Current Events > the rise of skywalker shows that if you pander to fans, then it'll be loved

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try to do any original, interesting or ground breaking then get attacked by fans and downvoted to hell

the arrogance of JJ abrams to pretend TLJ never happened, do a TFA sequel and rehash old characters and ideas to fans is a p terrible move. it'll show in a few years time that doing an enjoyable fan service film does nothing to add to the overall SW universe

there's some enjoyable parts to the film but what a weird low to end the saga on. the fans are super divided and JJ went quite extremist in RoS to fast track fan service and destroy the themes TLJ established

hbo's watchmen is a great example of how to modernise an franchise with new ideas while keeping everyone happy

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TLJ will be the only thing remembered somewhat positively about the trilogy in 20 years

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Delirious_Beard posted...

TLJ will be the only thing remembered somewhat positively about the trilogy in 20 years

the TLJ backlash is what caused RoS to be rushed, disappointing and overly safe

which is a shame because as you said, i think TLJ will be looked at positively for trying to inject something new and different in the future. sure the execution wasn't great, but i loved that rian at least tried to do something original with star wars whereas JJ's arrogance just delivered the same old shit rehashed for fans

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ROS needed more wacky grumpy Luke drinking alien titty milk

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SSJGrimReaper posted...

ROS needed more wacky grumpy Luke drinking alien titty milk

i could use some alien titty milk after watching RoS

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Are we pretending the TLJ was original and good now? Fucking LOL. Shitting on beloved characters and ignoring established lore is not brave and it certainly isn't original. Rian is a hack and his movie sucked.

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Vyrulisse posted...

Are we pretending the TLJ was original and good now? Fucking LOL. Shitting on beloved characters and ignoring established lore is not brave and it certainly isn't original. Rian is a hack and his movie sucked.

its attitudes like this that made RoS regressive and pander to fans who dont like change or shaking up tired ideas that weve already explored in the original and prequel trilogy

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Y'know what, now that I've seen it and everything's fresh in my mind, I will drop the most nuclear, the Bikini Atoll, the Chernobyl of hot takes:

I enjoyed all eleven Star Wars films. Unironically.

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This whole fiasco happened because Rian didn't want to give fans what they want.

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Bit of a segue, but IGN/Gamestop videogame reviews prove this too. Those publications are singularly incapable of producing a negative review without the entire gaming community losing their minds over it. And obviously that will affect their bottom line, so they have to pander.

I know they get a lot of flack for legitimate reasons, but frankly they're so popular now that the meme about them giving every game an 8/10 or above is created by fanboy gamers who don't want to hear a single bad word said about their game.

Independent reviewers get away with it more, obviously.

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I don't have any obsessive love for Star Wars. I grew up around the prequels so got into the sheer merchandising force around them and obviously liked the originals but I don't care all that much about the franchise generally. It's exactly that, a franchise

That said, I will always really liked how TLJ attempted to do things differently, how it wasn't just a tired ANH retread with zillions of mystery boxes for fans to chew over. For them to simultaneously try and play it safe once again while also, by the sounds, giving TROS this manic video game esque feel just sounds awful tbh. I'll prob go see it with my parents all the same

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If I end up not liking TROS, I'll still be happy we got TLJ out of all this. One worthwhile movie is better than none and it stands on its own well enough

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why do they even need to announce everything as a new trilogy anyway lol, just do some standalone films (obviously they tried to do this too for a while) or a pair of films or whatever. Just seems so cynical

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Parappa09 posted...

its attitudes like this that made RoS regressive and pander to fans who dont like change or shaking up tired ideas that weve already explored in the original and prequel trilogy

most of the people who trashed on TLJ seem equally averse to the shitty leaks. There isnt a binary choice between Anti-climax: the movie and fanboy handhob. >_>


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AlisLandale posted...

most of the people who trashed on TLJ seem equally averse to the shitty leaks. There isnt a binary choice between Anti-climax: the movie and fanboy handhob. >_>

Let them slobber all over TLJ. I've learned they're as delusional as Trump cultists.

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Rogue One already proved that though.

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You were always gonna get #neverforgiveneverforget style fanboys rage given the depth of vitriol that followed TLJ. It actually makes trying to reverse course and go back to TFA pt2 even more stupid

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dave_is_slick posted...

Let them slobber all over TLJ. I've learned they're as delusional as Trump cultists.

Imagine being this bitter that some people liked something

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Parappa09 posted...

its attitudes like this that made RoS regressive and pander to fans who dont like change or shaking up tired ideas that weve already explored in the original and prequel trilogy

How the fuck did RoS pander to fans?

If anything TFA pandered too fans, because it was very fucking similar to ANH.

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Kolibri X posted...

This whole fiasco happened because Rian didn't want to give fans what they want.

no, it's because rian wanted to do something new in the SW universe rather than rinse and repeat a la JJ

he said he didn't want do appease fans because star wars fans are never happy regardless. which is turning out to be correct since we're all destroying ourselves

pinky0926 posted...

I know they get a lot of flack for legitimate reasons, but frankly they're so popular now that the meme about them giving every game an 8/10 or above is created by fanboy gamers who don't want to hear a single bad word said about their game.

which kinda sucks because it makes creators become a lot more conservative since they don't want to upset their hardcore fanbase

NinjaBreakfast posted...

That said, I will always really liked how TLJ attempted to do things differently, how it wasn't just a tired ANH retread with zillions of mystery boxes for fans to chew over.

agreed, and it's pathetic that there's been such a huge backlash of establishing a new direction for the new sequels

AlisLandale posted...

most of the people who trashed on TLJ seem equally averse to the shitty leaks. There isnt a binary choice between Anti-climax: the movie and fanboy handhob. >_>

i did read a comment somewhere is that RoS managed to do what TFA and TLJ failed to do

bring the fanbase together on how disappointed they were with the ending of the sequel trilogy

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People seem to forget that the original trilogy worked in spite of three different directors, not because of.

Disney thought they could recreate that magic but they had to bring Rian Johnson's dumbass on board

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Parappa09 posted...

no, it's because rian wanted to do something new in the SW universe rather than rinse and repeat a la JJ

he said he didn't want do appease fans because star wars fans are never happy regardless. which is turning out to be correct since we're all destroying ourselves

http://imgur.com/gallery/YDcwSWB
"IT BROKE NEW GROOOOUND"

No, thats a cop out for it being shit. What kind of a massive asshole gets his hands on a beloved IP and decides to shit on its fans because he's an arrogant hack? The Mandalorian is doing something new and it isnt hated by fans and critics alike for being complete shit. Imagine that. It is possible.

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you guys just say 'hack' for everything it's really annoying/embarrassing

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Honestly, they should have doubled down on TLJ and continued. It's like changing lanes 3 times because you can't make up your mind where you want to be.

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SmidgeIsntBack posted...

Rogue One already proved that though.

hahah R1 pandered? that's the first i've heard of that take

NinjaBreakfast posted...

You were always gonna get #neverforgiveneverforget style fanboys rage given the depth of vitriol that followed TLJ. It actually makes trying to reverse course and go back to TFA pt2 even more stupid

the blind hatred TLJ caused still surprises me. it just sucks that JJ caved into this vitriol and put a middle finger up to rian

AvantgardeAClue posted...

Disney thought they could recreate that magic but they had to bring Rian Johnson's dumbass on board

disney also thought that there didn't need to be an overarching plan for the sequel trilogy which ended up in this mess we're in. absolutely nothing to do with rian or him being a dumbass for whatever reason you think

Kolibri X posted...

What kind of a massive asshole gets his hands on a beloved IP and decides to shit on its fans because he's an arrogant hack?

how did rian shit over star wars and the fanbase exactly?

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Parappa09 posted...

the arrogance of JJ abrams to pretend TLJ never happened, do a TFA sequel and rehash old characters and ideas to fans is a p terrible move. it'll show in a few years time that doing an enjoyable fan service film does nothing to add to the overall SW universe

Except Rian tried to pretend TFA never happened and took major plot points that were to be fleshed out and flushed them down the drain. He went out of his way to piss fans off. I still blame the executives more for not having any semblance of a plan for the trilogy.

Also, people seem to love Rogue One and that was basically a big budget fan film.

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Lol thomp blocked me

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i really don't know what a lot of "fans" wanted or expected to happen with Luke's character

the stuff with Finn and Rose i really don't have any intention of defending, but Luke's characterization (and Hamill's performance) are probably the highlight of the sequel trilogy

the worst thing about the sequels (and something JJ helped initiate) is just how uninteresting the universe is. even the fucking prequels had some interesting world building and potential to be fleshed out. Abrams basically did the same thing with Star Trek when he just sucked all the intrigue out of that series' world.

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au_gold posted...

He went out of his way to piss fans off

again, people say this but directors don't make films to piss fans off...

i get your angle on going on a different direction from TFA, but considering that TFA was a complete rehash of ANH and there was hardly anything original, what else was he supposed to do?

but yeah the one thing that everyone agrees on is that the execs and disney overlords play a lot of blame for how the last three episodes played out

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Vyrulisse posted...

Are we pretending the TLJ was original and good now? Fucking LOL. Shitting on beloved characters and ignoring established lore is not brave and it certainly isn't original. Rian is a hack and his movie sucked.

This.

Is this topic in the twilight zone or something? >_>
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Theres a big difference between pandering to fans and respecting the source material.

Rian actively shat all over beloved characters and wasted incredible opportunities in TLJ that could have involved Luke, Leia, and Han together.

Instead, we got the casino planet. That, and blowing off Snoke after two years of fan speculation with no exposition on him whatsoever was a shitty thing to do as far as story telling. It was incredibly cheap.

You can do new things without shitting on the source material the way Rian did. I mean...Luke chilling on a planet alone drinking alien titty milk for 30 years? What the fuck?

Kensaimage posted...

It was incredibly cheap.

This could also be used to describe every single boring ANH retread mystery box from TFA. Only, yknow, accurately

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it's getting really annoying hearing that Abrams set up the next movie for amazing things and that Johnson "ruined" it all. leaving a bunch of stuff unexplained and cryptic does not mean you are doing a good job of planned storytelling.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2cBTLsWiDg

i'll just post this video again for those that continue to feign bewilderment as to why some people enjoy certain things about TLJ. again, i only really like the luke stuff in the movie, the rest i don't really care about.


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I dont know how anyone can say without trolling that TROS pretends tlj never happened.

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Hairistotle posted...

Johnson said he intentionally made it to be divisive because he thinks divisiveness is indicative of quality

This.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpqgYSUL38M

And apparently according to many people if you dislike a SW movie you're just a virgin neckbeard who hates women and wanted SW to be DBZ or some shit like that.

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Parappa09 posted...

its attitudes like this that made RoS regressive and pander to fans who dont like change or shaking up tired ideas that weve already explored in the original and prequel trilogy

I hate when music bands try to be innovative and diviate from what I liked about them. it's like, dude, I liked your first 3 albums, then you changed your sound and now it sucks ass. Looking at you, Atreyu, in flame, korn, metallica... the list goes on.

I assume it's similar with movies and games.

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Delirious_Beard posted...

it's getting really annoying hearing that Abrams set up the next movie for amazing things and that Johnson "ruined" it all. leaving a bunch of stuff unexplained and cryptic does not mean you are doing a good job of planned storytelling.

For your first film in a trilogy, it could. That is what people were interested about when they saw TLJ.

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Kensaimage posted...

Rian actively s*** all over beloved characters and wasted incredible opportunities in TLJ that could have involved Luke, Leia, and Han together.

To be fair, Abrams ruined it by not only having them never reunite, but by making sure they could never could reunite.

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Parappa09 posted...

hbo's watchmen is a great example of how to modernise an franchise with new ideas while keeping everyone happy

Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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AvantgardeAClue posted...

People seem to forget that the original trilogy worked in spite of three different directors, not because of.

But there was still one dude with a vision making sure they actually followed each other.

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I havent seen the new movie yet, but if people are complaining that JJ played up the fanservice, youre all aware that TFA was basically an Episode 4 rehash right? Fanservice was the only thing I did expect from this movie

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genuinely boggles the mind when people keep saying TLJ did anything different

oh its a salt planet not an ice planet
oh the generic dark lord is betrayed by his Skywalker apprentice to protect the protagonist in the second movie not the third
Luke is an old hermit like Yoda and goes out like Obi-Wan but its different somehow


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Freddie_Mercury posted...

genuinely boggles the mind when people keep saying TLJ did anything different

oh its a salt planet not an ice planet
oh the generic dark lord is betrayed by his Skywalker apprentice to protect the protagonist in the second movie not the third
Luke is an old hermit like Yoda and goes out like Obi-Wan but its different somehow

Yet people complain rian johnson "shit on the feeehns" because he hates them and doesn't care what they want and did a bunch of radical shit and ruined star wars

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Yeah those retorts seem a lot more pertinently directed at the people who think it ruined the series and every character in it

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"YOU DIDN'T LIKE THE LAST MOVIE SO IT'S YOUR FAULT THIS NEW MOVIE SUCKS REEEEEEEE"

lmao at blaming the fans. no the new movie sucks because jj abrams and chris whats his name are also hacks who cant write for shit. idk how anyone could look at who was behind this film pre-release and not think it was going to suck

Parappa09 posted...

agreed, and it's pathetic that there's been such a huge backlash of establishing a new direction for the new sequels

I'd argue that one of the biggest problems with the disney trilogy is that they DIDN'T establish a new direction for the new sequels, they just tried to make a trilogy that runs parallel to the OT. making Rey's parents nobodies or sith or Hutts or whatever means nothing in the long run, it's all surface-level window dressing

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dave_is_slick posted...

But there was still one dude with a vision making sure they actually followed each other.

That too. Probably one of the reasons George didn't direct the last two is because he was trying to nail down the story

Rian and JJ however tried to double dip and multi-task

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"Rian Johnson shit on the old characters" is just code for "I disagree with what he did with Luke but I am wrong every time I try to argue it and you guys keep making me feel bad". Nobody ever argues about Chewie or Leia's characterization, its just Luke. And they are wrong.

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