Current Events > Conservatism and Nationalism is rising worldwide.

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I think the left has trouble presenting a consistent and viable alternative. Japan doesn't have PC culture or much immigration, yet the right is stronger than ever here. Why? The opposition is in total disarray. Parties splitting open and forming new ones constantly. No consistent ideology, and everything from communists to basically also conservatives but dislike the current ones in charge. Look at the recent UK election. What a disaster the opposition was. A guy no one really liked running on an ambiguous platform (is he remain, is he leave?) and another opposition party that couldn't really explain what was different about it. Conservatives just seem to be consistently better at playing politics, sticking together, gaming the system, whatever it takes to win.

Also you got clowns going on about communism or socialism, and then when someone goes to any gathering of them (say r/communism for example) it's a clown show of people talking about how great North Korea and the PRC are along with people triggered by clapping. I honestly feel like a lot of these people are actively trying to make their movements look bad. It at least feels like they have no interest in being capable of winning an election.

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Solid Snake07 posted...

Not enough recognition for burning @RebelElite791 's ass so bad he ran away from this topic like I posted his nudes tbh

Aww, sorry, some people have jobs and arent up shitposting about liberals til 12am.

curious what you think nazism was a response to. Teh libs as well?

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evil_zombie11 posted...

Conservatism is the new counter culture despite liberalFAQ's making you think otherwise.

Conservatism is definitely a counterculture, considering that runs counter to the concept of culture.

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National pride begets xenophobia.

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are we painting the Tories as some type of far right party now lol (the UK is also probably the most right leaning of the Western European countries anyway)
the fox changed outfits, he didn't change ideology

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Funkydog posted...

They are an absolute minority of the younger generation though. The younger generation is heavily not conservative no matter how loud current conservatives claim otherwise.

Yes you get trolls and racists shouting, but Gen Z is by far the most progressive one and even the conservative ones stand by many of their progressive stances.

The younger generation is progressive in some ways but they're also exceedingly prudish, pro censorship and black and white in their morality.

Wonder why...

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A bunch of people can't accept the world is changing and want to regress us back to the 50s.

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Solid Snake07 posted...

Pc culture is obviously the answer.

The pc liberals these days remind me of the religious right when i was growing up in the 90s and early 2000s. The vast majority of people dont want to hear that bullshit, regardless what end of the spectrum you're on.

But that's just the way it is. Politics is a pendulum. It swings back and forth.

So to fight PC culture you let the religious right win? Ether way you lose.

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evil_zombie11 posted...

Conservatism is the new counter culture despite liberalFAQ's making you think otherwise.

This is pretty on point. Gamefaqs is part of the vocal minority as far as politics go. You have boomers who for all intents and purposes are more liberal in their social views than in the past, but they are fet up with everything to appease a group who vow for political correctness.

creativerealms posted...

So to fight PC culture you let the religious right win? Ether way you lose.

let's be serious most people are more comfortable with the isms of racialism, sectarianism classism and sexism than vocal opposition to them, better a bigot than a vocal anti bigot to most of the populace.

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Remember that most of the modern worlds "conservatism" is to the left of the GOP. Closer to moderate democrats and centrists.

Stuff like universal healthcare is supported by the conservative parties in most first world countries. Yet it is seen as "radical left" in America.

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Solid Sonic posted...

National pride begets xenophobia.

even diverse societies seem to develop xenophobic tendencies when societal trust erodes

that aside, the correlation between national pride and xenophobia tends to come hand in hand with reactionary populist movements weaponizing them, the movements themselves oft catalyzed by unhealthy political/economic climates

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doomer talk.

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creativerealms posted...

Remember that most of the modern worlds "conservatism" is to the left of the GOP. Closer to moderate democrats and centrists.

Stuff like universal healthcare is supported by the conservative parties in most first world countries. Yet it is seen as "radical left" in America.

this is also a good point but Americans have a tunnel vision mentality of only seeing the world through American lenses lol

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Solid Snake07 posted...

I didnt say there aren't I'll intentioned opportunists in the wings waiting to push an agenda. But those people dont really explain the sway of the opinion of most people.

Yes they do
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evil_zombie11 posted...

Conservatism is the new counter culture

such an incredibly dumb take

LethalAffinity posted...

My question for everyone: Why is it on the rise exactly? What is it a response to?

Woke culture

Cancel culture

Universities students protesting whatever

But in reality, the big one is globalism.

Globalism is on the downswing. Why?

Truth be told, it only rose because of WWII.
The idea that we all needed pacts to protect each other from the others.

And then certain areas have constant war and these governments are tired of bailing them out.

Isn't that the point of brexit? UK felt like they were bailing out the poorer countries?

nah, globalism is normal. it implies many things anyone can agree with, such as federal intervention during a wildfire. *cough* it's normal.

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Wewillrocku posted...

nah, globalism is normal. it implies many things anyone can agree with, such as federal intervention during a wildfire. *cough* it's normal.

Normal has nothing to do with voters perceptions.

Do you not agree that the conservative parties are the ones saying "we gonna take care of our country first"?

Let's see, the last time we saw the rise of nationalism after the collapse of colonialism it basically threw the entire world into mass upheaval with civil unrest and civil wars across the globe, followed by two world wars and millions dead.

But I'm sure it'll end fine this time

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LethalAffinity posted...

My question for everyone: Why is it on the rise exactly? What is it a response to?

It offers better than the alternative for many people, and this view is met with condescending insults far too often. Too many voices can't sell better ideas because they don't account for those what they propose offers no immediate desired benefit, if any will come at all, but does come with immediate undesired costs. They're trying to sell broken glitchy software they want to make perfect and get upset when people want to stay with what has worked or over time, something with better prospects. Rather than address concerns and adapt plans, we get insults about being old and backward and evil. When your concerns are met with insults, you leave and don't look back because who wants to support people that are treating them like shit when they don't get their way.

The left has too many voices that echo an abusive relationship (you don't love me if you don't give me everything I want), and we deserve to lose until we get that under control. People have the right to vote for theeir best interest and its our job to make our plans in their best interests, not shame people because we don't want to compromise.

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Whats sad is people trying to make nationalism a bad thing. Putting the well-being and affairs of your own country first doesnt mean you are disparaging other countries. Its not a zero sum game. Proud to be American, proud to be British, proud to be French, insert any other country, is not a bad thing.

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The Great Muta 22 posted...

Let's see, the last time we saw the rise of nationalism after the collapse of colonialism it basically threw the entire world into mass upheaval with civil unrest and civil wars across the globe, followed by two world wars and millions dead.

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But I'm sure it'll end fine this time

Curious.
Do you think we are in a period without civil wars?

lightwarrior78 posted...

The left has too many voices that echo an abusive relationship (you don't love me if you don't give me everything I want), and we deserve to lose until we get that under control. People have the right to vote for theeir best interest and its our job to make our plans in their best interests, not shame people because we don't want to compromise.

You speak like someone began following politics in 2015. "The left never wants to compromise" is objectively false

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nationalism has no clear meaning but it's still a controlling idea. that's the problem with it.

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Rebel_Patriot posted...

Whats sad is people trying to make nationalism a bad thing.

Fortunately, nationalists have always, and will always by definition, make nationalism a bad thing. Nothing good ever comes from basing your policies around stupidity.

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The Great Muta 22 posted...

You speak like someone began following politics in 2015. "The left never wants to compromise" is objectively false

At least in the US, the biggest downside to the left is that they keep trying to compromise with the otherside despite the other side being criminals and never extending the hand back.

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darkphoenix181 posted...

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Curious.
Do you think we are in a period without civil wars?

Not at all, and if anything we're seeing more and more civil unrest across the globalized and more developed nations and it'll likely spawn more and more violence and likewise suppression of citizens.

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With Trump's re-election assured this is the death wail for progressives and liberal ideals in America, he's definitely going to get 2 more supreme court seats now.

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tremain07 posted...

With Trump's re-election assured this is the death wail for progressives and liberal ideals in America, he's definitely going to get 2 more supreme court seats now.

i wouldn't be so certain about a hypothetical impending death of liberalism, as historical trends suggests otherwise, particularly within the context of democracy

it's not impossible but there longer term prerequisite factors than the liberal party temporarily going into the wilderness, if you'll keep in mind that a similar development happened to democrats in the 1970s and 1980s

fact of the matter is, liberalism and conservatism are both social inevitabilities; impossible to kill off either

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everybody is in a race to the bottom to be the REAL "counter culture"

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The Great Muta 22 posted...

Not at all, and if anything we're seeing more and more civil unrest across the globalized and more developed nations and it'll likely spawn more and more violence and likewise suppression of citizens.

Idk, the less developed nations seem to have had civil wars thoughout the 80, 90s and 2000s.

RebelElite791 posted...

Aww, sorry, some people have jobs and arent up shitposting about liberals til 12am.

curious what you think nazism was a response to. Teh libs as well?

you have to be nice to the far right or theyll just become more far right is the most bullshit copout.

I have a job too, just not a shitty one I have to be at on Friday night.

And I've said nothing about the far right you delusional nutjob

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Machete posted...

Yes they do

What a compelling and well thought out opinion

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Rebel_Patriot posted...

Proud to be American, proud to be British, proud to be French

Yeah being born in a random geographical location, such a reason to be proud

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EverDownward posted...

everybody is in a race to the bottom to be the REAL "counter culture"

Only to compete with those trying to get OUT, haha. It's sad.

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TheDreadedWave posted...

Yeah being born in a random geographical location, such a reason to be proud

There's nothing wrong with loving and being proud of your people and their accomplishments throughout history. You can do this and also take pride in your own accomplishments. They aren't mutually exclusive.

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LethalAffinity posted...

There's nothing wrong with loving and being proud of your people and their accomplishments throughout history.

Being proud of your heritage is for people who have nothing of their own to be proud of

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TheDreadedWave posted...

Being proud of your heritage is for people who have nothing of their own to be proud of

Did you not read the rest of what I posted?

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I think globalization has a lot to do with this rise in nationalism. Spoiler alert: most nations don't want to be controlled by the US/UN (or in other words, Western ideals).

Ethosian posted...

such an incredibly dumb take

Take it or leave it GUY

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konokonohamaru posted...

Globalisation hasn't worked out for most people

Globalization is one of the biggest causes of social disparity in the world.

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MaverickXeo posted...

Globalization is one of the biggest causes of social disparity in the world.

It's actually the other way around.
Factories built in Bangladesh and Mexico didn't cause disparity, but brazenly exploited it.

Questionmarktarius posted...

It's actually the other way around.
Factories built in Bangladesh and Mexico didn't cause disparity, but brazenly exploited it.

I guess that is true - but the fact is that these multi-national corporations continue to feed on it. Paying workers pennies a day is never going to help and only make things worse.

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MaverickXeo posted...

I guess that is true - but the fact is that these multi-national corporations continue to feed on it. Paying workers pennies a day is never going to help and only make things worse.

In the end, it's self-defeating.
Relocate the factories to where the cheap labor is, labor movement happens, repeat.
The planet is only so big.

Questionmarktarius posted...

In the end, it's self-defeating.
Relocate the factories to where the cheap labor is, labor movement happens, repeat.
The planet is only so big.

Some places will unlikely never have a labour movement or big changes to government for quite some time.

That, and the fact that there WILL ALWAYS be disparity of some sort, resulting in at least someone being exploited.

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MaverickXeo posted...

That, and the fact that there WILL ALWAYS be disparity of some sort, resulting in at least someone being exploited.

The ideal free market, is where you can choose who exploits you.

It's a cynical-as-hell idealism, but there's a lot of realism in that.

LethalAffinity posted...

There's nothing wrong with loving and being proud of your people and their accomplishments throughout history. You can do this and also take pride in your own accomplishments. They aren't mutually exclusive.

You're right.

The problem is the sudden change of energy when it comes to addressing the more shameful things that are linked to many of those accomplishments, and downplaying their aftermath on people not like themselves. You don't get to pick and choose which parts of the story should be romanticized and which parts should be dismissed.

People want to be openly proud of terrible things without the shame that comes with it.

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Solid Snake07 posted...

Pc culture is obviously the answer.

The pc liberals these days remind me of the religious right when i was growing up in the 90s and early 2000s. The vast majority of people dont want to hear that bullshit, regardless what end of the spectrum you're on.

But that's just the way it is. Politics is a pendulum. It swings back and forth.

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