Board 8 > Resident Evil 4 holds up still

(+) Yeah! (+)

I did not remember the dialogue being as cheesy as it was and I'm upset they changed "Mr. Scott" but aside from that I was v pleasantly surprised by how well the game held up.

My hit % was 69% by the end of the game also
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ExThaNemesis posted...

My hit % was 69% by the end of the game also

nice

still haven't played a RE game
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what how

not a single one?
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not a single one, not even for a second
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mr Scott?

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Snrkiko posted...

mr Scott?

In the early versions of the game, Salazar calls Leon "Mr. Scott." In this one it's "Mr. Kennedy."
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great game - but I do feel like it overstays its welcome a bit

Still top 3 video game for me.
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ExThaNemesis posted...

I did not remember the dialogue being as cheesy as it was

This was always one of the selling points!
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I don't like a single other game in this franchise (haven't played RE2make, to be fair), but I am always down for RE4. Fantastic game.

Your right hand comes off?

Insect lives dont compare to human lives!

Seriously the dialogue is too funny not to enjoy
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which handgun did you use for majority of the game?
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LeonhartFour posted...

not a single one, not even for a second

omfg what the hell

ExThaNemesis posted...

In the early versions of the game, Salazar calls Leon "Mr. Scott." In this one it's "Mr. Kennedy."

Mr Kennedy is so good

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RE4 will always hold up. One of the GOATs for sure.

Also also I just got RE2make on Black Friday and am beyond excited to start it.
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RE4 is always good for successive replays. Probably the greatest gameplay loop ever designed.
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ffmasterjose posted...

Your right hand comes off?

You're*
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LeonhartFour posted...

ExThaNemesis posted...

My hit % was 69% by the end of the game also

nice

still haven't played a RE game

LeonhartFour posted...

not a single one, not even for a second

same
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I want to replay it just from reading this topic.
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colliding posted...

great game - but I do feel like it overstays its welcome a bit

Agreed. They dont add enough to the game to make the length worthwhile.

Fantastic game though

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Best game ever
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colliding posted...

great game - but I do feel like it overstays its welcome a bit

love the game but yea this.
was desperate for it to end

LeonhartFour posted...

still haven't played a RE game

LeonhartFour posted...

not a single one, not even for a second

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I feel there's enough gameplay variety to keep most of the game fresh.

Chapter 1 - Intro. Most encounters are tense because everything is new. Capped with a unique boss fight at the lake.

Chapter 2 - The village at night, which I feel is about as unnerving as most classic REs. Introduces Las Plagas to up the tension, as well as El Gigante and the fantasic cabin fight which keeps the game straddling that fine line between horror and action. Capped with the unnerving Mendez fight, which imo is as creepy as anything from RE0-3. This is probably my favorite chapter.

Chapter 3 - The pacing does dip here since 3-1 is so long, 3-3 is perhaps the shortest chapter in the game, and 3-4 is Ashley's chapter (which will naturally turn some players off). Nonetheless, the setting is completely changed with the introduction of the castle and the creepier zealot enemies. Novistadors and Garradors (the giant insects and blind claw-men) also keep things fresh. By this point, most enemies have attacks that can easily decapitate Leon, who fights back with the addition of a SUPLEX to his arsenal of attacks. Still, there are no climactic boss fights here and the sub-chapters are inconsistent, so I don't think this is one of the game's strongest parts. In its defense, here is where the game's campy reputation is best established thanks to Salazar.

Chapter 4 - Makes up for Chapter 3 in spades. This is where Leon truly begins to explore the castle's secret areas, uncovering lava chambers, death traps, an elaborate network of underground tunnels, and a literal mine cart roller coaster. Waves of enemies are tossed at the player, and the quickly changing environments and setpieces (coaster, massive Salazar statue, lava areas) keep things interesting. By this point, the game has evolved - or devolved, depending on one's perspective - to focus much more on action than horror, but moments like the brilliant Verdugo fight maintain a subdued atmosphere of unease.

Chapter 5 - This one is messy and a little all over the place. Regenerators are probably some of the creepiest enemies in a video game. They are formidable, awkward, and practically pulsate with discomfort. Everything about them - from the music, to their labored breathing, to their unnatural animations - is designed to unnerve the player. They are encountered one at a time and NEVER as part of an enemy wave. When these guys aren't around, however, innumerable soldier grunts are thrown at Leon - many now wielding armor and long range weapons. While I'm not sure, I get the feeling that Chapter 5 might allow Leon to rack up more kills than the first four combined. The game still tries to blend action and horror, but it feels a little inharmonious here, and I feel some players resent the game's final hours because they essentially do serve as the precursor to RE5 and 6. Additionally, the final boss kinda sucks.

So yeah, RE4 does labor a bit across the finish line, but that does little to detract from its reputation as an all-time classic, and I honestly feel it usually keeps things fresh enough to justify its length.

2 > 4 > 1 > 3 = 5

Sorry for the novella, but I'm having trouble sleeping and can chat about this game all day - LEON PLAY IT.
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only RE game i've played
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CaptainOfCrush posted...

Chapter 5 - This one is messy and a little all over the place. Regenerators are probably some of the creepiest enemies in a video game. They are formidable, awkward, and practically pulsate with discomfort. Everything about them - from the music, to their labored breathing, to their unnatural animations - is designed to unnerve the player. They are encountered one at a time and NEVER as part of an enemy wave. When these guys aren't around, however, innumerable soldier grunts are thrown at Leon - many now wielding armor and long range weapons. While I'm not sure, I get the feeling that Chapter 5 might allow Leon to rack up more kills than the first four combined. The game still tries to blend action and horror, but it feels a little inharmonious here, and I feel some players resent the game's final hours because they essentially do serve as the precursor to RE5 and 6. Additionally, the final boss kinda sucks.

But 5-3 is one of the best "levels" ever in a videogame? I'd say it's the peak of the game, possibly tied with the Verdugo fight and the first time you get to the village.

5-3 literally has the Krauser QTE fight (which was mindblowing at the time), the laser hallway, It, and the actual Krauser fight all in succession. It's untouchably good.

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LeonhartFour posted...

not a single one, not even for a second

There seems to be a few people in this boat.

Why not give one of them a shot?

XIII_rocks posted...

But 5-3 is one of the best "levels" ever in a videogame? I'd say it's the peak of the game, possibly tied with the Verdugo fight and the first time you get to the village.

5-3 literally has the Krauser QTE fight (which was mindblowing at the time), the laser hallway, It, and the actual Krauser fight all in succession. It's untouchably good.

Preceeded by the truck set piece (at the end of 5-2) and followed by the chopper Mike section (start of 5-4) too. In terms of 2-3-ish hour long sections of gameplay I'm not sure there is much out there that can even hold a candle to it.

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Definitely, 5-3 is amazing. Krauser is the star attraction, but I've really come to appreciate the U-3 fight as well. The fight itself was so good that I feel the game did it a disservice by shoehorning it into the "Krauser chapter" as an afterthought. U-3 should have had Chapter 5-3 all to itself (with a little more buildup), and Krauser should have had 5-4. As it stands, 5-4 and 5-5 are probably my least favorite chapters of the game, and the only parts where RE4 starts to feel its length imo.
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LadyVyxx posted...

LeonhartFour posted...

not a single one, not even for a second

There seems to be a few people in this boat.

Why not give one of them a shot?

I mean, I've got RE0 from when it was free on PS+

I need to start playing some of my freebies. Maybe after I finish CS3.
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LeonhartFour posted...

I mean, I've got RE0 from when it was free on PS+

I say this as your friend - please don't start with 0. It's not really a "bad" game, but it is absolutely NOT the best that the series has to offer.
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CaptainOfCrush posted...

Definitely, 5-3 is amazing. Krauser is the star attraction, but I've really come to appreciate the U-3 fight as well. The fight itself was so good that I feel the game did it a disservice by shoehorning it into the "Krauser chapter" as an afterthought. U-3 should have had Chapter 5-3 all to itself (with a little more buildup), and Krauser should have had 5-4. As it stands, 5-4 and 5-5 are probably my least favorite chapters of the game, and the only parts where RE4 starts to feel its length imo.

I get it - but after Mike there's only one more big area before the final boss. You're probably about an hour from the end.

Although I will say I now know the game so well that I have no idea how long it would take for a first time player.

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LeonhartFour posted...

I mean, I've got RE0 from when it was free on PS+

I need to start playing some of my freebies. Maybe after I finish CS3.

Please dont start with RE0 or it will be the only RE game you ever play sadly.

The original REmake is cheap these days I believe and the best starting point

I honestly think RE4 is mislabeled as the "death knell to classic RE horror" because half the internet has invested a dozen playthroughs and forgotten their first time with the game. Back in 2005, the village (especially at night) was just as scary as RE2's police station. I'll argue that point with anyone forever.
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LadyVyxx posted...

LeonhartFour posted...

not a single one, not even for a second

There seems to be a few people in this boat.

Why not give one of them a shot?

just not my sort of game and i am now old and wise enough to know that and stop attempting to fool myself into enjoying actiony games
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LadyVyxx posted...

The original REmake is cheap these days I believe and the best starting point

Having "rediscovered" REMake since the HD Remaster, I was a bit surprised as to how well it has aged. It is hauntingly beautiful - sometimes resembling a series of dark paintings - and the mansion remains a pinnacle of level design. I don't think it's a stretch to consider it an all-time great game. It is so, so much better than RE0.

However, the one point which makes me hesitate to recommend it to a first-timer is the difficulty. Every zombie is a real threat, and inexperienced players can quickly find themselves overrun and out of ammo. While the modernized control scheme should help new players along, it might not be a bad idea to "tune up" with an easier entry to the series. I think RE2 fits that bill best.
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CaptainOfCrush posted...

I honestly think RE4 is mislabeled as the "death knell to classic RE horror" because half the internet has invested a dozen playthroughs and forgotten their first time with the game. Back in 2005, the village (especially at night) was just as scary as RE2's police station. I'll argue that point with anyone forever.

I think you could still say it is, but the more specific thing to say would be that Capcom learning the wrong lessons from it was the true "death knell".

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You stay here with Leon! He's better with the ladies...I'm sure...
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don't start with RE0, the inventory system is quite flawed

you'll be pulling your hair out trying to balance items if you don't use a walkthrough to tell you when to drop "that" item taking up space
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GranzonEx posted...

which handgun did you use for majority of the game?

Red9 fa life, dawg
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And I can echo that by the end I was kind of hoping it would just be over, especially after the wave upon wave of enemy schtick that they start doing to you on the Island.

My favorite fight other than Krauser was probably Verdugo. Mendez is top tier as well.

I replayed this one right after finishing RE7 and it was great to see the little things that have stayed with the series even 15 years on.
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ExThaNemesis posted...

GranzonEx posted...

which handgun did you use for majority of the game?

Red9 fa life, dawg

this is the correct answer
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oh wait I just checked my games library and it's the Resident Evil HD Remaster that I have

is that good
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Yes

REmake is an excellent thing

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I'm probably gonna do RE2Make next, and then REmake and RE:0 after.

I'm playing through these w my girlfriend and she's never played any of the earlier ones.
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LeonhartFour posted...

oh wait I just checked my games library and it's the Resident Evil HD Remaster that I have

is that good

excellent start

ExThaNemesis posted...

I'm probably gonna do RE2Make next, and then REmake and RE:0 after.

I'm playing through these w my girlfriend and she's never played any of the earlier ones.

no RE5?
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LeonhartFour posted...

oh wait I just checked my games library and it's the Resident Evil HD Remaster that I have

is that good

It's the second best in the series
Kind of depressing to start with the (almost) best game in the series, but all the mainline RE games are fun so it's fine

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The only re I'd feel comfortable in selling to leon is probably re4.

The older games are closer to metroidvania experiences.
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The first RE game has pretty much nothing in common with a metroidvania. It's more like an adventure game than anything else.
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A metroidvania is an adventure game too...

But what I mean is lots of exploring the same space looking to use different items to unbar your progress.
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