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https://www.reddit.com/r/unpopularopinion/comments/ez9yt7/young_men_are_dropping_out_of_society_because_its/

The majority of homeless people are men. The majority of suicide deaths are men. Young men graduate college less than young women. Young women are out-earning young men. Single women are more likely to own a home than single men. There are gross discrepancies in the amount of government aid available to men and that available to women.
Yet I've never seen women marching to end male homelessness. I've never heard a radio ad about raising money for prostate cancer. I've never seen a commercial asking men if maybe it's time to give college a second chance. Literally, nobody cares if you live or die. Nobody cares if you're educated or fulfilled. Nobody cares about you.
And you will be openly mocked, belittled, and humiliated if you don't fit into the predefined social mold that exists for men. Homeless? Fuck off. Small dick? Haha. Suicidal? Ew.
Why bother trying to be part of society that at best ignores you, and at worst is openly antagonistic towards you? I've seen so many articles like this: "Why are young men dropping out? It must be because educated women scare them." They always come to the same, obtuse, and illogical conclusions. "Men are just stupid/lazy/useless/onerous in some way, I guess. Women are better anyways."

Young men are dropping out because they are treated by society like actual, literal disposable objects. That's the real reason.
Edit: To everyone asking me in the comments why women should be responsible for helping men, this is the reason: Feminism by its literal definition is about fostering gender equality. If men are disproportionately negatively affected by things like homelessness, violence, a lack of education, and presumptions of criminality, then these are inherently feminist issues. If you are a feminist that doesn't care about male problems, then you are not a feminist.

Dick is abundant and of low value,

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That's not incel, unless he's starts suggesting that these problems can be solved by women fucking any dude that wants her.

But yeah, I agree with the overall message. If you're a guy, you're more or less on your own out there. If you're not on top, society doesn't value you. We can't all be king, so where does that leave the rest of us?

Now that not to say that you should just give up or that women live a carefree life, just it would be nice if more people cared.

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Megaman50100 posted...

Dick is abundant and of low value,

I have heard there is more women than men on planet Earth.

WingsOfGood posted...

I have heard there is more women than men on planet Earth.

Most of them are fat and/or need thick-rimmed eyewear.

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Is he wrong, though? I don't think so. He brings up some valid points.

Also:

Umbreon posted...

That's not incel, unless he's starts suggesting that these problems can be solved by women fucking any dude that wants her.

He sounds like a cancer stain pretending to be a human.
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Remember, men asking to be cared for like a human for a bit, like others ask to be treated like, makes said men mosterish incels.


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Umbreon posted...

That's not incel, unless he's starts suggesting that these problems can be solved by women f***ing any dude that wants her.

Typically a man dropping out of society becomes a NEET or an Incel.

In other words, they not dating women and blaming society on their present state.

That is very incel or incelish indeed.

Or a hermit.

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Is Movember not a thing in America? It's quite popular here.

Talking about the prostate cancer awareness thing.

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Conflict posted...

Is TC darkphoenix? You sound just like him

I always support men and have been called an incel by some here before.

I agree with what the redditor posted.
Why you think he sounds like me?

I agree with the intent of his message but not necessarily the wording.

But what he's taking about is what leads to Incels growing and becoming more and populous. When a society is so focused on the other gender and seems to be intent on ignoring you and your plight of course you're going to get a bunch of people who become toxic individuals

I mean, people talk about homelessness a lot. Or is he saying we should center homelessness ad a gender issue?
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One big deal with dudes is they try to do ehat society says and persue women but just get called creepy without any constructive criticism. So they keep failing and have no idea how to change it until they get angry.

I've been saying for years that we're leaving young boys/men behind. I don't think it's so much that we're screwing over males, but that society has grown a lot in raising and supporting young women for modern society. We've focused so much on what a woman's role in modern society should be, but now it's time to adjust how we treat and raise young men. I think a lot of them are influenced by old values for what men are and should be, but are not longer capable of doing in a modern, egalitarian society. Or rather, I think this was the case for men who are currently in their 20s and maybe in their teens. Tbh, I wouldn't be surprised if modern parenting practices are already changing to adjust for the male's changing role in society and boys won't be underperforming girls in 10-15 years.

I also don't think egalitarian values have translated into people's perception of attractiveness and relationship dynamics well enough. There are plenty of studies showing that women still want a man who makes more money and is better educated than them, and men want the opposite in a women (with articles often framed as "there aren't enough date-able men"), despite the fact that young women are more educated and financially stronger than young men these days. Ostensibly it is implicit that fighting for equal pay and treatment in the work place will naturally come with disassociating the man out earning the woman being a point of satisfaction or dissatisfaction in a relationship, but obviously it did not.

Edit: An important caveat is that I do not thing men have it worse than women. In most adult contexts, the opposite is true imo. But young men are facing a new society while being taught the values of an old one, and it's resulting in some nasty trends I think.

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emblem boy posted...

I mean, people talk about homelessness a lot. Or is he saying we should center homelessness ad a gender issue?

He's talking about you hear and see programs to reduce female homelessness. You see women's shelters. You see programs like WIC. but you never see male equivalents or they're never talked about or receive substantially less funding or supprot

MachineJaipur posted...

He's talking about you hear and see programs to reduce female homelessness. You see women's shelters. You see programs like WIC. but you never see male equivalents or they're never talked about or receive substantially less funding or supprot

According to wiki that program seems to be for low-income pregnant women, breastfeeding women and kids under 5. Who do need extra care than just a standard shelter.

Are there really not programs that help out male homelessness in America?

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MachineJaipur posted...

emblem boy posted...

I mean, people talk about homelessness a lot. Or is he saying we should center homelessness ad a gender issue?

He's talking about you hear and see programs to reduce female homelessness. You see women's shelters. You see programs like WIC. but you never see male equivalents or they're never talked about or receive substantially less funding or supprot

I hear about shelters in general. And when I hear about increasing women shelters, I guess I wouldn't assume that means decreasing the default shelters. If anything, wouldn't the women in the default shelters move to the women shelters, leaving open spaces for more men?

And WIC and stuff has to do with kids right?
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Another thing is women culturally can receive help from each other.

Like they will form close groups and be like go girl and stuff. Hugs. Sleepovers, etc.

Meanwhile, I just learned my buddy been jobless for a few months from his wife. I even asked him how his job been the other day and he was like all good.
Kinda hard to encourage and assist another dude when they act like that.

GAMERS RlSE UP

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emblem boy posted...

I hear about shelters in general. And when I hear about increasing women shelters, I guess I wouldn't assume that means decreasing the default shelters. If anything, wouldn't the women in the default shelters move to the women shelters, leaving open spaces for more men?

And WIC and stuff has to do with kids right?

Yes but that's more what he was getting at. You hear about these female driven or female only programs but never "only for men" or male focused endeavors.

Which is in part because that stuff probably wouldn't advertise well.

darkphoenix181 posted...

Meanwhile, I just learned my buddy been jobless for a few months from his wife. I even asked him how his job been the other day and he was like all good.
Kinda hard to encourage and assist another dude when they act like that.

When you've been conditioned to believe that a man asking for help is weakness and they they should always be the main provider, can you blame him?

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WingsOfGood posted...

The majority of homeless people are men. The majority of suicide deaths are men. Young men graduate college less than young women. Young women are out-earning young men. Single women are more likely to own a home than single men. There are gross discrepancies in the amount of government aid available to men and that available to women.
Yet I've never seen women marching to end male homelessness. I've never heard a radio ad about raising money for prostate cancer. I've never seen a commercial asking men if maybe it's time to give college a second chance. Literally, nobody cares if you live or die. Nobody cares if you're educated or fulfilled. Nobody cares about you.
And you will be openly mocked, belittled, and humiliated if you don't fit into the predefined social mold that exists for men. Homeless? Fuck off. Small dick? Haha. Suicidal? Ew.
Why bother trying to be part of society that at best ignores you, and at worst is openly antagonistic towards you? I've seen so many articles like this: "Why are young men dropping out? It must be because educated women scare them." They always come to the same, obtuse, and illogical conclusions. "Men are just stupid/lazy/useless/onerous in some way, I guess. Women are better anyways."

Young men are dropping out because they are treated by society like actual, literal disposable objects. That's the real reason.
Edit: To everyone asking me in the comments why women should be responsible for helping men, this is the reason: Feminism by its literal definition is about fostering gender equality. If men are disproportionately negatively affected by things like homelessness, violence, a lack of education, and presumptions of criminality, then these are inherently feminist issues. If you are a feminist that doesn't care about male problems, then you are not a feminist.

And that's what this is really about.

MachineJaipur posted...

Yes but that's more what he was getting at. You hear about these female driven or female only programs but never "only for men" or male focused endeavors.

Which is in part because that stuff probably wouldn't advertise well.

Aren't the women shelters generally focused on stuff like kids or hiding from abusive partners or recovering from sexual assault and the like?

What would a 'only for men' homeless program look like and what would It focus on?

Tbh it's probably a pretty good idea to separate genders in homeless shelters to begin with. Wouldn't surprise me if a lot of them do. But that still wouldn't really be a men focused homeless program.

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darkphoenix181 posted...

Another thing is women culturally can receive help from each other.

Like they will form close groups and be like go girl and stuff. Hugs. Sleepovers, etc.

Meanwhile, I just learned my buddy been jobless for a few months from his wife. I even asked him how his job been the other day and he was like all good.
Kinda hard to encourage and assist another dude when they act like that.

This is the kind of stuff I mean when I say men weren't raised right. In general, I think young men need to be raised with more traditionally "feminine" traits in the way feminism has gotten society to raise women with more "masculine" traits. Things like social and emotional intelligence.

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MachineJaipur posted...

emblem boy posted...

I hear about shelters in general. And when I hear about increasing women shelters, I guess I wouldn't assume that means decreasing the default shelters. If anything, wouldn't the women in the default shelters move to the women shelters, leaving open spaces for more men?

And WIC and stuff has to do with kids right?

Yes but that's more what he was getting at. You hear about these female driven or female only programs but never "only for men" or male focused endeavors.

Which is in part because that stuff probably wouldn't advertise well.

Well the WIC one makes sense as to why it's woman focused, but it should be obvious it mainly has to do with kids, so it's not as if men are excluded.

The shelter one, I mean, I guess I don't see the benefit of specifically advertising a male only shelter. It's woman only, but I'd guess I'd have to see how the numbers actually look like in regards to if it actually ends up removing space Fromm men.

Anyway, the homelessness aspect seems like a weak argument. There are many ways I think that men are ignored, but homelessness is talked about by everyone.
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WingsOfGood posted...

Young men are dropping out because they are treated by society like actual, literal disposable objects.

There's literally nothing wrong with NEETdom

Darmik posted...

Aren't the women shelters generally focused on stuff like kids or hiding from abusive partners or recovering from sexual assault and the like?

What would a 'only for men' homeless program look like and what would It focus on?

Tbh it's probably a pretty good idea to separate genders in homeless shelters to begin with. Wouldn't surprise me if a lot of them do. But that still wouldn't really be a men focused homeless program.

I don't think that it's about "for women" so much as a cultural attitude. There's no social shame in going to a woman's shelter if fleeing abuse. It's even heralded as a form of triumph. There's little to no such cheering a man needing similar help. Jonny Depp needed audio recording before he thought people would take the idea his ex abused him seriously, while for a while, she could be blindly believed when she said it was all him.

And that's only the start of things. Men have to toughen up and deal with issues, or endure them because if you dare bring up the idea, historically you were unmanly and a wimp, today you're an MRA incel woman hater full of "white male rage" or whatever the dismissive term is today. There just isn't the same support system there if you need it, and for much of the last few years, vilification if you suggested men might need some support of their own.

Then we wonder why men that felt they couldn't seek help and wouldn't get it if they tried, fell into mental inless and wind up homeless and suicidal.

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But men have all the rights!!!!!!!!

Seriously though, the discussion of gender dynamics in current society is a very complicated one. Reducing it to women have it so hard and men so easy is overly reductionist and does nothing, but achieve emotional appeal.

Things like the gender gap statistic (let's just call it a myth) are really dumb and people keep repeating it as if it tells the whole picture.

A big deal with the gender gap is when you account for an individuals race on top of their gender then things get way more complicated. Basically Asian men and women out earn everybody. White women are barely behind white men and they are above black men. Hispanic women do the worst and black women don't do a ton better. This statistic also just refers to total earnings and doesn't account for job type or hours worked. It also doesn't account for benefits, vacation time, work conditions, or really anything else whatsoever, but gross pay on a yearly basis averaged down to a per hour percentage.

Oh yeah, men die on the job at a way higher rate than women so perhaps they SHOULD be earning more at least in said dangerous occupations.

Basically, modern feminism relies on weak talking points that don't hold up to basic scrutiny. There are A LOT of advantages to being a women on top of the disadvantages. Whether it is easier being a male or female depends on an awful lot of factors so it is ultimately a case by case basis.

Honestly though, it is all about money. Doesn't matter your race, religion, gender, whatever as long as you have money. If that part is in order then it largely outweighs any other negative you could face in life.

I'm just saying, but I've met way too many women who were gender studies majors at worst or psychology majors at best who complained endlessly about women having it so hard meanwhile their parents pay for all of their tuition. Stuff like that really makes me want to vomit.

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That's pretty much my lot in life.

Zero value, zero hope, I'm going to grow old and die in this homeless shelter, same as so many other guys here. Just trash collecting at the bottom waiting to get swept away.
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darkphoenix181 posted...

Another thing is women culturally can receive help from each other.

Like they will form close groups and be like go girl and stuff. Hugs. Sleepovers, etc.

Meanwhile, I just learned my buddy been jobless for a few months from his wife. I even asked him how his job been the other day and he was like all good.
Kinda hard to encourage and assist another dude when they act like that.

^ why you quote dat?

Same happen to you?

Don't nobody care about dudes

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Darmik posted...

Are there really not programs that help out male homelessness in America?

Yes there are plenty.

There's just a few extra shelters for women because the conditions in the unisex shelters get out of hand typically by men making it very hard for women to be safe in them especially women with young children so the unisex shelters end up by default over time the male shelters while the women have to seek out women / women+children shelters.

That would hurt his argument though so he doesn't mention it.

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No shit, men have it much harder.

Doesnt mean most of these incel neets should give up though

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I always knew in the back of my mind that it was WOMENS fault that I dropped out of university and ended up doing nothing with my life. And now, I am finally validated.

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WingsOfGood posted...

Typically a man dropping out of society becomes a NEET or an Incel.

In other words, they not dating women and blaming society on their present state.

That is very incel or incelish indeed.

No its not. It's a man that lives for himself and wont sacrifice his time, wealth, resources or happiness for woman and society that gives zero f***s about him.

This brings about a deeper issue.

That the mere concept of a man being happy and productive without a woman in their lives is such a unbelievable concept that such man are immediately deemed a incel, NEET, misogynist or etc.

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Prismsblade posted...

This brings about a deeper issue.

That the mere concept of a man being happy and productive without a woman in their lives is such a unbelievable concept that such man are immediately deemed a incel, NEET, misogynist or etc.

Good point.

Strong independent women needing no man are a thing and even applauded.

The same idea executed by a man would have him painted as a bitter misogynist or absolute loser.

Will society every start thinking of the men?

They're almost as oppressed as gamers.

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hockeybub89 posted...

Will society every start thinking of the men?

They're almost as oppressed as gamers.

Smh

Wow, look at the amount of awards he got.

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What definition of 'productive' are you using here?

I've never heard of a successful, independent, career driven man being called a loser because he's single.

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St0rmFury posted...

Wow, look at the amount of awards he got.

For speaking a super duper "unpopular" opinion.

-winky face

That's some MRA stuff, not incel. Incels are buttmad no-one will have sex with them, and their whole thing is about fucking - in a way, it's a de-evolution of pick-up artists where they were pathetic cock-goblins who worked hard to bank on picking up drunk girls, or who believed that any backlash against them could be dissuaded with "facts and logic" that was all self-serving bluster.

MRAs are the guys who go "men commit suicide more, we die in jobs more, women have it easier than us and men can't talk about that because then the feminists call it 'misogyny'." They subsequently "evolved" into "Meninists", which was trolled to hell and back, and the movement more or less folded into incel shit because it was the only group of dipshits big enough to sustain their bad-faith arguments.

This post is probably the straightest example of a MRA post in years. It's all just been dipshits fantasizing about spraying stale sperm onto bus seats and forcing the government to assign them wives.

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This is interesting because despite women getting higher earning/status positions in society, they still seem to have this innate desire to marry another man who is of even higher status or who would still be the breadwinner.

Eg.
Male Doctor would have no issues dating the cute female nurse or female retail worker but a
Female Doctor pretty much would most likely never want to date the handsome male nurse or male retail worker.

Heck in my sisters workplace she said that the other female accountants were basically mocking the idea of hiring a male receptionist and how that would be so weird when they were in the hiring process lol

MrMallard posted...

MRAs are the guys who go "men commit suicide more, we die in jobs more, women have it easier than us and men can't talk about that because then the feminists call it 'misogyny'.

This is where the conversation always goes off track. At the end of the day both genders deal with their own shitty issues. Men don't know what it's like being creeped on by old men in the store when they're thirteen. Women don't know what it's like to be bullied because they're bad at sports in school.

It shouldn't be a competition or about who has it harder or easier than the other. We're all individuals and there's no objective experience. The only thing that matters is trying to make things better for everyone and tackling the issues that people face. It's not one or the other.

Society has a problem talking about issues. Whether it's stuff like male depression or #MeToo. People just keep being combative over it and it doesn't help when people bring up other movements to say things are unfair.

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