Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 257: "Donald the Dove"

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This dude on CNN must be a republican guest. He just said we all need to root for the best Donald Trump right now regardless of party. I've seen Democrats hoping for scandals, stock market crashes, and etc for 3 years straight now. That would be a welcome breath of fresh air to wish for the best of your nation with the president at hand.

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We probably have wildly different opinions on the best Donald Trump though
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https://twitter.com/DavidAFrench/status/1214737246273900548?s=19

Fired a few harmless rockets to save face exactly as I predicted. Iran is such a bitch.

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Everyone wanted a best nation.

Then he nominated literal ghoul Betsy DeVos and it just went downhill ever so quickly.

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Nelson_Mandela posted...

https://twitter.com/DavidAFrench/status/1214737246273900548?s=19

Fired a few harmless rockets to save face exactly as I predicted. Iran is such a bitch.

I agree let's cut the defense budget in half no one would fuck with us still.

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https://twitter.com/joebiden/status/1214722638733406209?s=21

Hidden message in here

Jill and I are keeping our troops and Americans overseas
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I'll put it 75/25 we are at war in 48 hours. Down from 90/10.

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Nelson_Mandela posted...

https://twitter.com/DavidAFrench/status/1214737246273900548?s=19

Fired a few harmless rockets to save face exactly as I predicted. Iran is such a bitch.

You could argue we did the same in Syria.

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Republicans have made it very difficult to want to work with them. Like... I almost can't conceive working with them after what Mitch McConnell did to Obama with his SCOTUS pick, let alone all the extra divisiveness of Donald Trump treating us like we're the enemy. Then again, he didn't start it, the Republican party branded Democrats Americas top foe and he just took off with it.

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That intelligence member just shut down that CNN host hardcore about the Iranian drone attack. He literally apologized to him.

Then he said well Trump said not to trust you so that's the problem here. Lolol.

CNN is fucking wild. I should watch more TV.

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KamikazePotato posted...

I skimmed most of the recent topics but didn't Wang spend a good two days straight arguing that Iran wouldn't dare respond to the assassination in an overt way and anything they were saying was just bluffing

Huh? I said that they'd respond but it would be in more covert ways. It wouldn't be declaring war, it'd be more in terrorist actions. That said it'd be dumb of them to because doing so just asks us to clap back and we'll do it harder.

Catching up to the topic now so don't know if that got covered. But yeah, my position was Iran would retaliate but without a war declaration, instead doubling down on terrorism with an uptick of attacks that way.

Edit: checked the old topic. First thing i said on it:

yeah, iran will retailate but that'll be in the form of messing around in the middle east some more, in ways that we don't have much control or knowledge of.

mind you, there's a valid question to "aren't they doing that anyway?" and there's a valid statement that without this commander it cripples them, tactically. on both fronts this ends up being quite non consequential. but there's also no way of knowing exactly how this escalates beyond that. will they declare war, of course not. why declare war when you can use your military without that or, better yet, use "non military forces" instead?

Which all is holding true, minus the terrorist uptick, for now.

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DoomTheGyarados posted...

I agree let's cut the defense budget in half no one would fuck with us still.

Honestly you're 100% right and I respect that argument a lot. I think we need to prepare for China in 50 years by building up a preposterously strong military, but totally valid to think that they'll stagnate soon.

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Corrik7 posted...

You could argue we did the same in Syria.

We did. A weak response.

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Oh my God. Does Iran have a death wish? Best case is they secretly told the US (maybe through Russian channels) about the attack before it happened so that troops could be moved to avoid casualties.

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Nelson_Mandela posted...

Honestly you're 100% right and I respect that argument a lot. I think we need to prepare for China in 50 years by building up a preposterously strong military, but totally valid to think that they'll stagnate soon.

China's not a concern militarily, Russia is still stronger and honestly if they fought Japan again I think they'd get schooled once more. They have a large standing army but that's it.

Economically they're a monster and regionally they've conquered a significant chunk of Africa, with all its land and resources, with zero actual pushback. That's the area we should have focus on if we care about China. Ideally Europe would but due to politics they're much more restrained.


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red sox 777 posted...

Oh my God. Does Iran have a death wish? Best case is they secretly told the US (maybe through Russian channels) about the attack before it happened so that troops could be moved to avoid casualties.

By all reports their missiles didn't hit any where US soldiers were housed. One hit and didn't detonate at a public airport. Another outside the city and killed no one. A bunch of others hit non-us areas of bases.


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Kinglicious posted...

China's not a concern militarily, Russia is still stronger and honestly if they fought Japan again I think they'd get schooled once more. They have a large standing army but that's it.

Economically they're a monster and regionally they've conquered a significant chunk of Africa, with all its land and resources, with zero actual pushback. That's the area we should have focus on if we care about China. Ideally Europe would but due to politics they're much more restrained.

China is stronger than you think.

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red sox 777 posted...

Oh my God. Does Iran have a death wish? Best case is they secretly told the US (maybe through Russian channels) about the attack before it happened so that troops could be moved to avoid casualties.

Can almost guarantee that happened. That or they didn't adjust their sights on purpose.

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One nutjob presidential advisor weighing in:

https://twitter.com/Nick_L_Miller/status/1214731377503023104

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https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/1214751765440143361

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Corrik7 posted...

You just said to be skeptical of Sanders.

Yes

It's pretty simple when you don't treat a presidential candidate like your religion's messiah

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Nelson_Mandela posted...

I think we need to prepare for China in 50 years by ruining our entire economy wasting money on an increasingly weaker and more expensive military

Someone get this guy a cabinet position

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Corrik7 posted...

China is stronger than you think.

Nah, they're realistically more just a competitive 4th. Russia is still a strong 2 despite their decline and Japan, despite not having a military, is consistently ranked as one of the strongest in the world (usually 4th to 7th) and their not-Navy is second to us. In a war with China they hold a massive advantage due to better tech, an already stupidly good not Navy, and a moderately strong not air force. Gotta remember that despite the land mass China is remarkably easy for them to hurt since everyone's on the coast facing them, meaning even Russia would have a harder time fighting them. When you add in the fact that they spend just 50 billion currently... They're basically the sleeping giant, Russia is the big dog, and China is the paper tiger.

Should they maintain their hold on Africa though, that can change extremely fast. They're already trying to establish routes across the continent and if they can set up on the Atlantic side over the next few decades then they're no question taking that #2 for covering the world.

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https://twitter.com/vmsalama/status/1214754564089548801

What the fuck is even happening
Is this a coincidence? Accident caused by extra chaos maybe?

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foolm0r0n posted...

Expansions in the existing middle east wars mostly, but Iran would def be possible if they broke the deal or decided aggress in another way. Ukraine would be likely. Venezuela maybe as a long shot.

Forgot to mention Gaza

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Nelson_Mandela posted...

I think we need to prepare for China in 50 years by building up a preposterously strong military

Why? China and America will never be stupid enough to go to war with each other as long as both of them have nukes. The only way to counter China's growing power is through diplomacy. Having a even bigger military won't help there when we're already so far ahead of everyone else.
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LordoftheMorons posted...

https://twitter.com/vmsalama/status/1214754564089548801

What the fuck is even happening
Is this a coincidence? Accident caused by extra chaos maybe?

and to top this, apparently Iran has just suffered 2 earthquakes in the past 2 hours.
5.5 and 4.9.

i don't understand either.
weird as fuck.


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Love this headline

https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/07/politics/mitch-mcconnell-senate-impeachment/index.html

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Nelson_Mandela posted...

Love this headline

https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/07/politics/mitch-mcconnell-senate-impeachment/index.html

Chris Cilizza is the master of treating politics like a game where right and wrong exist don't exist and completely divorced from any consequences for actual people

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Wanglicious posted...

and to top this, apparently Iran has just suffered 2 earthquakes in the past 2 hours.
5.5 and 4.9.

i don't understand either.
weird as fuck.

Trump said you don't realize the weapons we have. That said, obviously that was a joke and this is God taking his retribution on them for their evil deed's.

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yeah, it's in that awkward timing of everything.

Iran missile strikes. situation unknown.

a Ukraine-bound plane with 180 passengers fell, killing all of them. the cause is very unclear right now. there are some reports that this was accidentally shot down by an Iranian missile but this is unconfirmed. for their sake, hope it's a fake report because that means they killed 180 civilians from who knows how many countries.

2 earthquakes.

all in the span of 1 night and it ain't even midnight yet.

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Thread:

https://twitter.com/yashar/status/1214712056147922944

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Killing Iran's general only does one thing: Makes him a martyr.

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Corrik7 posted...

Trump said you don't realize the weapons we have. That said, obviously that was a joke and this is God taking his retribution on them for their evil deed's.

Id be more likely to believe we can actually cause earthquakes
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I'm normally all for expanding the coalition, but uh.... they can keep this one

https://twitter.com/ne0liberal/status/1214755167884591107

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God: Hmm... Germany's killing millions of my chosen people. Nah, not gonna do anything.

God: Hmm... 9/11? Should I hit Osama Bin Laden with a lightning bolt? Nah.

God: Iran just fired missiles at US bases? TIME FOR RETRIBUTION IN THE FORM OF TWO MINOR EARTHQUAKES

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I dont know if this is just an awkward translation or what but the phrasing here is amazing

https://twitter.com/alhadath/status/1214758196511985664?s=21

News of the Ukrainian plane crashing as a result of accidentally injuring an Iranian missile

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Jakyl25 posted...

Id be more likely to believe we can actually cause earthquakes

i was joking about this with some friends then decided to look it up.
answer is probably not in any way we'd define earthquake. though we do have this which is currently being actively researched:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massive_Ordnance_Penetrator

also note that research on earthquake or tsunami bombs has been going on since WW2 and there's a treaty in the late 70s that specifically targets tectonic weapons, so it's a very real thing, especially since released documents do show that they've been considered viable for at least 20 years now.

it's also the basis of conspiracy theories around tsunamis and earthquakes in the past, though i think those mostly run the idea of nuclear tests and there's never any proof. also note if you scale it further to nuclear weapons, this one does exist and is the biggest project that we're publicly aware of:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B61_nuclear_bomb#Mod_12

which would be, if the mainland ever gets hit, likely be among the first weapons to be deployed if we're serious. we can pinpoint the target within 30 meters and adjust the payload massively. still is the weapon i'd keep my eye on the most because it continues to be a terrifying breakthrough in military weaponry.

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Ashethan posted...

God: Hmm... Germany's killing millions of my chosen people. Nah, not gonna do anything.

God: Hmm... 9/11? Should I hit Osama Bin Laden with a lightning bolt? Nah.

God: Iran just fired missiles at US bases? TIME FOR RETRIBUTION IN THE FORM OF TWO MINOR EARTHQUAKES

Lol got'em. God shows up when it comes to infidel... Governments.

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so the earthquake/plane crash stuff is absolutely going in the QAnon canon, right

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There were earthquakes in Puerto Rico as well earlier. Clearly they were getting the weapon warmed up.

/s because some of you continue to amaze me

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HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

so the earthquake/plane crash stuff is absolutely going in the QAnon canon, right

No doubt

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earthquake, absolutely, yes. pretty well set for a conspiracy theory since you've got the attack on US bases, the 4.9 earthquake was near a nuclear power plant, and the US probably could generate a force similar to that, though to the best of our knowledge it'd have to be dropped. but who knows what's been blackbox'd since that treaty in the 70s, so insert Q Anon stuff here.

plane crash, depends.
i don't think iran wants to claim ownership for that one and are better off claiming it was "other forces" or a malfunction.

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Wanglicious posted...

earthquake, absolutely, yes. pretty well set for a conspiracy theory since you've got the attack on US bases, the 4.9 earthquake was near a nuclear power plant, and the US probably could generate a force similar to that, though to the best of our knowledge it'd have to be dropped. but who knows what's been blackbox'd since that treaty in the 70s, so insert Q Anon stuff here.

plane crash, depends.
i don't think iran wants to claim ownership for that one and are better off claiming it was "other forces" or a malfunction.

Earthquakes are common in Iran

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not only are they common, this area recently had one within the past two weeks. pretty normal.
but that ain't gonna stop qanon lore.

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Corrik7 posted...

Earthquakes are common in Iran

Things like "facts" and "contextual perspective" aren't really in the wheelhouse of QAnon.

What you want is a random tweet along the lines of:

"Think. Trump says he will make a 'statement' and then an earthquake occurs. The pieces are all there. We just need to see them"

Followed by furious circlejerking and using numerology to prove Trump has murdered the pedophile queen.

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so the numbers of deaths are a bit mixed right now. early reports suggest the overwhelming majority were Iranians and Canadian students that were on break. still need more verification of that.
there's a bunch of reports going "Reuters said..." but that's all a lie, it's "Reuters reporting that Iranian state media said..."

right now they're saying malfunction. Ukraine investigating, can't find a source confirming initial claim so not attributing any.

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https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1214727204447371268

Guessing starting a war would not help those numbers

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considering how heavily anti-war most of his base is, no it would not. he goes to war, he loses.
fortunately for him he doesn't need to go to war due to the fact that the legislature has given the executive broad military power that lets him wreck a place without a single declaration needed. a power that bush enjoyed a lot, obama enjoyed even more with minimal scrutiny, and now trump is enjoying with (fortunately) a lot of it. and keep in mind, they like giving the executive broad power. i'll once again point out that, as the house impeached trump, they extended the patriot act. if they wanted to reign in his power they've had every chance to do so but refuse to.

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Wanglicious posted...

obama enjoyed even more with minimal scrutiny

are you joking

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