Current Events > Rotten Tomatoes audience score for Rise of Skywalker is locked at 86%

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https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/star_wars_the_rise_of_skywalker

86% at 6231 reviews

86% at 22198 reviews

Guess the only check that cleared was the one for Fandango

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I find it funny that the critic and fan ratings have almost entirely switched around with this one compared to TLJ.

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BakonBitz posted...

I find it funny that the critic and fan ratings have almost entirely switched around with this one compared to TLJ.

Just tells me this one went fan service route
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I think when people talk about this sequel trilogy in the future the conversation is always going to come down to Team TLJ vs Team ROS.

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Critics appreciated TLJ being bold and risky and didnt lije ROTS for being safe and giving in to fans.
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SocialistGamer posted...

Critics appreciated TLJ being bold and risky and didnt lije ROTS for being safe and giving in to fans.

Revenge of the Sith was safe?

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__aCEr__ posted...

I think when people talk about this sequel trilogy in the future the conversation is always going to come down to Team TLJ vs Team ROS.

What if I think both are shitty?

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Garioshi posted...

Revenge of the Sith was safe?

Rise of Skywalker. I keep calling it Rise of the Skywalker for some reason >_>
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fuck RT tbh

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i love that the conspiracy theory is that "no nuh uh disney is botting audience scores!111"

manchildren legitimately can't accept they live in an angry bubble and the general public gives no fucks about their weird online culture war

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Zero_Destroyer posted...

i love that the conspiracy theory is that "no nuh uh disney is botting audience scores!111"

manchildren legitimately can't accept they live in an angry bubble and the general public gives no fucks about their weird online culture war

Uh-huh

now how do you explain 15967 extra votes with no change in the percentage

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AvantgardeAClue posted...

Uh-huh

now how do you explain 15967 extra votes with no change in the percentage

10,000 is a pretty large sample. It's not that surprising if it represents the general public. And I would be extremely surprised if the score somehow leaves the 80's even when the votes reach hundreds of thousands.

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AvantgardeAClue posted...

Uh-huh

now how do you explain 15967 extra votes with no change in the percentage

Can you explain in scientific or statistical terms why this is unusual?

Additionally, are you aware that an unverified audience score exists in the same tab, sitting at a lower-but-still positive 77%?

Additionally, are you aware that CimemaScore, a polling firm for movies, has this at a B+?


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AvantgardeAClue posted...

Uh-huh

now how do you explain 15967 extra votes with no change in the percentage

13761 positive votes, 2236 negative. Approximately.

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Zero_Destroyer posted...

Additionally, are you aware that CimemaScore, a polling firm for movies, has this at a B+?

Cinemascore is garbage though, no idea why everyone uses it. Richard Jewell has an A, Joker has a B+.

One of them was a bomb and the other was the first rated R film to break a billion.

It doesn't mean anything to success or audience enjoyment really.

SocialistGamer posted...

Critics appreciated TLJ being bold and risky and didnt lije ROTS for being safe and giving in to fans.

I don't think this gave much to fans.

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Also, is there any logical reason as to why Disney would abruptly switch from paying off critics to botting specific review websites' audience scores? Like uh, is their propaganda market slacking? If Disney was paying off critics and figured that wasn't working, why would they only bot audience reviews and not just *do both*?

This is what happens when you start with a conclusion. You start making up nonsense conspiracy theories that do not hold up under scrutiny and you disregard evidence as "fake" based on your "feeling" that something is weird. All of this over a shitty Star Wars sequel

like i said

manchildren

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The_Ivory_Man posted...

Cinemascore is garbage though, no idea why everyone uses it. Richard Jewell has an A, Joker has a B+.

One of them was a bomb and the other was the first rated R film to break a billion.

It doesn't mean anything to success or audience enjoyment really.

I don't think this gave much to fans.

That doesn't make it garbage. That means that the segment of the audience that went to see the movie either did or didn't enjoy it, on some varying level. It doesn't necessarily translate to box office success or failure because it's gauging the audiences who went to see it. Rise of Skywalker could easily disappoint, but the point stands that audiences enjoyed it.


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Zero_Destroyer posted...

That means that the segment of the audience that went to see the movie either did or didn't enjoy it, on some varying level. It doesn't necessarily translate to box office success or failure because it's gauging the audiences who went to see it. Rise of Skywalker could easily disappoint, but the point stands that audiences enjoyed it.

So cinemascore predict general audience reviews and it doesn't predict box office scores?

So what is it good for then?

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It was a fun movie.

It still wasnt very well executed though

There were a lot of elements that were stupid

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The_Ivory_Man posted...

So cinemascore predict general audience reviews and it doesn't predict box office scores?

So what is it good for then?

Gauging audience reaction to a movie.

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Serious Cat posted...

Gauging audience reaction to a movie.

So if say a movie has a C on Cinemascore the audience score on other websites should be really low right?

And if it has an A it should be the other way around?

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The_Ivory_Man posted...

So cinemascore predict general audience reviews and it doesn't predict box office scores?

So what is it good for then?

It apparently does seem to predict some Box Office related things and generally does well. Citing outliers doesn't make it unreliable because outliers happen all the time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CinemaScore

Of course, if that doesn't work, another firm exists that does similar work, and is noted as better & more reliable than CinemaScore by people who criticize CinemaScore. Let's see how Rise of Skywalker has done:

https://deadline.com/2019/12/star-wars-rise-of-skywalker-opening-weekend-box-office-cats-bombshell-1202814594/

While PostTrak exits remain high at 4 stars and 70% definite recommend, with parents at 5 stars and kids under 12 at 4 1/2, the CinemaScore for Episode IX is yikes at a B+, which is lower than Solo: A Star Wars Storys A-. Still the grosses seem to be beating out the audience reaction.

No matter how you cut it, industry firms seems to be gauging generally positive reception out of the movie, with the less reliable (or, alleged to be) CinemaScore trending lower and the more reliable PostTrak trending higher. It's possible this doesn't translate to BO success, since outliers exist as stated prior, but there are no indications that general audiences dislike this movie.


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Phantom Menace was trash compared to Rise of Skywalker

Serious Cat posted...

Gauging audience reaction to a movie.

Also this; it would be useful since it backs the 77% unverified score pretty well, depending on how %s translate to grades on CinemaScore. Point being, OP's insistence that this is some Disney botting tactic doesn't hold up under scrutiny, unless Disney is buying everybody off (except critics, for some reason, despite supposedly doing this in the past for TLJ.)

It's nonsense

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Zero_Destroyer posted...

Also, is there any logical reason as to why Disney would abruptly switch from paying off critics to botting specific review websites' audience scores? Like uh, is their propaganda market slacking? If Disney was paying off critics and figured that wasn't working, why would they only bot audience reviews and not just *do both*?

This is what happens when you start with a conclusion. You start making up nonsense conspiracy theories that do not hold up under scrutiny and you disregard evidence as "fake" based on your "feeling" that something is weird. All of this over a shitty Star Wars sequel

Uh-huh

-RottenTomatoes is owned by Fandango, whose CEO is an ex-Disney rep who worked there for 16 years

-It's certainly easier to influence one site than multiple critics

I'm no mathematician but at its current amount of 24841 total audience ratings, they would've needed at least 21363 to hit 86% and yet not even half of those left a review (6255) and people are claiming their unfavorable reviews are being deleted or outright not posted

So sure, maybe this isn't a tin foil hat worthy consideration

But you can't tell me there's that much of an influx of new ratings that haven't shifted the 86% whatsoever this entire time

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AvantgardeAClue posted...

Uh-huh

-RottenTomatoes is owned by Fandango, whose CEO is an ex-Disney rep who worked there for 16 years

-It's certainly easier to influence one site than multiple critics

I'm no mathematician but at its current amount of 24841 total audience ratings, they would've needed at least 21363 to hit 86% and yet not even half of those left a review (6255) and people are claiming their unfavorable reviews are being deleted or outright not posted

So sure, maybe this isn't a tin foil hat worthy consideration

But you can't tell me there's that much of an influx of new ratings that haven't shifted the 86% whatsoever this entire time

Went from conspiracy theories to defend a creepy anime voice actor to conspiracy theories about how people like the newest movie in the most popular sci-fi franchise of all time hey.

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AvantgardeAClue posted...

RottenTomatoes is owned by Fandango, whose CEO is an ex-Disney rep who worked there for 16 years

then why has disney been subjected to several critical flops

why do other more reliable firms back the RT score

-It's certainly easier to influence one site than multiple critics

but the same people accusing disney of botting audience reviews are the ones who argued they regularly pay off critics, so you aren't even providing an explanation for a sudden shift in strategy

I'm no mathematician but at its current amount of 24841 total audience ratings, they would've needed at least 21363 to hit 86% and yet not even half of those left a review (6255)

because leaving a review takes more effort than clicking a like/dislike button

this applies the same exact way to Youtube videos. This isn't even weird, it's standard for all websites. Reddit (generally) has more upvotes on posts than comments, youtube has more likes/dislikes than comments, twitter (generally) has more likes than comments, etc.

it's like you've just noticed how reviews vs. comments on the internet worked

and people are claiming their unfavorable reviews are being deleted or outright not posted

are they providing evidence, or this this another "Disney bought tickets for Captain Marvel and I have anonymous internet sources that prove it" situation?

But you can't tell me there's that much of an influx of new ratings that haven't shifted the 86% whatsoever this entire time

because the standards are linear and defined as a score of 3.5 or higher. what happened is people who went and saw the film on day 1 were an adequate sample size that represented other people who later went & saw the film

when you back this with CinemaScore/PostTrak data it all lines up pretty well

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KillerSlaw posted...

What if I think both are shitty?

I think both are terrible as well. And it's obviously anecdotal and more reflective of the sites I visit, but I'm seeing just as much distaste for TROS on this site and youtube comments, etc, as I did TLJ.

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BakonBitz posted...

I find it funny that the critic and fan ratings have almost entirely switched around with this one compared to TLJ.

Because this is reddit directs a star wars. And it's predictably awful. But its full of bad fan service, unlike end game which earned and set up it's fan service

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ITT: The Law of Big Numbers doesn't exist

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I Like Toast posted...

But its full of bad fan service, unlike end game which earned and set up it's fan service

Lol

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Death Stranding gets a large amount of two sentence, new user reviews and they are fake.

RoS gets them and they're completely fine.

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This whole "review conspiracy" shit is probably the lamest internet 'controversy'.
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Darmik posted...

Went from conspiracy theories to defend a creepy anime voice actor to conspiracy theories about how people like the newest movie in the most popular sci-fi franchise of all time hey.

And for both you're operating off of incomplete information and are filling in the gaps with "muh gut instinct" so I'd shut the fuck up Mr. 0/2

Zero_Destroyer posted...

because the standards are linear and defined as a score of 3.5 or higher. what happened is people who went and saw the film on day 1 were an adequate sample size that represented other people who later went & saw the film

when you back this with CinemaScore/PostTrak data it all lines up pretty well

So your big counter evidence is.....another website that records data? A website that was ridiculed by someone in the first half of this topic and according to some quick research, still gives TROS the lowest grade of any Star Wars movie ever? The evidence you provided isn't even in your favor.

Hell, aside from that all you've been saying is that "Well can you prove it wasn't a complete and total fabrication? Why would Disney (who has more money than god) POSSIBLY influence the scores of a movie in a franchise they paid $4 billion for and want to sell well?" Idk what inside sources I'm expected to reveal at this point, but I think anyone who isn't hoping that this movie succeeds can see there's some interference being run on RT. When TLJ got low scores (despite having less audience ratings than TFA so not review bombed) people blamed everything from Russian bots to "political provocateurs", but when this movie tanks with critics and the audience score is locked, "uhh well it's one of the most popular series of all time after all", good grief.

The reviews aren't tied to the audience scores, but then again when you have reviews like "I love it as all previous movies of Star Wars!!! 5/5!" it looks like there isn't much effort required for the written reviews either. I don't think they mean much for the audience ratings, but thought they weren't particularly supportive of the overall score either.

Just show this to someone completely in the dark and see if they're convinced that this is one big fucking coincidence. 18K boost in audience ratings and not a single % increased or decreased. So ridiculous

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__aCEr__ posted...

I think when people talk about this sequel trilogy in the future the conversation is always going to come down to Team TLJ vs Team ROS.

I think in effect it is team Johnson vs team Abrams. And it is entirely Disney's fault for not going into the trilogy with a clear vision of the story they wanted to tell. Or if they did have a clear vision not appropriately communicating it to their directors and holding them to it.

So you have a series of movies that just keep walking back from the last one.

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18K boost in audience ratings and not a single % increased or decreased. So ridiculous

TC, this point only makes sense if the rating system is percent based. Its not; its simply a positive or a negative rating. It makes total sense that the percent of people who liked the movie the first day would match the percent of people who like it overall.

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Bananana posted...

TC, this point only makes sense if the rating system is percent based. Its not; its simply a positive or a negative rating. It makes total sense that the percent of people who liked the movie the first day would match the percent of people who like it overall.

They now base it off of verified movie ticket purchases that rated it positively (3.5 stars or higher). People thought TLJ was review bombed because it had thousands of negative ratings that weren't verified, so if anything the % is more relevant here than with TLJ.

How does the audience ratings go from 6K to 25K and the % refuses to rise or fall even by 1%? Even if everyone who rated it after 86% loved it, you'd think there would be an increase at the very least, unless literally every negative review is being canceled out with a positive one...which is in the realm of probability I'm sure

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AvantgardeAClue posted...

They now base it off of verified movie ticket purchases that rated it positively (3.5 stars or higher). People thought TLJ was review bombed because it had thousands of negative ratings that weren't verified, so if anything the % is more relevant here than with TLJ.

How does the audience ratings go from 6K to 25K and the % refuses to rise or fall even by 1%? Even if everyone who rated it after 86% loved it, you'd think there would be an increase at the very least, unless literally every negative review is being canceled out with a positive one...which is in the realm of probability I'm sure

Tbh, my knowledge of statistics is a little dusty because I havent looked at it in a while. But if there were mostly positive ratings on the first day, then that diminishes the importance of positive ratings. One negative rating drops the percentage much more than one positive rating would raise it. So as one poster pointed out already, you could have a lot more positive votes and not as many negative votes and have the percentage stay fixed.

It is unlikely, sure, but totally within the realm of possibility and the data from other movie rating websites does seem to support it.

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It's a conspiracy

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I wasn't making fun of you I was making fun of TC

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Doom_Art posted...

I wasn't making fun of you I was making fun of TC

Gee thanks

[LFAQs-redacted-quote]


I'm the mfing town hero don't worry

At least as long as I don't rag on Space Wizards 9

Close to 39,000 audience ratings

86%

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Have you taken a statistics course in your life?

If you have, they need to fire whoever taught it.

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Jabodie posted...

Have you taken a statistics course in your life?

If you have, they need to fire whoever taught it.

I think she retired

Tell me what I wanna know sensei

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And there we go.

it's A cOnSPIraCy

Hairistotle posted...

i feel like i cant be in star wars discussions anymore without being mocked and laughed at. i dont even think i act out of line when it comes to new star wars

Fam this type of vitriol only applies to the movies and with good reason

Absolutely nobody can tell you not to enjoy yourself either way

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KillerSlaw posted...

Death Stranding gets a large amount of two sentence, new user reviews and they are fake.

RoS gets them and they're completely fine.

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I find it more suspicious that this guy counted all of the non-clickable verified users on Rotten Tomatoes.

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IShall_Run_Amok posted...

I find it more suspicious that this guy counted all of the non-clickable verified users on Rotten Tomatoes.

Nah, I learned long ago from gaming to never underestimate what some people will suffer through to prove a point or achieve the impossible, as long as theyre given enough time and have the motivation to do it. Its like you watch a dude solo some RPG raid boss, when you know its supposed to be impossible and normally takes dozens of players, or someone plays Zelda blind or Guitar Hero with their feet.

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