Countries have barred travel to Iran. Kuwait and Iraq namely. Iraq has closed border. Kuwait has barred air and boat travel to Iran.

Italy looks likely to get its first confirmed death possibly. 39 year old man with the virus is now in respiratory failure.

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oh iran is definitely not gonna have a good time on this one.
they might just go straight to the north korea route of just killing people who are suspected of having it. third world is not the place to deal with it.

the odder thing about it though is that supposedly heat was this thing's enemy. quick google check tells me they're in the 50s these days, i guess that's not hot enough?

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So we (Israel) brought some citizens from the Cruise Ship
Turns out one is infected
Fantastic, very smart, thanks a lot

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Follow up. The man in Italy is 38 and not 39 I guess. But, he has never been to China. His only contact with anything Chinese related was he had a meal with some people who had recently come back from China. All the way back in the end of January. (So about a month ago almost). His wife is infected and a family friend is now. This means him, his wife, friend, and the people he dined with have had this virus for almost a month now unchecked in Italy. Likely a lot of Italy cases not known about that exist.

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Wanglicious posted...

oh iran is definitely not gonna have a good time on this one.
they might just go straight to the north korea route of just killing people who are suspected of having it. third world is not the place to deal with it.

the odder thing about it though is that supposedly heat was this thing's enemy. quick google check tells me they're in the 50s these days, i guess that's not hot enough?

That's an idea based on the flu. That is NOT actually the truth based on any evidence of any sorts. It is a hopeful theory.

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https://twitter.com/farnazfassihi/status/1230469666369306627?s=20

^ Read entire chain.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-51581805

I know a lot of reports of abuse towards easterns have been reported as of late. Chinese restaurants basically being ghosted due to fears of the virus. Etc. That above report is about protesters attacking a Chinese evacuee bus.

I know people attribute to avoidance of Chinese restaurants and fears of easterners at the moment as Xenophobia. However, I think it is more likely of a safe than sorry approach by people. Obviously attacking Easterners or abusing them is despicable. But, I do understand the avoidance physically due to fears at the moment. It seems like a human reaction.

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Iran.

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1230831690496520192?s=20

Interestingly enough they think the path to Iran came from Pakistani's on religious trips to Iran, not China, for some reason.

Pakistan to my knowledge has zero reported cases.

Draw what you want to from that.

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Iran is such a random country for the virus to spread into though

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Nanis23 posted...

Iran is such a random country for the virus to spread into though

China buys stuff from them, right?

https://freebeacon.com/national-security/china-becomes-irans-largest-trade-partner/

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Do chinese food restaurants generally actually import anything from China?

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CoolCly posted...

Do chinese food restaurants generally actually import anything from China?

I highly doubt it.

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https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1231030155755376641?s=20

10 towns in Italy in lockdown for 7 days. No recreational, public, or other events. No school. No public transportation. Etc.

Saudi Arabia closes all travel between Iran and them and anyone who has been in Iran recently is barred entry.

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Thats why Ive been tested 2 times since arriving in quarantine. Once on arrival. Once after 6 days. Once yesterday. Today is the last day I go home tomorrow.

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Corrik7 posted...

https://twitter.com/farnazfassihi/status/1230469666369306627?s=20

^ Read entire chain.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-51581805

I know a lot of reports of abuse towards easterns have been reported as of late. Chinese restaurants basically being ghosted due to fears of the virus. Etc. That above report is about protesters attacking a Chinese evacuee bus.

I know people attribute to avoidance of Chinese restaurants and fears of easterners at the moment as Xenophobia. However, I think it is more likely of a safe than sorry approach by people. Obviously attacking Easterners or abusing them is despicable. But, I do understand the avoidance physically due to fears at the moment. It seems like a human reaction.

Did you ever look for that Hong Kong video I told you about? Theres a guy from Wuhan in Hong Kong and they literally attack him in the street. Knock him out cold then theyre kicking and punching his unconscious body while 10 or so reports crowd around to take pictures.

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5tarscream posted...

Did you ever look for that Hong Kong video I told you about? Theres a guy from Wuhan in Hong Kong and they literally attack him in the street. Knock him out cold then theyre kicking and punching his unconscious body while 10 or so reports crowd around to take pictures.

I saw a few videos of that sort. Yes.

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I had a lot of sympathy for HK at the start of the protests but having seen the Chinese side of the media too that the rest of the world casually seems to miss its hard. I 100% believe in their cause and I 100% disagree with their methods.

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5tarscream posted...

I had a lot of sympathy for HK at the start of the protests but having seen the Chinese side of the media too that the rest of the world casually seems to miss its hard. I 100% believe in their cause and I 100% disagree with their methods.

Well, I have seen other provinces beating up people from Wuhan videos also if that matters.

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Maybe relevant to you @Nanis23

https://twitter.com/BBCLBicker/status/1231136799742779393?s=20

Incubation period could be up to 27 days and spread while asymptomatic.

https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUKKCN20G072

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/22/coronavirus-asymptomatic-wuhan-woman-shows-why-outbreak-will-be-hard-to-stop

South Korea almost reported more new cases than China did.

http://m.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20200222000019


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5tarscream posted...

I had a lot of sympathy for HK at the start of the protests but having seen the Chinese side of the media too that the rest of the world casually seems to miss its hard. I 100% believe in their cause and I 100% disagree with their methods.

We won't achieve a thing by being solely peaceful and polite when up against the CCP. I don't exactly agree with the methods either but am willing to turn a blind eye to it.

Oh and the HK government is doing such a terrible job, or not even trying to contain the virus. Everyone including medical experts wants more border closures to limit movements but they are calling it racist and painting it as another anti-China conspiracy (but didn't call out Russia or North Korea for doing it). They would rather let an outbreak happen than listen to perfectly reasonable demands.

Corrik7 posted...

Maybe relevant to you @Nanis23

https://twitter.com/BBCLBicker/status/1231136799742779393?s=20

Yeah this is worrying
They were pretty much everywhere here during their trip...if they were infected back then who knows how many people they infected here
We might be having a outbreak here as well for fuck's sake

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Hoping this is just Fox Die and it targets certain individuals.


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https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1231485925676535813?s=20

Not a good time to be a doctor in Wuhan. This is like the third who has succumbed to the virus.

@Wanglicious

You will appreciate this article.

https://nypost.com/2020/02/22/dont-buy-chinas-story-the-coronavirus-may-have-leaked-from-a-lab/

https://harvardtothebighouse.com/2020/01/31/logistical-and-technical-analysis-of-the-origins-of-the-wuhan-coronavirus-2019-ncov/

South Korea has gone Code Red.

Italy is enforcing a quarantine that if broken can result in a $200 fine or 3 months in prison (wide range there).

Another Diamond Princess passenger has died.

Iran is up to 8 deaths but some sources say it is really 15+. South Korea, Iran, Italy, and Japan are the main areas we are looking at right now in addition to China.

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https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1231589398933884930?s=20

Another doctor has died in Wuhan.

Pretty much every country surrounding Iran has closed their borders to Iran.

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yep, the lab theory is getting more traction globally. it's pretty sensible, the question just becomes how and why. that article mentions the possibility of the animal was sold on the wet market, which is hilariously the bat soup + lab theories combined. furthering these theories right now is that a state paper in china has stated that it didn't come from the wet market. so... if it didn't come from there yet still originated in Wuhan, what was it? right now it's basically just two options for how it originally happened - either food or the lab. there doesn't seem to be a third choice so that's what we've got.

so, the lab theories.
the least malicious one i've heard is that it was part of experiments on vaccines but it somehow got out. could be due to incompetence, people not following regulations, or an area that wasn't secure. the most entertaining one of these is that somehow a bunch of bats being experimented on got out and resulted in scientists getting covered in bat piss and blood. so china would've literally started a pandemic thanks to an accidental furry golden shower. whatever the cause, this one is the one that saves the most face and, should the lab theory be true, is what i expect to be the official story. it's a reasonable answer demanding few leaps of faith.

second most malicious, though scariest, is the bioweapon idea. this one hasn't died out yet since china's experimented and should still be experimenting with bioweapons in general and the coronavirus, as it's related to SARS, should be in that category of viruses they're interested in. it's a terrible idea to have anything like this in a major area but, well, it's china. so it's plausible. demands a bit of suspicion and is likely what other governments and businesses will take as the actual answer - they ain't gonna run with the theory of 'just a mistake.'

third is the scariest, by far the most out there, but could explain everything and isn't as crazy as it initially sounds: a member of a South Korean cult who worships its leader as the reincarnation of Jesus Christ worked in the lab caught it, and (purposefully or not) spread it without a care.

no seriously. this one demands the most information so here's a NYT article on it - it's mainstream news and rightfully so considering even if that theory isn't true, they are destroying South Korea.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/21/world/asia/south-korea-coronavirus-shincheonji.html

"As the countrys infection numbers soar, most cases have been connected to the Shincheonji Church of Jesus, which mainstream churches consider a cult."

before going further, do remember what South Korea's 2016 was: the impeachment of their president due to the revelation that she was the puppet of a cult leader with a shadow government run by 8 fairies/goddesses (most translations use fairies, i just knew a guy who went 8 goddesses and don't know what's the most accurate) and there being an anti-government faction working even deeper in other shadows. not a single word of this is bullshit, it's all very, very well documented (strangely, Financial Times had some of the best and most in depth coverage), and i fully recommend everyone read that for the wildest government ride. main point is that cults over there are not new and they are intense. a cult leader literally had the president fully in her control, to the point of what outfit to wear just 3 years ago.

alright, back to coronavirus: the first known carrier was part of this cult. this is an important piece of info because the reason South Korea has a Code Red right now is largely because of this one fucking cult.
this cult in particular has at times been called a death cult due to practices that seem to rush them head first towards death. they've released an official statement saying that this is "the devil's deed" sent by Satan to stop their church from spreading and they, like Job, need to hold strong to their faith. as for what that looks like, from the NYT article:

Now, health officials are zeroing in on the churchs practices as they seek to contain South Koreas alarming coronavirus outbreak, in which members of Shincheonji, along with their relatives and others who got the virus from them, account for more than half of the confirmed infections.

Unlike other churches, Shincheonji makes its members sit on the floor tightly together during services, in neat, militarylike ranks and files, said Lee Ho-yeon, who left the church in 2015. We were not supposed to have anything on our faces, like glasses or masks. We were trained to sing our hymns loudly.

We were taught not to be afraid of illness, Ms. Lee said. We were taught not to care about such worldly things like jobs, ambition or passion. Everything was focused on proselytizing, even when we were sick.

okay. so zero protection at all, got it. but again, how do we connect to Wuhan and the coronavirus? well, Patient No. 31, the first known carrier, is part of this cult and refused to be tested because she hadn't been to China or met anyone who did, far as she knows anyway. back to NYT:

Health officials were still trying to figure out how Patient No. 31 contracted the disease. Mr. Hwang noted that the church had been proselytizing among ethnic Koreans in northeastern China, many of whom it invited to South Korea.

Jung Eun-kyeong, director of the Korea Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, said the authorities were investigating reports that Shincheonji had operations in Hubei, the Chinese province that includes Wuhan, where the virus emerged. The South Korean news agency Newsis reported on Friday that Shincheonji had opened a church in Wuhan last year, and that references to it had been removed from the churchs website. Church officials could not immediately be reached for comment.

okay?
so while this theory sounds wildly insane it needs one component before becoming fully plausible: the initial carrier. as it stands...

• a south korean cult exists that has zero precautions towards disease.
• said cult has operations in China, including one church that opened in Wuhan.
• some members are extremely zealous and seem to embrace death already. this bit's not in the article but from other places and is not necessary for this theory. it's only relevant if you're going the "purposeful" route, which takes another leap of faith. just not impossible. either way, this one has an asterisk of "not relevant now, hopefully not ever, but we'll see."

the only thing we're missing is someone from the lab to have been a me

Your south Korea idea is bullshit. And the quoted used are out of context.

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how were they out of context, the context is literally paragraphs in an article explaining, in great detail, the connections between the cult and the virus.

as it stands, most of that theory is the prominent one for how south korea got the virus: patient 31 got it because the cult she's in has a branch in Wuhan. the one part that's missing is the lab connect, that's where it's falls. but the idea of someone from the Wuhan branch caught it and it made its way down through them? yeah, that's all but confirmed right now, explains that country's situation perfectly, and is how the nation is operating.


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Wanglicious posted...

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You seem to really be loving this.

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i do love south korean theories, yes. after Park in 2016, just about anything works and i'm amused that a cult is front and center, again, at the country's turmoil. i mean don't get me wrong, it's pretty shitty that a cult is the originating source for them and is also why it's spreading so quickly and expansively. it's just entertaining in a sort of "we're doing this shit again?" way. like i said in the post, the other two answers are a lot more normal and what i lean to anyway. the third is just wild but has all the right components, with the country operating on most of the idea anyway.

edit:
though i should be clear on the second one - the bioweapon theory - in that it's the accidental release of it by someone who got contaminated. it's similar to the vaccine idea, just different purposes and therefore different expectations of the virus and cures against it. the two are otherwise the same and run of the root of "coronavirus experimented on in lab, it got out."

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Wanglicious posted...

how were they out of context, the context is literally paragraphs in an article explaining, in great detail, the connections between the cult and the virus.

as it stands, most of that theory is the prominent one for how south korea got the virus: patient 31 got it because the cult she's in has a branch in Wuhan. the one part that's missing is the lab connect, that's where it's falls. but the idea of someone from the Wuhan branch caught it and it made its way down through them? yeah, that's all but confirmed right now, explains that country's situation perfectly, and is how the nation is operating.

Because the context is regarding the religious sect in Korea and the outbreak in korea. It has nothing to do with the spread of the virus initially.

Anyways. China has figured out the cause anyways.

https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1180429.shtml

American made.

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Corrik7 posted...

Because the context is regarding the religious sect in Korea and the outbreak in korea. It has nothing to do with the spread of the virus initially.

Edit: Decided the information sourced was an extreme stretch.

...and said religious sect in Korea has a church in Wuhan. right now the sequence that the government themselves is working on goes:

first known person infected, patient 31, did not go to China or knowingly have any contact with any Chinese, making how they got it a mystery.
said person is part of a cult.
said cult currently holds roughly 50% of all infections. this is largely attributed to their practices, which was what was quoted above with exactly that context: they don't defend themselves well as part of the religion.
said cult also has a church in Wuhan and proactively gets people to move between northern China and South Korea, which was exactly the context posted above.

ergo, logical conclusion is someone in the Wuhan church caught it, spread it to other church goers, and ultimately it went down to South Korea to patient 31. that's what all the context above was. they also would probably be responsible for a bunch of infections in Wuhan since that's kind of what they're known to do, purposefully or not.

in terms of an initial outbreak i said a bunch of times that it's where this theory's got a hole: it lacks a person in the lab. it's far more likely that a person infected just happened to come in contact with someone in the church, rest of the story above goes as planned, which is basically the current explanation the country's working with and trying to investigate as much as possible, though it's rather fruitless. South Korea's current situation of being 2nd worst is explained through this cult, which is why it's notable media coverage. the wild part of the theory goes on the piece where it falls apart, which honestly isn't even the most intriguing part. everything else is 10x more ridiculous, though all true.

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Why cant there ever be cool cults.

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SwiftyDC posted...

Why cant there ever be cool cults.

Urgh the Cult of Personality is cool.

There are more doctors than 3/4 dead to the best of my knowledge.

The ends justify the means is always the right approach.

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5tarscream posted...

Urgh the Cult of Personality is cool.

There are more doctors than 3/4 dead to the best of my knowledge.

The ends justify the means is always the right approach.

So many medical personal dying, especially younger than the normal hardest hit age group, might mean more exposure = more risk of death.

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Update on South Korea's cult:
39 recently made a pilgrimage to Israel earlier this month, Feb 8th-15th.
28 tested positive. the remaining 11, who knows with the way this virus hides? 14 days, 24 days, now 28 days, not including how long it lasts on items, so really nobody knows.

Israel is currently deciding what to do. they've already told a few hundred to self-quarantine but expect more drastic measures.
New Zealand has a few of those churches around and all other churches, as well as multiple media outlets, are stating warnings about it.

...in before it's revealed this cult has a church in Italy too.

Also a correction:
Patient No. 31 may not be the first person with coronavirus there but is the first of this massive new outbreak happening which is out of control. a code red over there is basically like an emergency broadcast system, which they used to tell all 51 million people in SK that they're taking drastic measures to dealing with the virus.

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Israel stock market took a hard hit yesterday and looks like today it will be another hard one
NASDAQ is to likely to see another red day
Not sure when this will end

Yes I am sorry I care about this more than the other effects of the coronavirus

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Nothing to apologize for. Your country is being hit by the market effects this virus does, which are enormous considering bigger countries like Italy and South Korea are giving out national emergencies or shutting a variety of things down. Best I can say is stock up on basic essentials and keep an eye on the elderly.


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https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1231868318635741184?s=20

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1231776208087633921?s=20

150 dead in China. Iran's numbers remain in question.

First cases reported in Kuwait, Bahrain, and Afghanistan. Almost all likely related to Iran.

Someone who tested positive for the virus has been on the US military base in SK for 3 days.

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HK government wont close the borders with China because it would be racist even after a whole month and 70k+ cases
Today they announced a travel ban from South Korea when an outbreak is just getting started there
Double standards at its finest. These people are the scum of the earth. I dont know what we did to deserve this crap.

more cult news:
general SK populace is made, made a petition to the government saying to dissolve the cult by force. over 550k signed, only 200k are needed to get a government response. so this is gonna escalate.

meanwhile the South Korean official in charge of the virus in Daegu, the 4th biggest city (2-2.5 million) and location where the vast majority of new infections are being found... was a member of the cult. it and its surrounding province are 681/833 of the new infections.

google translation of first article i saw:
"The head of Daegu Seogu Health Center's Infection Prevention Medicine Team was confirmed on the 23rd. He was confirmed as a member of the church."

confirmed there means confirmed to be infected. he revealed himself after he tested positive. so the guy on top just so happened to ruin this for everyone and i've no doubt that the government is fucking pissed since he might've spread it to other officials or possible medical staff too. "whoops."

and again, this cult is at times called a death cult or a doomsday cult because in addition to believing their leader is the immortal reincarnation of Jesus Christ, they also believe that he's going to only take the believers to heaven when the day of judgment arrives, which is soon. there's some other limits but really, it's an end-of-the-world cult fucking everyone, responsible for at least two countries flipping their shit, with locations known globally.

added bonus: cult locations known in China: Beijing, Shanghai, Wuhan.


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handsomeboy2012 posted...

Today they announced a travel ban from South Korea when an outbreak is just getting started there

this is due to the cult.
their members are over 50% of the new infections, which makes them all massive risks of being super spreaders. i do agree with the double standard bullshit you're saying but just want to give some context. right now all other countries are looking at South Korea with a giant "what the fuck is wrong with you" expression and blocking them at every chance they get because they don't want to risk it. if one member gets in, there's over a 50% chance they're infected and a 100% chance they're going to go meet with other members, infect them, and you're now quarantining hundreds.

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Iraq has their first reported case as well.

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The WHO just reported that they no longer declare pandemics and no longer have the designation.

https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN20I0N8

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What is this about a cult? If the cult conspiracy is true, how did they create a virus to infect other people with?

Moonroof posted...

What is this about a cult? If the cult conspiracy is true, how did they create a virus to infect other people with?

The thought process is that the cult spread the virus through their interactions. There is absolutely no link to them causing the virus itself.

It likely is just a religious sect that doesn't view themselves as anything differently than normal people who just religiously practice different (their religion seems tantamount to Mormons in idea tbqh). However, they congregate in large numbers and the thought is that they spread it through their congregation which spread it drastically.

The specific South Korean Wang is referencing was told to go to the hospital by doctor's because they felt the person had the virus and the person refused and went to their Church gathering and spread it greatly from there. The other half of the South Korean cases seem to have spread from a hospital patient to doctors and other patients and so on from there.

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Moonroof posted...

What is this about a cult? If the cult conspiracy is true, how did they create a virus to infect other people with?

cult, to the best of our knowledge, has nothing to do with this part. it's the one key thing missing for that aspect, it would demand someone in the cult to have worked in the lab. there is no proof of this however so it shouldn't be taken as true, it's just the craziest idea there because... well, the entire rest of reality is crazy. their spreading right now isn't due to creating a virus, it's just due to practices that demand you being in tight spaces with massive amounts of people, minimal protection, and being global missionaries. combined it makes them super spreaders and there were some recent events that would've brought together upwards of 1000 people - a funeral being one of the biggest - and they keep their membership very quiet if they can.

more in depth explanation (with right info, so fixing some earlier mistakes i had) as to who they are, why they're important, and why the entire world is looking at South Korea with great disdain right now:

there is a cult in South Korea that's viewed as a doomsday/death cult. its founder, the immortal reincarnation of Jesus Christ, will take 144,000 of his chosen people to heaven.

in this cult, you are not to wear face masks or any coverings in church, where you go next to each other. these churches are often in very tight spaces so you squeeze together and say your prayers/sing your hymns loudly. in daily life, you do not fear illness and being sick is a sin as you can't do your job as missionary as you travel around the world. the coronavirus was called the devil's deed, a test from God akin to one he gave Job, and needs to be withstood.

South Korea recently had a massive uptick in infection rates and it was all connected to a person dubbed Patient No. 31. she had no contact with China, doesn't seem to know anyone who did, but she's a member of the cult. as that got looked into, it turns out that over half of the new infections come from people of this cult.

i know of 3 places this cult has a church stationed in China: Beijing, Shanghai, and Wuhan. the last one is important as to why SK's numbers are what they are now, the other two are locations that would be devastated. so the running idea is that someone from the Wuhan branch eventually met with people that got to those in South Korea, resulting in this massive spread. upon the revelation of all this, the country put out a national emergency to all of its citizens on the virus yesterday or the day before and people are tying all the info together.

Israel was also affected as 28/39 missionaries tested positive when they came back. they were there for a week, resulting in quarantines over there.

New Zealand has their churches and papers actively spreading warnings about this cult as i believe there's 2 set up churches over there.

in the 4th biggest city, the center of the recent string of outbreaks, Daegu, the head official was revealed to be infected. he was also part of the cult.

i think that's all the major current info on it summed into one post. more info will be dug into them globally because they've got places around the world, including some in California. everyone's mad, especially the rest of the South Koreans because this is at least their 3rd drama with a cult in the past 6 years.

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I see. Man, I hope this virus stops spreading. I dont know much about viruses or how to stop them. I guess we need a cure.

NASDAQ is suiciding
This is painful to watch
Curse you, COVID-19

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It will come back up.

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The cult thing is interesting that they are contributing so much to spreading it around and their general place in South Korean society, but the notion that they are the ones that brought it out of the lab it was created in or something is silly, it's ridiculous Wang even started with that as a theory, because after all his descriptions of what the cult is and what they are linked to, he said "the only thing we're missing is someone from the lab to have been a member. " Yeah, that's kind of key to saying there is a theory that they caused the outbreak.....

It just seems that they had people in Wuhan or the surrounding area and caught the virus just like everyone else there and then took it outside.

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