Current Events > Why are people so confident about Bernie beating Biden

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Yes, he might win Iowa, and most likely New Hampshire, maybe Nevada/ but he performed only well in the Midwest and Pacific Northwest and I dont see this changing this year either.

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He wont win any of the primaries in the southern states with high black populations

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I hope Bernie gets it. Who the hell supports Biden in real life? The guy can barely form a coherent sentence.

Biden's appeal is his electability; that'll take a real hit if Sanders wins three of the first four states.
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Antifar posted...

Biden's appeal is his electability; that'll take a real hit if Sanders wins three of the first four states.

Yeah, primaries aren't independent events: voter opinion in future primaries will be influenced by the outcomes of previous primaries.
I mean, Biden is basically where Hillary was in 2008. Ask Hilldawg how well losing 3 out of the 4 first contests went.

XXmiznatorXX posted...

I hope Bernie gets it. Who the hell supports Biden in real life? The guy can barely form a coherent sentence.

He isnt a socialist. People tend to not like communism in our government.

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Duncanwii posted...

He isnt a socialist. People tend to not like communism in our government.

Sanders isn't a socialist

Also shut up Duncan

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I follow left commentators pretty extensively and I don't know a single one who is 'so confident' that Bernie will beat Biden for the nomination.
There is reason to be very cautiously optimistic.

If Biden wins Iowa, Bernie is finished, and Biden is leading in the latest polls

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AngelsNAirwav3s posted...

If Biden wins Iowa, Bernie is finished, and Biden is leading in the latest polls

Bernie *will* outperform polling.

Poll: Bernie leads Trump by widest margin of all candidates

Senator Bernie Sanders leads President Donald Trump by the widest margin of all the candidates in the Democratic Party's 2020 race when Americans are asked to choose in a face-off against the Republican incumbent, according to a poll.

SurveyUSA asked 4,069 registered voters nationwide how they would vote in an election today if Trump was pitted against each of the 2020 candidates in the Democratic race. The progressive Vermont independent came out on top.

The poll found that 52 percent of voters would choose Sanders and 43 percent Trump, giving the veteran senator a nine-point lead. Next was former vice president Joe Biden at 50 percent to Trump's 43 percent, a seven-point lead.

Michael Bloomberg, the media and financial data billionaire, also led Trump by seven points at 49 percent to 42 percent. Democratic Massachusetts Senator Elizabeth Warren leads Trump 48 percent to 45 percent, a three-point advantage.

Pete Buttigieg, the former mayor of South Bend, Indiana, is also ahead of Trump by three points, at 47 percent to 44 percent. The tech entrepreneur Andrew Yang is ahead of Trump by two points, at 46 percent to 44 percent.

The billionaire hedge fund manager Tom Steyer is tied with Trump at 44 percent apiece, Democratic Minnesota Senator Amy Klobuchar loses to Trump by two points at 43 percent to 45 percent.

Democratic Hawaii Congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard loses to Trump by five points at 39 percent to 44 percent.

https://www.newsweek.com/bernie-sanders-trump-poll-election-2020-biden-bloomberg-1483423

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Bernie tied with Biden among African- Americans, polls say

Sanders has also gained more support with African-American voters according to a poll conducted by VICE News and Ipsos.

While 54 percent of African-American voters said they would consider voting for Biden, 56 percent said they would consider voting for Sanders, numbers the poll considers to be a "statistical tie."

Sanders also has a 10 percent lead over Biden among the Hispanic community with Sanders grabbing 47 percent of its support, while Biden has 37 percent.

"Despite frequently being described as a 'socialist' or 'too liberal,' Bernie Sanders has as many, if not more, minority Americans considering voting for him as any other candidates," Ipsos Public Affairs Vice President Chris Jackson told VICE News.

https://www.newsweek.com/bernie-sanders-tied-joe-biden- democratic-race-nationally-among-african-american-community-polls-1482864

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Duncanwii posted...

He isnt a socialist. People tend to not like communism in our government.

He's not a communist. Also Venezuela's(also not socialist) economy is doing better so no one can hold that over Bernie's head anymore.

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ledbowman posted...

Bernie tied with Biden among African- Americans, polls say

https://www.newsweek.com/bernie-sanders-tied-joe-biden- democratic-race-nationally-among-african-american-community-polls-1482864

Come on, man!

We're not confident, we're hopeful that he does.

Frankly, all these hit pieces getting paired with rising poll numbers as well as places like CNN and MSNBC starting to finally acknowledge as of this morning(both ran segments on it) that "Oh shit....Bernie may actually win this thing", tell me that there's something to it. If they really thought he'd fizzle out or that they didn't think it was all real they wouldn't be coming this hard at him.

And frankly, people are still missing the point about Trump's momentum and under the radar support that we saw happen with the Republican primary last time. Social media impressions, crowd sizes, grass root donations, all of these things parallel the two of them. The Republican media wrote attack article after attack article, and rightfully so IMO on Trump and the only thing it did was help empower Trump and his movement and the same people who in 2016 said "Uh guys, you're not stopping him..." are saying the same thing about Sanders now. The establishment press may not want to admit it but you'd be stupid to NOT see the parallels

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I saw Biden on yt the other day talking about his son who died from brain cancer, made me sad. Joe seems like a good father who loves his kids, thats cool to me. Same for Obama.

I dont think Biden is a bad dude at all. He is weird though. But it was also funny when he said back in the day hed take Trump out back and whoop his ass. I like that.

And Trump tweeted out, "Joe would go down hard and fast" lmao, i love this shit. Freakin old dudes puffing their chests out.

Webmaster4531 posted...

Also Venezuela's(also not socialist) economy is doing better so no one can hold that over Bernie's head anymore.

You've been called out on this before, why continue to lie?

Keith_Valentine posted...

I saw Biden on yt the other day talking about his son who died from brain cancer, made me sad. Joe seems like a good father who loves his kids, thats cool to me. Same for Obama.

I dont think Biden is a bad dude at all. He is weird though. But it was also funny when he said back in the day hed take Trump out back and whoop his ass. I like that.

And Trump tweeted out, "Joe would go down hard and fast" lmao, i love this shit. Freakin old dudes puffing their chests out.

you are just the coolest

Bernie beating Biden - say that 5 times fast

Broseph_Stalin posted...

You've been called out on this before, why continue to lie?

What? You ran away with your tail between your legs. By all means write an actual retort.

https://thegrayzone.com/2020/01/08/final-episode-juan-guaido-surreal-regime-change-reality-show/

Despite the pain caused by the US policy of hybrid war, Venezuela has, against all odds, started to recover economically.
Oil production is up; oil income is up; a tariff on goods from the United States was lifted (flooding the country with products like Nutella that used to be rare treasures just six months ago); and Venezuelas digital currency, the Petro, was successfully introduced to the public.
Whats more, the social safety net has been strengthened through the governments CLAP food distribution program, which now reaches 7 million families every month.
The Great Housing Mission is another success story, as it marked the construction of the 3 millionth home for poor and working-class Venezuelans. Using an estimate of four people per household, which is low for many Venezuelans, that means that at least 12 million people out of a population of 30 million live in quality, low-to-no-cost housing.
Simple math shows that nearly twice as many Venezuelans live in government-built homes than those who vote for Chavismo. This is a huge sector of the population that has directly benefited from government programs, that doesnt exclusively blame President Maduro for its difficulties, and that is turned off by extremist positions.
Without these votes, the opposition cannot win elections unless they are rigged. These are the voters the moderate opposition is counting on, and its not inconceivable that the moderates will become a majority within the opposition when the 2020 legislative elections are held.I

InB4 you attack the source without an actual rebuttal.

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Webmaster4531 posted...

What? You ran away with your tail between your legs.

The archive is a thing, I really wouldn't keep lying if I were you. You posted an uncited opinion piece from a propaganda site and I corrected you.

Venezuela's economy contracted 15% in 2017, 19% in 2018 and 35% in 2019. If you're all caught up with elementary school math, you'll notice that's the exact opposite of getting better.

https://tinyurl.com/sr2r35z

I feel like Bernie will be a supremely great leader and will shake up Dems like none other. He is a neccessary evolution to the revolution that Trump ignited and now he will take the country into a new prosperity.

Bernie 2020, baby.

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Webmaster4531 posted...

InB4 you attack the source without an actual rebuttal.

I'm going to keep attacking you for posting opinion pieces from propaganda websites, yeah. Learn how to think for yourself and you won't say stupid shit like "Venezuela is getting better!"

Broseph_Stalin posted...

The archive is a thing, I really wouldn't keep lying if I were you. You posted an uncited opinion piece from a propaganda site and I corrected you.

Venezuela's economy contracted 15% in 2017, 19% in 2018 and 35% in 2019. If you're all caught up with elementary school math, you'll notice that's the exact opposite of getting better.

https://tinyurl.com/sr2r35z

My website has many citations. WTF, at least read what you're rebutting.

Also your 2019 estimate was an estimate.

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Webmaster4531 posted...

My website has many citations. WTF, at least read what you're rebutting.

Their own youtube channel and RussiaToday are not citations my dude, that is a literal propaganda website. You might as well be posting infowars.

Get help.

https://apnews.com/c552a9b1a14be2ebf32a21ebd1f9506c

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That's a nice article about rising oil prices, doesn't have anything to do with Venezuela though.

Their economy is literally in a great depression sized contraction, that is an objective fact. Go find something better to do than lick boots all the time.

Broseph_Stalin posted...

Their own youtube channel and RussiaToday are not citations my dude, that is a literal propaganda website. You might as well be posting infowars.

Get help.

Post the RussiaToday link because it's not a citation in my excerpt.

Broseph_Stalin posted...

That's a nice article about rising oil prices, doesn't have anything to do with Venezuela though.

Their economy is literally in a great depression sized contraction, that is an objective fact. Go find something better to do than lick boots all the time.

Everyone agrees that Venezuela's problems started because they're too oil dependant.

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Did I miss something? Nobody is acting like it's a sure thing, but we are hopeful and there's a lot of reason to be.

Last election showed that America doesn't want a moderate candidate like Biden, even though Democrats are convinced they do.

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https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Venezuela-Is-Quietly-Ramping-Up-Oil-Production.html

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Venezuela is a shithole Webmaster, where are you getting your facts? And you said they arent socialist? Lmao

Now defend Cubas healthcare system next, Michael Moore. Praise Castro, champion of the working class. Totally not communist btw.

Keith_Valentine posted...

Now defend Cubas healthcare system next,

https://tinyurl.com/ycy5dz9h

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Keith_Valentine posted...

And you said they arent socialist? Lmao

https://www.thenation.com/article/why-is-venezuela-in-crisis/

Second, while Venezuela has moved away from free-market capitalism, its economy is hardly socialist. The private sector, not the state (and still less the social economy), controls the overwhelming majority of economic activity. Between 1999 and 2011, the private sectors share of economic activity increased, from 65 percent to 71 percent

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This whole site is sleeping on Bloomberg. Buy shares on predictit now

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Oh really?

https://academic.oup.com/heapol/article/33/6/760/5035053

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/think-the-cuban-healthcare-system-is-ideal-no-cigar-not-even-close

Suchomimus posted...

He wont win any of the primaries in the southern states with high black populations

Bernie is now leading nationally with non white

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Keith_Valentine posted...

Oh really?

https://academic.oup.com/heapol/article/33/6/760/5035053

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/think-the-cuban-healthcare-system-is-ideal-no-cigar-not-even-close

How did that refute they invented a vaccine you can't get in the U.S.?

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Who was Hugo Chavez? Founder of the Venezuelan Socialist Party. Who was his chosen successor? Maduro.

https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/socialism-blame-venezuelas-crisis-180530095418091.html

Keith_Valentine posted...

Oh really?

https://academic.oup.com/heapol/article/33/6/760/5035053

first sentence:
Fidel Castros death and the announced resignation of Raul Castro as President of Cuba offer the opportunity to revisit, among other things, the Cuban health system which has been praised by a significant proportion of the global public health community for decades.

fucking solid post bro
congrats on finding one contrarian propagandist, anyway

Bernie is the best candidate tho.
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Keith_Valentine posted...

Who was Hugo Chavez? Founder of the Venezuelan Socialist Party. Who was his chosen successor? Maduro.

https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/socialism-blame-venezuelas-crisis-180530095418091.html

I already posted a rebuttal to that. I also see /opinion/ in that link.

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Webmaster4531 posted...

How did that refute they invented a vaccine you can't get in the U.S.?

I dunno, how does one vaccine override the fact they pay their doctors shit, their infrastructure is crumbling, and people have to travel to get decent healthcare because the hospitals are under funded and many of the doctors leave the country to provide aid in foreign countries which creates revenue the state embezzles?

Their doctors are heroes in spite of their shitty system, not because of it.

Omnislasher posted...

first sentence:
Fidel Castros death and the announced resignation of Raul Castro as President of Cuba offer the opportunity to revisit, among other things, the Cuban health system which has been praised by a significant proportion of the global public health community for decades.

fucking solid post bro
congrats on finding one contrarian propagandist, anyway

https://democraciaparticipativa.net/derechos-humanos-h-rights/perspectivas-perspectives/15168-cuba-s-healthcare-crisis-deepens.html

La la la la. Cuz a communist government would never lie or manipulate statistics, right? No way!

Keith_Valentine posted...

I dunno, how does one vaccine override the fact they pay their doctors shit, their infrastructure is crumbling, and people have to travel to get decent healthcare because the hospitals are under funded and many of the doctors leave the country to provide aid in foreign countries which creates revenue the state embezzles?

Their doctors are heroes in spite of their shitty system, not because of it.

Really doesn't matter much to my original post about Venezuela. It's just something I knew about that the American industry couldn't replicate and you asked. I don't need to defend a communist country.

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Yeaaaaaa but you tried to make your little point, didnt you Webmaster?

I also proved Venezuela has been ruled by authoritarian socialists and you disagreed with that too. Like, you never heard of Huge Chavez?

Keith_Valentine posted...

Yeaaaaaa but you tried to make your little point, didnt you Webmaster?

I also proved Venezuela has been ruled by authoritarian socialists and you disagreed with that too. Like, you never heard of Huge Chavez?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Jazeera_controversies_and_criticism

https://www.thenation.com/article/why-is-venezuela-in-crisis/

First, Venezuela is not a dictatorship. The ruling United Socialist Party of Venezuela (PSUV), formerly the Fifth Republic Movement (MVR), has been repeatedly affirmed at the polls, winning twelve of fifteen major elections between 1998 and 2015. The government has won these elections cleanly, and has immediately conceded on the rare occasions when it has suffered defeat, including last Decembers parliamentary elections.

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Webmaster4531 posted...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Jazeera_controversies_and_criticism

...and? What are you disputing? I dont like them either, doesnt change the fact Venezuela was ruled by socialists and Cuba sucks. Do you need more sources?

You also praised the Venezuelan economy, which is in a crisis and recession.

Webmaster4531 posted...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Jazeera_controversies_and_criticism

https://www.thenation.com/article/why-is-venezuela-in-crisis/

That second link counters what you said earlier. How do you think that helps you?