Poll of the Day > This is the first* time I've seen systemic racism in action...

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https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/detroit/2020/01/23/tcf-bank-race-discrimination-case-sauntore-thomas/4546199002/

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According to police, the bank's computer system read the checks as fraudulent.

Not even.
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So since it was a black dude they jumped straight to calling the cops instead of taking a moment to I dunno call the organization that printed the checks to find out if they were legitimate

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The more astonishing part of this story is that there are still people and banks in Detroit.
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ParanoidObsessive posted...

The more astonishing part of this story is that there are still people and banks in Detroit.

My favourite comment from reddit about this is that the man wasn't allowed to disclose his settlement, but the bank disclosed it for him :/

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Mead posted...

So since it was a black dude they jumped straight to calling the cops instead of taking a moment to I dunno call the organization that printed the checks to find out if they were legitimate

It IS worth noting that it was a bank in a place where the overall population is like 85% black, 7% white. While racism isn't out of the question, there's the distinct possibility that he's overplaying his hand and making accusations when other explanations exist. Especially if a significant amount of the bank staff were themselves black.

There's way too many details missing from the story that kind of make it clickbait sensationalism.
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I had 300 in my account. I tried cashing a check for 2k from another bank. Despite calling the other bank to make sure it was legit, it was still on hold for 2 weeks

There's no racism here in my story. And there's none in the other one, especially considering it was black manager who called the cops after the checks came up as fraudulent

Nonstory being made into something it's not.

ParanoidObsessive posted...

It IS worth noting that it was a bank in a place where the overall population is like 85% black, 7% white. While racism isn't out of the question, there's the distinct possibility that he's overplaying his hand and making accusations when other explanations exist. Especially if a significant amount of the bank staff were themselves black.

There's way too many details missing from the story that kind of make it clickbait sensationalism.

you forgot to say to be fair so your post is void, sorry

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itt: only white people have biases against black people.

Fam_Fam posted...

itt: only white people have biases against black people.

This was my first thought as well. Apparently being of the same ethnicity makes you completely immune to intense social biases according to gamefaqs.

There is a long standing colloquialism to go along with it for anyone who wasn't aware - crabby behavior, along the lines of "crabs in a bucket."

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Mead posted...

you forgot to say to be fair so your post is void, sorry

Nah, because I used "it's worth noting", which is another of my dialogue crutches. So parity is maintained.
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MacrossSpecial posted...

This was my first thought as well. Apparently being of the same ethnicity makes you completely immune to intense social biases according to gamefaqs.

Without a ethnic difference, you lack evidence to claim a social bias.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

Without a ethnic difference, you lack evidence to claim a social bias.

what are you talking about?

no one is providing any evidence of anything here, or in most of these kind of cases. we just assume based on race whatever we think makes sense.

"This is the first* time I've seen systemic racism in action..."

But we have people who think non-Whites play the race card in regards to racism. Institutional racism is alive and well in America and always has been but at least you an admit you've witnessed it because we have countless people in this country who sweep it under a rug as if it doesn't exist and we all know it does whether we admit or not.

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Fam_Fam posted...

what are you talking about?

no one is providing any evidence of anything here, or in most of these kind of cases. we just assume based on race whatever we think makes sense.

There is no evidence of anything so nobody should pull racism out of their asses. Police say it flagged a fraud thing, that's perfectly reasonable.
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So if a black bank teller refused to cash the check of a white person, would the black bank teller be racist? Something tells me that gamefaqss hoards of low IQ SJW orcs wouldnt be whining about that, and that wouldnt be a news story either.

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EventualDecline posted...

So if a black bank teller refused to cash the check of a white person, would the black bank teller be racist?

SUPER racist

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CTLM posted...

I had 300 in my account. I tried cashing a check for 2k from another bank. Despite calling the other bank to make sure it was legit, it was still on hold for 2 weeks

There's no racism here in my story. And there's none in the other one, especially considering it was black manager who called the cops after the checks came up as fraudulent

Nonstory being made into something it's not.

They hold everything over a certain amount. I had a few-thousand-dollar cheque from the bank I go to (another account) and they still held it.

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zebatov posted...

They hold everything over a certain amount. I had a few-thousand-dollar cheque from the bank I go to (another account) and they still held it.

Maybe they're just being racist like the guy in the story is claiming

ParanoidObsessive posted...

It IS worth noting that it was a bank in a place where the overall population is like 85% black, 7% white. While racism isn't out of the question, there's the distinct possibility that he's overplaying his hand and making accusations when other explanations exist. Especially if a significant amount of the bank staff were themselves black.

There's way too many details missing from the story that kind of make it clickbait sensationalism.

It even says that the assistant manager who made the decision to call the police was black so apparently shes self racist.

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aDirtyShisno posted...

It even says that the assistant manager who made the decision to call the police was black so apparently shes self racist.

do you think that black people cant be racist?

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CTLM posted...

Maybe they're just being racist like the guy in the story is claiming

except in these situations they put the check on hold

you might have felt a bit different if they had instead just called the cops on you

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Kyuubi4269 posted...

There is no evidence of anything so nobody should pull racism out of their asses. Police say it flagged a fraud thing, that's perfectly reasonable.

Apparently the checks were watermarked with the word void on them and even though the bank called the issuing bank to confirm the validity of the story the issuing bank couldnt confirm anything since they were never aware of the reason for the checks being written out.

The fact of the matter is that the former employer drafted his payments on voided checks that never should have been used, either accidentally or to purposely cause issues for him when he went to cash them. Why Chase accepted the checks when they were voided is anyones guess. Maybe they dont scan them for watermarks when you open a new account or whatever.

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Mead posted...

do you think that black people cant be racist?

Black people can be racist. Its the entire mantra of the black lives matter movement. Even the name itself is racist.

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aDirtyShisno posted...

Black people can be racist. Its the entire mantra of the black lives matter movement. Even the name itself is racist.

anyone can be racist if they are true to the bigotry in their heart

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Mead posted...

except in these situations they put the check on hold

you might have felt a bit different if they had instead just called the cops on you

I wouldn't have screamed racism if they did. I have a brain and can think logically

CTLM posted...

I wouldn't have screamed racism if they did. I have a brain and can think logically

can you prove this?

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I agree that it's not necessarily race related. But under the circumstances it would be funny as hell.

aDirtyShisno posted...

Black people can be racist. Its the entire mantra of the black lives matter movement. Even the name itself is racist.

That's a fundamental misunderstanding of the phrase.

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Mead posted...

can you prove this?

Yes. I have had the cops called on me in the past and I never once attributed it to racism.

keyblader1985 posted...

That's a fundamental misunderstanding of the phrase.

Except when all lives matter is proposed to bring people of all races together and the idea is completely shot down as belittling the plight of black people.

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aDirtyShisno posted...

and the idea is completely shot down as belittling the plight of black people.

Because that's how it comes across, when it comes about almost in direct response to the former, with the same phrasing.

It's like if someone started a charity for breast cancer after losing someone, then were told by others that ALL diseases are important. Of course they are.. but that's not what we're trying to focus on here.

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keyblader1985 posted...

Because that's how it comes across, when it comes about almost in direct response to the former, with the same phrasing.

It's highlighting everybody's plight. It only belittles the problems black people have if you assume black people are inherently worse off, which they aren't.

keyblader1985 posted...

It's like if someone started a charity for breast cancer after losing someone, then were told by others that ALL diseases are important. Of course they are.. but that's not what we're trying to focus on here.

It's like people saying Cancer Research UK belittles the Pink Ribbon foundation, when in reality breast cancer is funded more than every other cancer while being less dangerous so some screen time is needed for all the other cancers that aren't being funded.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

It's highlighting everybody's plight.

That's kind of an oxymoron; highlighting everything just leaves you with a green book. I get that you're saying it's a general movement of peace, but that doesn't highlight anything. And any other title would have caused less criticism, or at any other time.

I'm not sure how you figured the amount of research or funding was relevant, because it was a very simple analogy.


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CTLM posted...

Yes. I have had the cops called on me in the past and I never once attributed it to racism.

If somebody randomly calls the cops on a black person it is most likely because of racism.
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keyblader1985 posted...

That's kind of an oxymoron; highlighting everything just leaves you with a green book.

It's like getting an entire safety manual instead of a leaflet on the dangers of working at heights.

keyblader1985 posted...

And any other title would have caused less criticism

White lives matter would've got people killed lol

keyblader1985 posted...

I'm not sure how you figured the amount of research or funding was relevant, because it was a very simple analogy.

The problems of women and black people get a lot of attention despite having greater legal defenses than anybody else. The relevance is that these groups are already actively defended, while I see fuck all defending people in general. To claim a message of general peace is undermining them when they're already elevated over the common man is what makes it particularly egregious. Like a boss saying they can't afford to give you a raise because they want to give themself a big fat bonus.
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Revelation34 posted...

If somebody randomly calls the cops on a black person it is most likely because of racism.

Or they're just simply an all around asshole. It's not always about race.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

White lives matter would've got people killed lol

Why would they call it that if it's about everyone?

Kyuubi4269 posted...

The problems of women and black people get a lot of attention despite having greater legal defenses than anybody else. The relevance is that these groups are already actively defended, while I see fuck all defending people in general. To claim a message of general peace is undermining them when they're already elevated over the common man is what makes it particularly egregious. Like a boss saying they can't afford to give you a raise because they want to give themself a big fat bonus.

If your stance is that black people have enough coverage and to focus on other issues instead.. then that's absolutely in direct response to and undermining the movement. Regardless of whether the claim has any validity.

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Fam_Fam posted...

itt: only white people have biases against black people.

Black cops in DC crack down on black people waaaaaay more than white cops do.

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Zareth posted...

Black cops in DC crack down on black people waaaaaay more than white cops do.

would you be so quick to call them black cops if they were white???

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Mead posted...

would you be so quick to call them black cops if they were white???

If they were white I would call them white cops, because that's what they would be...

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Zareth posted...

If they were white I would call them white cops, because that's what they would be...

how dare you

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CTLM posted...

Or they're just simply an all around asshole. It's not always about race.

They wouldn't call the cops on white people regardless.
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Revelation34 posted...

If somebody randomly calls the cops on a black person it is most likely because of racism.

You couldn't be further from the truth bud.

frankspank posted...

You couldn't be further from the truth bud.

The truth is in the opposite direction from what you said.
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ParanoidObsessive posted...

It IS worth noting that it was a bank in a place where the overall population is like 85% black, 7% white. While racism isn't out of the question, there's the distinct possibility that he's overplaying his hand and making accusations when other explanations exist. Especially if a significant amount of the bank staff were themselves black.

There's way too many details missing from the story that kind of make it clickbait sensationalism.

The areas demographics and the race of the employees dont really matter.

When I worked in retail I would have Hispanic managers eye up other Hispanics and keep an eye on them as being extra suspicious in an area that is over 50 percent Hispanic.

Thats basically what systematic racism is.

Plus Ive had a similar thing happened to me at a white bank and the cops called on me because of failing a security question when I trying to withdraw my rent for the month despite having state issued photo ID and even a social security card with my name on it AND a birth certificate.

After complaining to customer service the question she asked me wasnt even on my account.

I still to this day believe the reason they did that was because I was a young 20 something year old brown male who went from having 250 dollar a week checks signed off by an office supply store to working for a huge pharmaceutical company paying over a thousand dollars a week.

In fact the question that she asked me was Where do you work currently which is not even a security question offered by the bank(this wouldnt make sense as people change employment frequently)

CTLM posted...

I had 300 in my account. I tried cashing a check for 2k from another bank. Despite calling the other bank to make sure it was legit, it was still on hold for 2 weeks

There's no racism here in my story. And there's none in the other one, especially considering it was black manager who called the cops after the checks came up as fraudulent

Nonstory being made into something it's not.

Your bank called the other bank, as opposed to calling the police on you.

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