Current Events > I thought Boris Johnson & Brexit was unpopular.

(+) Yeah! (+)

All the news outlets have been predicting a landslide victory for him & his party for the election.


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Labour found the one guy in the country who is more unpopular than Boris, and also pro Brexit anyway.

I hope the UK gets our expensive healthcare system.

You get what you vote for

Whatever online poll you see, add 20% to the conservative side of the issue to get an accurate result.

GodBlessAustin posted...

Whatever online poll you see, add 20% to the conservative side of the issue to get an accurate result.

I'm not sure which option is the conservative side.

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4th choice definitely. Conservatives love Vita

This pretty much means Trump truly is getting re-elected. those people who say that the world has effectively adopted a conservative stance were right

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It does make me nervous for 2020.

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iPhone_7 posted...

It does make me nervous for 2020.

we're fucked. really dislike british trump.
luckily french lady trump didn't get the nomination.
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It's just a vocal minority that screeches about it.... just like the US.

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I'm kinda buzzed. But listening to how this plays out on BBC World Service.
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I'm convinced he's been coasting off this moment and it might well be deserved:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMFPH6OCkQs

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tremain07 posted...

This pretty much means Trump truly is getting re-elected. those people who say that the world has effectively adopted a conservative stance were right

He might get the popular vote, but it is very difficult to gauge the electoral vote.

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tremain07 posted...

This pretty much means Trump truly is getting re-elected. those people who say that the world has effectively adopted a conservative stance were right

Macron says hi.

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jumi posted...

Macron

yellow vest are still pissed off about him.
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jumi posted...

Macron says hi.

His approval rating has steadily been 30%. Of course France is always fickle.

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Isn't Macron conservative though? He's certainly no liberal
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Macron is a centrist

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konokonohamaru posted...

Isn't Macron conservative though? He's certainly no liberal

He beat Female French Trump.

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tremain07 posted...

This pretty much means Trump truly is getting re-elected. those people who say that the world has effectively adopted a conservative stance were right

Depends on the Democrat candidate. The Labour candidate was already very unpopular as it was.

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tremain07 posted...

This pretty much means Trump truly is getting re-elected. those people who say that the world has effectively adopted a conservative stance were right

This rampant fearmongering thing you do is really starting to get annoying
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I wonder if this will make liberals look in the mirror and realize their hard stance against anything that isn't 100 percent their view is wrong. Like attacking and intimidating people and calling everyone who doesn't agree with you racist is gonna turn off a lot of moderate voters. I mean it seems simple enough to me.

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lilJoe457 posted...

I wonder if this will make liberals look in the mirror and realize their hard stance against anything that isn't 100 percent their view is wrong. Like attacking and intimidating people and calling everyone who doesn't agree with you racist is gonna turn off a lot of moderate voters. I mean it seems simple enough to me.

Wut

Liberals are the ones who keep trying to come to agreements and compromising.

Conservatives are the ones who keep going "lol fuck u" and just doing stupid shit
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lilJoe457 posted...

I wonder if this will make liberals look in the mirror and realize their hard stance against anything that isn't 100 percent their view is wrong. Like attacking and intimidating people and calling everyone who doesn't agree with you racist is gonna turn off a lot of moderate voters. I mean it seems simple enough to me.

If you really think this is a common thing that happens you should spend less time antagonizing people and learn that its not.


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Shablagoo posted...

If you really think this is a common thing that happens you should spend less time antagonizing people and learn that its not.

It really is in fairness to him

"Racist " has become "guy I disagree with"

Hell you don't even have to leave CE to see that.

The right are guilty of it too, pinning as much as they can as anti semitism
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UnfairRepresent posted...

It really is in fairness to him

"Racist " has become "guy I disagree with"

Hell you don't even have to leave CE to see that.

The right are guilty of it too, pinning as much as they can as anti semitism

If someone thinks Hispanic immigrants are murderers and rapists, even though immigrants from the south actually commit less crime than American-born citizens, they are racist and it is fair to call them racist.

If someone says a particular nations military was wrong to bomb innocent school children, it is not fair to call them anti-semitic. It is asinine and nonsensical.

So you see, while what youre describing does happen occasionally, what we often really have is racists being racist and then saying Youre only calling me racist because I disagree with you!

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On second thought .

I'm not touching this Hornets nest. You either drank the kool aid or you haven't
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Lol well I didnt see your post, so...

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don't engage Unfair, his modus operandi is to take an opposing stance regardless of what the issue is. dude just plays perpetual Devil's advocate, even if he ends up disagreeing with his previous posts

I did nazi that one coming.

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so bootleg Trump gets reelected...

wow, brits sure love to shoot themselves in the foot over and over.

also, when i saw him giving his speech, i noticed a guy in the background with a bucket on his head. and my question is: what the hell?? lol

ZevLoveDOOM posted...

bootleg Trump

Nah, Trump is stupid but pretends to be smart

Boris is smart but pretends to be stupid

ZevLoveDOOM posted...

also, when i saw him giving his speech, i noticed a guy in the background with a bucket on his head. and my question is: what the hell?? lol

That would be Lord Buckethead.

treewojima posted...

don't engage Unfair, his modus operandi is to take an opposing stance regardless of what the issue is. dude just plays perpetual Devil's advocate, even if he ends up disagreeing with his previous posts

xD

For the record @UnfairRepresent I dont think you are racist, and if people have accused you of being that Id disagree with them.

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Spooking posted...

You know how you can customize your character in a video game and then you see him in a cut scene later on? Well, that's how it is.

true

although I actually had good luck recently with Dragon Age: Inquisition where the character turned out better looking than I had made her.

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Online echo chambers =/= real life. The reality for all of us is that as birth rates are slowly dropping and people are living longer the general population is gradually skewing older.

Older people are disproportionately much more like likely to have conservative views, so...

ArchiePeck posted...

Online echo chambers =/= real life. The reality for all of us is that as birth rates are slowly dropping and people are living longer the general population is gradually skewing older.

Older people are disproportionately much more like likely to have conservative views, so...

Funnily enough, The Greatest Generation (those who grew up during The Great Depression and fought in WWII) actually trends to the far left. They would/will likely vote for Bernie Sanders in the next presidential election.

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ZevLoveDOOM posted...

also, when i saw him giving his speech, i noticed a guy in the background with a bucket on his head. and my question is: what the hell?? lol

Monster Raving Loony Party

In the UK there is a political party who are parodying the political system and how stupid it is by running in goofy costumes and spouting gibberish.

They never get many votes but they always have to stand byside the serious candidates and annoy them.

I like them as a concept, I think they're good for politics. They're trying to point out how silly this all is.

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British people do seem to be getting increasingly old- fashioned and stupid, but to be fair to the public a majority of people did not vote for the Brexit parties, we just have a bad voting system. Like how Trump 'won' with fewer votes.

Maze_ posted...

Monster Raving Loony Party

In the UK there is a political party who are parodying the political system and how stupid it is by running in goofy costumes and spouting gibberish.

They never get many votes but they always have to stand byside the serious candidates and annoy them.

I like them as a concept, I think they're good for politics. They're trying to point out how silly this all is.

like that black mirror episode

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He is If you only listen to centrist based news

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Woodger posted...

British people do seem to be getting increasingly old- fashioned and stupid, but to be fair to the public a majority of people did not vote for the Brexit parties, we just have a bad voting system. Like how Trump 'won' with fewer votes.

Its a bad voting system? When people talk about how the U.S. has a bad voting system they usually point to European countries like France & Britain as examples of superior voting systems.

I dunno whats what anymore.

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iPhone_7 posted...

Its a bad voting system? When people talk about how the U.S. has a bad voting system they usually point to European countries like France & Britain as examples of superior voting systems.

I dunno whats what anymore.

Britain's not that different from the US, with both having a first-past-the-post system. Don't know how it's done in France. However, the nordic countries have proportional representation systems, which I think is more democratic than FPTP.

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I think France has like two primary elections and then their general election.

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iPhone_7 posted...

It does make me nervous for 2020.

@iPhone_7 especially since so many dems won't learn from this lesson.

Corbyn was basically a socialist, maybe even delving a bit into communism. He managed to make moderates go like "awwwww hell no!" with some of his proposals, like state-run internet, and gave Boris an easy victory.

In the US the democrats took the house thanks to moderate candidates running on healthcare, yet their primary presidential candidates are trying to out-left each other and basically going like "REEEEEEE FREE GIBS! REEEEEE REPARATIONS!!! REEEEEE LEGALIZE BORDER HOPPING!" and moderates will go Brexit on them

iPhone_7 posted...

Its a bad voting system? When people talk about how the U.S. has a bad voting system they usually point to European countries like France & Britain as examples of superior voting systems.

I dunno whats what anymore.

Ita better than the US' system. The electoral college makes no sense

But it's still not great.

In the UK you vote for your local MP to run the area. Each constituency is roughly 70,000 people.

On paper that means local communities the representation they want and the government leader is just the most popular party.

In reality tho this is flawed . As another user said its still first passed the post as a system rather than a fairer representation.

For example UKIP only ever had 1 MP and that was an already popular conservative convert who took his support with him.

At the time over 10% of the population voted UKIP, yet for over a decade they had no representation

Same is true though less extreme for Liberal Democrats or Greens who get some MPs but barely any considering the millions who support them.

You also get safe zones that always vote the same way. Places like Aylesbury which have been conservative for decades, not much is going to change there.

As a result you get HUGE amounts of tactical voting. For example anyone who opposes Conservatives in aylesbury had to vote labour regardless of their beliefs because any other vote is as wasted as voting 3rd party in America.

We saw this in this very election where the Brexit party only ran in contested constituencies and left popular conservative ones alone, they never intended to win a single MP, just wanted to disrupt Labour and Lib Dem votes

On the flipside , in contested areas there can be no true majority. I think an MP in Northern Ireland won with 22% of the vote once.

Not even a quarter of the voting population supported her and shes in charge.

So in short yeah its "better" and "more representative " than the US' system but if the US gets an F then the UK gets a D+

Technically a passing grade but massive room for improvement

And this isn't even mentioning the House of Lords who the public has no control over who are a bunch of old fat men who can veto laws and legislation that the democratically elected government created just because they dont like it, the GOPs dream.

To be fair though, right now the UK is intensely split politically , I think foreigners seeing conservatives dominating the election wont realize just how divided the population is and just how much every party is viewed with disdain and scrutiny

Not violence , dont expect a revolution anytime soon, but about the only thing most of the UK can agree on is that they are all fucking sick of it

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Spooking posted...

You know how you can customize your character in a video game and then you see him in a cut scene later on? Well, that's how it is.

i lol'd irl.

Maze_ posted...

Monster Raving Loony Party

In the UK there is a political party who are parodying the political system and how stupid it is by running in goofy costumes and spouting gibberish.

They never get many votes but they always have to stand byside the serious candidates and annoy them.

I like them as a concept, I think they're good for politics. They're trying to point out how silly this all is.

oh yeah, now that i recall, Brazil did something similar as well...

they had a presidential candidate dressed like a clown and another dressed as Wolverine. lol