Current Events > So sick and tired of action taking over traditional JRPG battle systems

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Every new game is action jrpg where you play dynasty warrior style hack and slash with a tiny sprinkle of magic. Every remake is turned into action themed battle system, ditching the old model.

I remember the time when games had superb graphics detailing every magic or summon attack with cool sequences of artstyle+FMV. Can you imagine how awesome it would be to see a triple A title's graphics detailing magic attacks out of a traditional battle system?

I like ARPGs as much as the next guy but I agree, I would like to see the turn-based RPG not get completely exterminated by it since those were often a lot of fun too.

In b4 some idiot mentions that Dragon Quest 10 or whatever came out last year and sold an incredible 2 million copies, as if that has been a large number sometime in the last 15 years or as if it changes the fact that it was basically the only one released all year.

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No, turn-based games are boring.

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Lonestar2000 posted...

No, turn-based games are boring.

Turn based are my favorite RPGs ...

The old combat system of Jrpgs was garbage

Oh boy standing in a horizontal line taking turns hitting each oother

linid0t posted...

Turn based are my favorite RPGs ...

https://store.steampowered.com/app/451020/Battle_Chasers_Nightwar/

Thank me later

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coh posted...

The old combat system of Jrpgs was garbage

Oh boy standing in a horizontal line taking turns hitting each oother

stfu.

Take Legend of Dragoon for example or FFIX. Traditional JRPG does not need to die out. So sick of the gaming industry taking less chances and just following whatever hype trend everyone's on.

coh posted...

The old combat system of Jrpgs was garbage

Oh boy standing in a horizontal line taking turns hitting each oother

It's not like video games have ever made a particularly large amount of sense using in-universe logic. It's just an abstraction for directly controlling multiple party members in one battle, something I've yet to find a solution for in the ARPG genre.

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I also love turn-based games, but

Lonestar2000 posted...

No, turn-based games are boring.

coh posted...

The old combat system of Jrpgs was garbage

Oh boy standing in a horizontal line taking turns hitting each oother

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These attitudes are why turn-based RPGs are dying, and they are very prevalent.

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I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with turn based, but the way JRPGs do it is so lame.

brotrrwinner posted...

https://store.steampowered.com/app/451020/Battle_Chasers_Nightwar/

Thank me later

found this boring tbh

I love turn-based games. To me its similar to a board game, or card game. I like when the actions and resources are compartmentalized and I can take my time planning ahead.

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Im with you 100%. I still go back and play the Suikoden series to get my fix.

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RedWhiteBlue posted...

Turn based is boring and slow and I feel that it's missing an entire dimension of strategic gameplay.

Turn based allows for more strategy though. Action RPGs are going to be more limited due to having to limit the amount of abilities you can use.

When a turn based game lacks strategy, it is because the designers were dumb and failed to provide uses for your abilities(i.e. the only enemies status conditions work on are those that die to a couple of regular atttacks)

coh posted...

The old combat system of Jrpgs was garbage

Oh boy standing in a horizontal line taking turns hitting each oother

Turn based doesn't require that. You can have turn based systems where you can position your characters and have that affect the gameplay.

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I feel a lot of turn based stuff these days are boring as fuck

Special animations/magic was a thing back in the day because they needed to impress people vs competition like platformers and fighting games.

Now there's real time combat, and magic, while not as flashy and grand, has new interactivity in the form of manually dodging or using a variety of similar spells for their utility, instead of simply using the strongest spell

lose the pointless "triple A" stipulation and you have tons of turn based games to play.

Get SaGa Scarlet Grace Ambitions, it's turn based but also very refreshing and different. It's not a triple A title but those mostly suck anyway. It's one of the best jrpgs of recent years

Turn-based is so incredibly boring when it's just an attack/heal system that I don't know why people like it. It doesn't matter if you give 200 different flavors of attack if all you do to win is use attacks until the enemy is dead while not letting your HP hit zero, and all you do to not let your HP hit zero is cast the spell that heals you.

Turn-based can also be great when it's about forming strategies, activating triggers, manipulating position, setting each other up, and other things to add depth.

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More turned based stuff like paper Mario and ffTactics

Less stuff like ff4 & 5

Solar_Crimson posted...

I also love turn-based games, but

These attitudes are why turn-based RPGs are dying, and they are very prevalent.

Yeah. It's such a shame. Shit opinions like this is what led even the FF franchise to follow the money. Square is having an identity crisis trying to follow open world style(that's mostly empty feeling), action button mashing crap.

So many remakes, definitive editons, etc. Gaming is so damn lame these days. New IPs are so rare.

CrazyandLazy posted...

So many remakes, definitive editons, etc. Gaming is so damn lame these days. New IPs are so rare.

Definitely outside of indie games, there you get a lot of quality new IPs. I worked out my top games for each year from 2010 to 2019 last year (well I couldn't pick for 19 but that was the idea) only one game that wasn't part of a series.

CrazyandLazy posted...

So many remakes, definitive editons, etc. Gaming is so damn lame these days. New IPs are so rare.

Yeah, gaming went mainstream, but with it came them chasing the masses and taking less risks because they don't want to alienate them. The mainstream wants "cinematic" experiences with direct control over the character.

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its sad how many people on the ff7r board are defending the shift to action based combat right now.

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DevsBro posted...

I like ARPGs as much as the next guy but I agree, I would like to see the turn-based RPG not get completely exterminated by it since those were often a lot of fun too.

In b4 some idiot mentions that Dragon Quest 10 or whatever came out last year and sold an incredible 2 million copies, as if that has been a large number sometime in the last 15 years or as if it changes the fact that it was basically the only one released all year.

The fact remains that some are still being made. It and Persona 5 show turn based JRPGs can still sell well. Honestly I can't see Atlus turning their games into action RPGs. That's what spinoffs are for and they love spinoffs. The main SMT and Persona games? Traditional JRPGs.

Oh and Dragon Quest XI was the only huge budget Turnbased RPG in the last couple years but not the only.even square has smaller development teams making JRPGs.

Now we do lack big budget traditional turned based RPGs even Dragon Quest isn't as big budget as other Square properties and sadly I don't see that changing. The traditional JRPG is not dying just becoming more niche.

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Yeah, bring back turn-based RPGs. If you think they are terrible, then don't fucking play them. Why would you want others to not be able to play what they like? What does it matter to you?

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Raikuro posted...

lose the pointless "triple A" stipulation and you have tons of turn based games to play.

This. There are plenty of both turn-based and action JRPGs to play, I'm not seeing the fuss. Even bigger shit like FFVIIIR has two combat mode to please both camps.

I don't mind action RPGs but I'll always prefer the turn-based ones. That's why I loved the Trails of Cold Steel series. It's got one of the best combat systems I've ever played. It's not overly complicated but there's enough there that it never got boring for me.
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Turn based RPGs are not going away. Sadly they are far less likely to be big budget.

I wish more anime licenses would be turn based RPGs. I mean I am about to buy a Fairy Tail game, just because they are making it a turn based RPG and hate Fairy Tail.

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a-c-a-b posted...

I don't mind action RPGs but I'll always prefer the turn-based ones. That's why I loved the Trails of Cold Steel series. It's got one of the best combat systems I've ever played. It's not overly complicated but there's enough there that it never got boring for me.

I have one of those games on Steam, but every time I start it up I simply can't get into it. Says I've played about 8 hour in total, but I'm sure most of that is sitting paused

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Leanaunfurled posted...

Even bigger shit like FFVIIIR has two combat mode to please both camps.

both modes are watered down, but hey aT lEaSt wE hAvE oPtIoNs

FFX still has the best JRPG battle system of all time.

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DevsBro posted...

In b4 some idiot mentions that Dragon Quest 10 or whatever came out last year and sold an incredible 2 million copies, as if that has been a large number sometime in the last 15 years or as if it changes the fact that it was basically the only one released all year.

There's been plenty you just don't actually like them.

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That's what I've been saying, there aren't really "game genres" anymore, they're all the same. No matter what game it is, it's always an action game with RPG elements.

Lonestar2000 posted...

No, turn-based games are boring.

This. As someone who loved them in my youth. They can pretty much die off for all I care. FFVII Remake is taking the exact direction I wanted.

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Annihilated posted...

That's what I've been saying, there aren't really "game genres" anymore, they're all the same. No matter what game it is, it's always an action game with RPG elements.

Yeah. Not like going through menus and picking actions then watching that action carry out in every game. SO MUCH VARIETY. Woah, Im picking abilities instead of magic? A different animation?!? WOOOOAH.

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Lost_All_Senses posted...

This. As someone who loved them in my youth. They can pretty much die off for all I care. FFVII Remake is taking the exact direction I wanted.

Again, why would it matter if they still made those games? If you don't like them, don't play them. Why take away something that others do like?

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Bad_Mojo posted...

Again, why would it matter if they still made those games? If you don't like them, don't play them. Why take away something that others do like?

I didn't say that at all. I just said I wouldn't be personally effected by it. Don't do that bruh. I'm not that guy. I make fun of people but I don't actually want to take away what they enjoy. It's 2 completely different things

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Got it. I apologize

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HerpToTheDerp posted...

both modes are watered down, but hey aT lEaSt wE hAvE oPtIoNs

HerpToTheDerp posted...

How do you water down, "press a button and choose an option?"

Sorry final Fantasy VII didn't have a complex battle system.

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Leanaunfurled posted...

This. There are plenty of both turn-based and action JRPGs to play, I'm not seeing the fuss. Even bigger shit like FFVIIIR has two combat mode to please both camps.

This. Hell, Dragon Quest still keeps the turn-based format and it's still doing really well.

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Bad_Mojo posted...

Got it. I apologize

It's all good. I like so much stuff that people here talk about the world being better off without. It really does set off a "fuck this person" mind state in my head lol. Especially when it's like 10 years old and the person still hasn't gotten over their distaste for it to just let it be and accept others got joy out of it. But on the other end. It's still fun to poke fun, if it's not malicious.

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creativerealms posted...

How do you water down, "press a button and choose an option?"

Sorry final Fantasy VII didn't have a complex battle system.

yes, if you simplify and are dishonest about how most games work they all sound easy huh

BakonBitz posted...

This. Hell, Dragon Quest still keeps the turn-based format and it's still doing really well.

Persona 5 was a huge success, still is. Yeah Atlus would rather milk it then release SMT V or a new Etrian Odyssey game. Sigh.

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^ D&D, the world's best RPG, is still turn-based

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HerpToTheDerp posted...

yes, if you simplify and are dishonest about how most games work they all sound easy huh

And you are being equally as dishonest saying a game not even released yet is watering things down. I know a turn based RPG system is more complex then that.

You are the one making a claim you can't backup.

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Arpg are the only games I like these days

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