Current Events > I thought Boris Johnson & Brexit was unpopular.

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Maze_ posted...

Not violence , dont expect a revolution anytime soon, but about the only thing most of the UK can agree on is that they are all fucking sick of it

Basically

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Certain areas brexit has caused nothing but problems aka Scotland, border between Ireland and Northern Ireland.

iPhone_7 posted...

Its a bad voting system? When people talk about how the U.S. has a bad voting system they usually point to European countries like France & Britain as examples of superior voting systems.

I dunno whats what anymore.

Yeah, it's the First past the poll system which is very far from perfect and particularly weighted in favour of the conservatives just now, with how they got a significant 'majority' with under 44% vote share. There's more split with the central and left parties, meaning even if they get a majority between them, the conservatives can still sneak in and steal the win.

With this election it basically works out that the conservative party on average only needed 38300 votes to win a seat, while the Labour party needed 50701 to win one.

It's far worse still for the Liberal Democrats who needed 334122 votes to win a seat - they actually got 1.3 million more votes than in the last election and lost a seat as a result. And the Green party on average 864743 votes per seat.

Maze_ posted...

And this isn't even mentioning the House of Lords who the public has no control over who are a bunch of old fat men who can veto laws and legislation that the democratically elected government created

The House of Lords can't Veto laws or legislation, they can only delay and propose amendments, which the House of Commons can reject.

JE19426 posted...

The House of Lords can't Veto laws or legislation, they can only delay and propose amendments, which the House of Commons can reject.

You're splitting hairs

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Maze_ posted...

You're splitting hairs

Not really. There's a significant difference between "they can veto laws and legislation", and "they can delay, or try to amend laws and legislation".

JE19426 posted...

Not really. There's a significant difference between "they can veto laws and legislation", and "they can delay, or try to amend laws and legislation".

Not really.

I flat out said I wasn't trying to get into them and the point was to demonstrate that they are not publically elected and can stop Democratically elected Governments from passing laws and legislation.

https://www.ucl.ac.uk/constitution-unit/research/parliament/changing-role-house-lords/government-defeats-house-lords

I mean going "the House of Lords didn't veto a No-Deal Brexit, they just delayed the possibility of a No-Deal Brexit from possibly occuring until after the Brexit deadline while the UK was still trying to negociate." is splitting hairs. That undeniably blocked any chance of a no-deal Brexit from occuring and ensured an extention absolutely occured.

And don't twist my words, I'm massively against a No-Deal Brexit, the extention was a good thing my point is that going "Well it's not technically a veto. It's just effectively one in practical terms" is intentionally missing the point and defeats my whole purpose of trying to explain them quickly off handedly.

It's boarderline trolling.

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ZevLoveDOOM posted...

also, when i saw him giving his speech, i noticed a guy in the background with a bucket on his head. and my question is: what the hell?? lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLxUdYhXOk0

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cmiller4642 posted...

I hope the UK gets our expensive healthcare system.

You get what you vote for

other things UK might want that we voted for in 2016:

• lowest unemployment since 60s
• eased restrictions on small businesses
• massive job creation
• 11 trillion ADDED to the economy
• ability to engage and kill terrorists, instead of chasing them from one stronghold to another
• a more secure country
• competitive free market that drives down cost
• prison reform

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Brexit is popular, don't always trust the MSM on Brexit because even the BBC has lied about it sometimes.
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Hop103 posted...

Brexit is popular

I don't know about that.

But I think faffing around is unpopular.

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Maze_ posted...

I flat out said I wasn't trying to get into them and the point was to demonstrate that they are not publically elected and can stop Democratically elected Governments from passing laws and legislation.

Except they can't stop them, they can only delay them.

I mean going "the House of Lords didn't veto a No-Deal Brexit, they just delayed the possibility of a No-Deal Brexit from possibly occuring until after the Brexit deadline while the UK was still trying to negociate." is splitting hairs. That undeniably blocked any chance of a no-deal Brexit from occuring and ensured an extention absolutely occured.

Not at all. No-deal Brexit is the default. Parliament has to pass a deal. It doesn't ensure an extension at all.

And don't twist my words, I'm massively against a No-Deal Brexit, the extention was a good thing my point is that going "Well it's not technically a veto. It's just effectively one in practical terms" is intentionally missing the point and defeats my whole purpose of trying to explain them quickly off handedly.

It's boarderline trolling.

What the hell are you on about? When did I ever twist your words?

In the face of this I don't expect the EU to grant any more extensions on Brexit. Nor should they really, UK wants out, they can go, the EU doesn't have to give them any kind of deal. It will wreck the economy of the country. Especially London, whose economy is based on cheap labor from eastern europea. EU countries.

The Scottish Nationalist party has already started calling for a new independence referendum so they can be their own country and rejoin the EU. Northern Ireland will likely hold a referendum to join Ireland (also an EU nation). So essentially Boris Johnson is going to be the PM who presided over the dissolution of the UK.

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ScazarMeltex posted...

In the face of this I don't expect the EU to grant any more extensions on Brexit.

The EU does not benefit from a no deal Brexit

They will hand out extensions until the UK folds

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Im convinced its because of Brexit fatigue. People are tired of it hanging over the country and if anyone is going to get it done (for better or worse) its going to be Mr. Brexit.

Hell, Corbyn didnt even present a quick way out... he was just Brexit on a longer timetable which is a fucking joke and not something people wanted to deal with. Would not be surprised if he was replaced as head of Labour

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Alpha218 posted...

Would not be surprised if he was replaced as head of Labour

he's stepping down as soon as someone can take his position

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