Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 257: "Donald the Dove"

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in the general this guy won't matter because nobody will know or care about who he is. again, if you care about optics for the general the answer is don't let him get pushed off his own stage. the second he looks weak and ineffective is the second he gets eaten alive and he's very, very prone to having that happen to him. if that social fringe doesn't ruin it for him, he'll be fine with optics. they'd be ten times worse than that pro-charter school group that protested warren a few months ago.

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What version of American politics do you guys have where Trump doesn't also have massive establishment support? Every time a Republican speaks out they fall back in line at the next convenient opportunity. That Mike Lee guy didnt even seem to last a full day.

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HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

What version of American politics do you guys have where Trump doesn't also have massive establishment support? Every time a Republican speaks out they fall back in line at the next convenient opportunity. That Mike Lee guy didnt even seem to last a full day.

Trump's establishment people are smart enough to be quiet. Think about how many votes he would have lost if the Bush clan endorsed him!

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HW voted for Clinton

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And now he's dead.

Coincidence?!

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red sox 777 posted...

Trump's establishment people are smart enough to be quiet. Think about how many votes he would have lost if the Bush clan endorsed him!

So the entire R makeup of the House and the Senate all simultaneously transitioned from establishment stooges to rebellious mavericks once Trump was sworn in? Except for, ironically, John McCain of course.

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LordoftheMorons posted...

HW voted for Clinton

Think about how many voters he caused her to lose by supporting her!

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HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

So the entire R makeup of the House and the Senate all simultaneously transitioned from establishment stooges to rebellious mavericks once Trump was sworn in? Except for, ironically, John McCain of course.

Republicans were never stooges. They are smart. But sure, in keeping with their core principle of devotion to power above all, they may switch from establishment to maverick positions from year to year or month to month or even minute to minute.

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red sox 777 posted...

Think about how many voters he caused her to lose by supporting her!

Probably zero since he never publicly endorsed her!

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LordoftheMorons posted...

Probably zero since he never publicly endorsed her!

It wasn't hard to guess where his sympathies were.

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Wanglicious posted...

in the general this guy won't matter because nobody will know or care about who he is. again, if you care about optics for the general the answer is don't let him get pushed off his own stage. the second he looks weak and ineffective is the second he gets eaten alive and he's very, very prone to having that happen to him. if that social fringe doesn't ruin it for him, he'll be fine with optics. they'd be ten times worse than that pro-charter school group that protested warren a few months ago.

lmao what

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Great news for Kansas: they've expanded Medicaid!

https://twitter.com/ASlavitt/status/1215483824223805440

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So on the same day we targeted Soleimani in Iraq we also carried out a mission targeting Shahlai in Yemen.

Just how many "imminent" attacks were being planned and how many people did we try to assassinate?

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the middle east is in a constant state of imminent threats.
no quotes needed, that's kind of the situation we made for ourselves and the way the executive has been functioning for almost two decades now. it especially ramped up during obama's years, hell we drone struck yemen a ton in his last few years. this is not at all new.

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The universe has existed for billions of years. Im that context, isnt anything that might happen in our lifetimes imminent?

also wtf MIT

https://twitter.com/ramez/status/1215730596309127168?s=21

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In a day the imminent threat has retroactively become a targeting of not one embassy, but four!

https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/1215714885864185856?s=21

in a few weeks well be thanking Trump for stopping Soleimani from his imminent plan of summoning a giant meteor to destroy the earth!

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no, it's imminent because it's literally war. the region is in a constant threat of danger, that's how war works.

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LordoftheMorons posted...

in a few weeks well be thanking Trump for stopping Soleimani from his imminent plan of summoning a giant meteor to destroy the earth!

Didn't "Giant Meteor" win the poll? Seems like he's just trying to give the people what they wanted!

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https://twitter.com/ronanfarrow/status/1215458252600872960?s=21

wow

If Trump ends up charged with crimes after leaving office I wonder how the hell theyre going to get an unbiased jury for him

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LordoftheMorons posted...

https://twitter.com/ronanfarrow/status/1215458252600872960?s=21

wow

If Trump ends up charged with crimes after leaving office I wonder how the hell theyre going to get an unbiased jury for him

It's not possible, he has to go free. No jury can possibly try him.

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Gotta find 12 of those people in the 2% or whatever that somehow dont have an opinion on Trump I guess! Just gotta summon ~600 potential jurors, nbd

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LordoftheMorons posted...

Gotta find 12 of those people in the 2% or whatever that somehow dont have an opinion on Trump I guess! Just gotta summon ~600 potential jurors, nbd

But then we'd be choosing the most ignorant people in the country to judge its president, which cannot be good law.

The defendant can waive his right to trial by jury though, and I suspect he may waive it with an agreement that he is to be tried by the Senate.

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...actually its apparently 4.7% on 538 now. Way higher than I thought!

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Oh wow.
Chapelle is gonna campaign for Yang in South Carolina.

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Kinglicious posted...

Oh wow.
Chapelle is gonna campaign for Yang in South Carolina.

I can't decide if this is more or less weird than him hiring Donald Glover as a creative consultant and dropping collab merch.

....actually now that I type that all out, Chappelle is obviously a way less weird celebrity crossover

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HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

I can't decide if this is more or less weird than him hiring Donald Glover as a creative consultant and dropping collab merch.

....actually now that I type that all out, Chappelle is obviously a way less weird celebrity crossover

Wow, Yangs making collab merch? Way to play
exactly into the stereotype of what people said your campaign would be, dude.

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Looks like the House is capitulating under pressure and is going to send over the articles of impeachment. Mitch wins again!

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red sox 777 posted...

Looks like the House is capitulating under pressure and is going to send over the articles of impeachment. Mitch wins again!

Too many democratic senators were adamant that she did because it was screwing up their schedules.

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red sox 777 posted...

Looks like the House is capitulating under pressure and is going to send over the articles of impeachment. Mitch wins again!

Dumbest party strikes again

At least they can pick Amash now and boost him

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Guessing her caucus forced her hand. There were indications that they were squirming about holding them (despite the fact that it was clear that Rs were extremely mad about them being held, which would not be the case if it was backfiring on the Dems).

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Looks like Matt Gaetz is getting the Jeff Sessions treatment (being devoured by Trumpworld for the one good thing he did, in this case supporting the War Powers resolution)

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Iran has admitted they shot down the plane, calling it human error.

I mean, it wasn't really in any doubt at this point.

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LordoftheMorons posted...

Looks like Matt Gaetz is getting the Jeff Sessions treatment (being devoured by Trumpworld for the one good thing he did, in this case supporting the War Powers resolution)

classic left eating itself

Iran just admitted they shot the plane down after saying it was scientifically impossible and tried to cover it up prior to the video showing it came out.

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red sox 777 posted...

It's not possible, he has to go free. No jury can possibly try him.

His co-conspirator, Michael Cohen, is in jail right now for crimes he committed together with Donald Trump.

So...no, I'd be surprised if the courts didn't find him guilty of some crimes.

Not like it would be the first time he's been on the wrong side of the law, either--he was caught defrauding people with Trump University, he settled for $25 million. He was caught refusing to rent apartments to black people, and then caught refusing to follow a court order to allow black people to rent his appartments, got punished by the courts both times. He was just recently found to be illegally using funds in his charities, paid out $2 million for that. He has a history of breaking the law, and getting caught.

Now, I'm not holding my breath that he'll face jail time or anything--he usually manages to wiggle out of these situations by paying a fine and going on with his life. But it's a safe bet that the feds will catch him in more crimes--the story about the fraudulent use of his charity and the money he was forced to cough up was...like...30 days ago.

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metroid composite posted...

His co-conspirator, Michael Cohen, is in jail right now for crimes he committed together with Donald Trump.

So...no, I'd be surprised if the courts didn't find him guilty of some crimes.

Not like it would be the first time he's been on the wrong side of the law, either--he was caught defrauding people with Trump University, he settled for $25 million. He was caught refusing to rent apartments to black people, and then caught refusing to follow a court order to allow black people to rent his appartments, got punished by the courts both times. He was just recently found to be illegally using funds in his charities, paid out $2 million for that. He has a history of breaking the law, and getting caught.

Now, I'm not holding my breath that he'll face jail time or anything--he usually manages to wiggle out of these situations by paying a fine and going on with his life. But it's a safe bet that the feds will catch him in more crimes--the story about the fraudulent use of his charity and the money he was forced to cough up was...like...30 days ago.

Not gonna happen. You really shouldn't reduce yourself to wishing for something so silly.

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Corrik7 posted...

Not gonna happen. You really shouldn't reduce yourself to wishing for something so silly.

What's silly about a guy going to jail for a felony campaign finance violation he's been proven to have committed?

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He's the President of the United States.

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And my point is - completely independent of him being innocent or guilty - if we need to find a jury that doesn't have an opinion of him that's impossible. Empaneling a jury of people in comas or the like will fail on other grounds.

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LordoftheMorons posted...

What's silly about a guy going to jail for a felony campaign finance violation he's been proven to have committed?

That he isn't going to be going to jail for it, he has not been proven to have committed it, and you are just wishing for anything possible to happen as if you are throwing darts at a dartboard.

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Corrik7 posted...

That he isn't going to be going to jail for it, he has not been proven to have committed it, and you are just wishing for anything possible to happen as if you are throwing darts at a dartboard.

Youre half right. Theres absolutely no chance hell be punished for it, but the fraud has 100% been proven.

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Corrik7 posted...

That he isn't going to be going to jail for it, he has not been proven to have committed it, and you are just wishing for anything possible to happen as if you are throwing darts at a dartboard.

Michael Cohen was found guilty of committing said campaign finance violation on his orders beyond a reasonable doubt, which means that Trump can be found guilty as well. Saying he can't be is to say that he's above the law (which he will not be once he's no longer a president armed with accomplices willing to let him get away with shooting a guy in the middle of Fifth Avenue in the Senate).

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LordoftheMorons posted...

Michael Cohen was found guilty of committing said campaign finance violation on his orders beyond a reasonable doubt, which means that Trump can be found guilty as well. Saying he can't be is to say that he's above the law (which he will not be once he's no longer a president armed with accomplices willing to let him get away with shooting a guy in the middle of Fifth Avenue in the Senate).

If the King orders a minister to break the law and the minister does it, what happened in the eyes of the law? Why, the minister gave the King bad advice, and needs to be held responsible for it.

For the King can do no wrong in the eyes of the law. How could he? The law, being below the King and flowing from him, cannot judge him. It cannot even imagine the concept of a lawbreaking King, which is a contradiction in itself. It is a logical impossibility.

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Good thing America doesn't have a king then!

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

At least they all look like they're having fun!

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LordoftheMorons posted...

Michael Cohen was found guilty of committing said campaign finance violation on his orders beyond a reasonable doubt, which means that Trump can be found guilty as well. Saying he can't be is to say that he's above the law (which he will not be once he's no longer a president armed with accomplices willing to let him get away with shooting a guy in the middle of Fifth Avenue in the Senate).

Saying someone can be found guilty is not the same as someone is guilty. Also, I don't think Cohen was found within a reason of doubt. I believe he made a plea. It means he is guilty, but he wasn't found to be.

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Suprak the Stud posted...

At least they all look like they're having fun!

Democratic voters are until they realize Hillary is pulling the sleigh.

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Iran stupidly shot down 178 civilians because of a war with Trump. Trump definitely shares the blame and his fanboys shriek when hearing that fact.

But the fact is, this IS war. No one decided to make 6000 US soldiers commit suicide when invading Iraq. No one decided to kill a million middle easterns by creating a power vacuum for ISIS to form. And no one decided to shoot down this airplane of 178 people. But EVERY SINGLE WARMONGER INVOLVED IS RESPONSIBLE because this IS what war is about. The absolute worst atrocities that you can't even imagine, that even the worst stories can't compare to, they are nonsense bullshit accidental side effects that no one can predict because this shit is pure chaos, by definition, always.

Please think about this for even 1 second the next time you support ANY kind of war action (including sanctions, yes). You support the chaos knowing what the result will be. The blood is on your hands and on Trump's hands and indeed on your hands.

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Play undertale

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