Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 261: Schiff Happens

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So you at least admit that Shapiro hates Arabs, you just handwave it away as excusable
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Jakyl25 posted...

So you at least admit that Shapiro hates Arabs, you just handwave it away as excusable

He's apologized for that very tweet fwiw

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Nelson_Mandela posted...

He's apologized for that very tweet fwiw

Link?

Has Tucker ever apologized for his bigotry?
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Kinglicious posted...

Perfect example of what i mean when i said a the left has trouble understanding Tucker.

Kinglicious posted...

And Jakyl, you do realize your examples on Tucker are 11 and 13 years old right. He's calmed down quite a bit from his Crossfire days after Jon humbled the hell out of him.

Not the immigrants are dirty one, first of all

Secondly no he hasnt. Hes never said anything that makes me believe hes matured from those statements. In fact he says a lot to make me believe hes doubled down on them, such as immigrants are dirty and thoughts about white genocide

What is there about any of Tucker Carlsons viewpoints on immigration and the Middle East that is respectable and worth engaging with? The fact that they are the prevailing views of the American people is not an answer.
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Jakyl25 posted...

Link?

Has Tucker ever apologized for his bigotry?

He did it on his podcast about a year ago

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Also Jon Stewart killed Crossfire in 2004, so claiming quotes from after that are before Stewart humbled him are incorrect at best and deliberate gaslighting at worst
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Nelson_Mandela posted...

He did it on his podcast about a year ago

What was the gist of it
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Kinglicious posted...

Perfect example of what i mean when i said a the left has trouble understanding Tucker.

It's not so much "the left has trouble understanding" Tucker as much as you now openly defending his hateful rhetoric.

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Couldn't be prouder that my 5 year old child just recited the pledge of allegiance to me without even being in kindergarten yet.

What is the rest of America's excuse for their lack of patriotism?

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StealThisSheen posted...

It's not so much "the left has trouble understanding" Tucker as much as you now openly defending his hateful rhetoric.

I think Wang has a bit of the Corrikian belief that if enough people agree with it, its valid and worth engaging with instead of writing off.
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Corrik7 posted...

Couldn't be prouder that my 5 year old child just recited the pledge of allegiance to me without even being in kindergarten yet.

What is the rest of America's excuse for their lack of patriotism?

Hating America, for me
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Also, these:

https://youtu.be/aDMjgOYOcDw

https://youtu.be/2vMK-p6-M5E

Watch them. Don't. Whatever.

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I always thought the way the Pledge of Allegiance is recited in schools felt cultish. The one saving grace of the Pledge is that it contains the two words "under God." That means that each person's allegiance to God, to conscience, to doing right must always come ahead of allegiance to country. It distinguished us from the Soviet Union which asserted that it should have absolute loyalty from its people.

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And for the record I am totally willing to put Shapiro on a less awful tier than Tucker, Maher, Crowder, etc.

He does have ideas worth addressing, even though theyre all wrong, and I wouldnt begrudge someone for going on his show like I would with Mahers show. Any enemy of Breitbart cant be all bad.

Hes just a bumbling idiot, is all. The memes about how stupid he looks OWNING FEMINISTS with LOGIC and REASON are a guilty pleasure of mine.

Then again there was that one interview with a British conservative where he flew off the handle
https://youtu.be/k6-TFpmix54
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Pledge of Allegiance is teaching children to be proud of their country, which they should be. It's sad you almost can't even have your children watch TV anymore due to how brazen people have gotten with their anti-american rhetoric and actions. It is like people forget where they are from.

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Corrik7 posted...

Pledge of Allegiance is teaching children to be proud of their country, which they should be. It's sad you almost can't even have your children watch TV anymore due to how brazen people have gotten with their anti-american rhetoric and actions. It is like people forget where they are from.

What do you classify as anti-American

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Also never understood why people don't like Maher. He is funny, liberal, and makes good arguments.

And oddly liberals hate him more than conservatives.

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Jakyl25 posted...

And for the record I am totally willing to put Shapiro on a less awful tier than Tucker, Maher, Crowder, etc.

You're making a big mistake here

Inviso posted...

Also, these:

https://youtu.be/aDMjgOYOcDw

https://youtu.be/2vMK-p6-M5E

Watch them. Don't. Whatever.

I mean, yeah, if these are the rights leading thinkers I dont think we have much to proceed with from a standpoint of discourse
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Corrik7 posted...

Also never understood why people don't like Maher. He is funny, liberal, and makes good arguments.

And oddly liberals hate him more than conservatives.

Its the Islamophobia and Transphobia mostly
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Paratroopa1 posted...

You're making a big mistake here

Do you see traditional conservatives on the same level of awful as the alt right?

I can see the argument for that!
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Well, the way it's done in schools is pretty bad. For instance, pressuring non-American students to recite it. That could potentially be subornation of treason, depending on the treason laws in the student's country of citizenship!

Non-American citizens should never be permitted to recite the pledge, and should not be allowed to serve in the military. Not until they've become citizens.

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Jakyl25 posted...

Do you see traditional conservatives on the same level of awful as the alt right?

I can see the argument for that!

No my argument is just that Shapiro is fucking horrendous

you guys just don't UNDERSTAND

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Corrik7 posted...

Also never understood why people don't like Maher. He is funny, liberal, and makes good arguments.

And oddly liberals hate him more than conservatives.

Also even when he and I are on the same side of an issue like Trump he still doesnt offer much beyond the Orange man bad weak shit that conservatives love to (rightfully) mock.
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red sox 777 posted...

I always thought the way the Pledge of Allegiance is recited in schools felt cultish. The one saving grace of the Pledge is that it contains the two words "under God." That means that each person's allegiance to God, to conscience, to doing right must always come ahead of allegiance to country. It distinguished us from the Soviet Union which asserted that it should have absolute loyalty from its people.

The fact that its cultish and the fact that it contains the words 'under god' are why my kids don't say the pledge!

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I understand Tucker Carlson.

He sucks and if you like him then you suck too.

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Paratroopa1 posted...

No my argument is just that Shapiro is fucking horrendous

I get what Jakyl is saying about Shapiro maybe being less bad in the alt right sort of way, but damn hes probably my least favorite of all of them as a person. Hes like a smug know-it all fourteen year-old but an adult.

like have you seen him talk about hip-hop? this is edited to make his voice higher pitched but the words are real:

https://twitter.com/jordanuhl/status/1210081908354359296?s=21

ugh hes the worst
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to humanize him a little, tucker carlson flunked out of my college

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MoogleKupo141 posted...

like have you seen him talk about hip-hop? this is edited to make his voice higher pitched but the words are real:

https://twitter.com/jordanuhl/status/1210081908354359296?s=21

ugh hes the worst

hey Ben Shapiro would have you know that his father is a music theorist and so he's perfectly qualified to say rap doesn't count as music

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just watched about 45 minutes of schiff's speech

i don't understand what part of it any rational human could object to. he very clearly and explicitly goes through every fact and argument

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banananor posted...

just watched about 45 minutes of schiff's speech

i don't understand what part of it any rational human could object to. he very clearly and explicitly goes through every fact and argument

Ultimately it all boils down to the Mulvaney argument: get over it

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https://twitter.com/jimswiftdc/status/1220525578958319616?s=21

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And the Corona virus is officially on both coasts, the South, and multiple European countries. If China's responsible for the plague I can't say this is the most surprising result.

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LordoftheMorons posted...

Ultimately it all boils down to the Mulvaney argument: get over it

yeah, that just doesnt seem to be a conclusion a rational person could get to

that's basically saying "you're right, but what are you going to do about it?"

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Oh Im certainly not defending it! but theres no reasonable doubt that Trump did what he is accused of, so thats kinda all thats left.

In related news, upcoming possible bullshit excuse for not calling witnesses:

https://twitter.com/rgoodlaw/status/1220521857251790848?s=21

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I mean some people think the second article shouldn't have been filed and the House should have waited for the subpoenas to work all the way through court so that excuse will probably work on them.

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Kinglicious posted...

And the Corona virus is officially on both coasts, the South, and multiple European countries. If China's responsible for the plague I can't say this is the most surprising result.

Thats how the book version of World War Z went

The upside is that we elected a unified Powell/Dean Presidential ticket to rebuild
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LordoftheMorons posted...

Oh Im certainly not defending it! but theres no reasonable doubt that Trump did what he is accused of, so thats kinda all thats left.

In related news, upcoming possible bullshit excuse for not calling witnesses:

https://twitter.com/rgoodlaw/status/1220521857251790848?s=21

Yeah that's not really an excuse. The Senate is the first and last court here.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzNoI9Q0o7A

Kamala Harris openly giving advice to the House managers on CNN. Looks like Mitch isn't the only one who is not even pretending to be an impartial juror!

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Interesting article:

https://twitter.com/maggienyt/status/1220509666691690497?s=21

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That doesn't surprise me too much given how on a lot of issues Gardner has seemed to go yolo on despite his dismal re-election odds. I've never really counted him among the "swing" possibilities.

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My impression of Gardner is that hes a coward. He might be the 52nd or 53rd vote for witnesses, but not the 51st.

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https://twitter.com/nycsouthpaw/status/1220561396510986240

Justice Roberts when DACA was argued in front of SCOTUS in November: The administration said they're not going to deport the people. Why are [the defense] bringing that up? It isn't helpful!

ICE today: When "DACA is done away with by the Supreme Court, we can actually effectuate those removal orders."

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Yang 4th place in the newest Emerson poll. Hype train is building.

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xp1337 posted...

https://twitter.com/nycsouthpaw/status/1220561396510986240

Justice Roberts when DACA was argued in front of SCOTUS in November: The administration said they're not going to deport the people. Why are [the defense] bringing that up? It isn't helpful!

ICE today: When "DACA is done away with by the Supreme Court, we can actually effectuate those removal orders."

One of the things that frustrates me the most about this era is that people keep giving Trump and his administration the benefit of the doubt despite the fact that they do the wrong thing every single fucking time

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Yang BY FAR understands the Casual Revolution of 2007 better than any candidate. YANGGANG son

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Metal_DK posted...

Yang BY FAR understands the Casual Revolution of 2007 better than any candidate. YANGGANG son

I wouldn't consider that the driving factor behind my support of Yang... But I'll take what I can get!

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LordoftheMorons posted...

One of the things that frustrates me the most about this era is that people keep giving Trump and his administration the benefit of the doubt despite the fact that they do the wrong thing every single fucking time

The courts have to. Those are the rules set by precedent, that we assume the executive is doing their best to act in the best interests of the nation.

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red sox 777 posted...

The courts have to. Those are the rules set by precedent, that we assume the executive is doing their best to act in the best interests of the nation.

Except they're very clearly not, and in this case they've said that they aren't.

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