Current Events > Friendly reminder that GoldenEye isn't the best FPS on the N64.

(+) Yeah! (+)

Let alone the best Bond game on the N64.

That goes to Perfect Dark and The World is Not Enough respectively.
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Night Fire
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step up, senpai

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Everything or Nothing

coh posted...

Everything or Nothing

That game was sick.
In a lot of ways, it was 007: Uncharted before Uncharted.
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GoldenEye is still my fav, but I played TWINE a lot more. It was alway fun teaming with my best friend against the bots in multiplayer.

Nightfire was the real deal though. Soooo much fun.
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I never got the perfect dark hype, I'll be honest. To me it looked visually confusing, with a plot I felt very uninvested in and a bunch of new features I didn't really care for (other than the laptop turrets, those were cool).
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pinky0926 posted...

I never got the perfect dark hype, I'll be honest. To me it looked visually confusing, with a plot I felt very uninvested in and a bunch of new features I didn't really care for (other than the laptop turrets, those were cool).

A sci-fi, espionage thriller set in a futuristic, cyberpunk world. That shit was all up my alley. It's like Rare decided to apply the rule of cool on every aspect of the game.
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AlisLandale posted...

Night Fire

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Perfect Dark is the best on N64 but second place is GoldenEye 007.

TWINE on N64 is one of the better games, it would rank as 3rd best FPS.
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pinky0926 posted...

I never got the perfect dark hype, I'll be honest. To me it looked visually confusing, with a plot I felt very uninvested in and a bunch of new features I didn't really care for (other than the laptop turrets, those were cool).

If you didn't have a gaming PC or Playstation back then Perfect Dark was pretty cool. It had a lot of style.
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au_gold posted...

AlisLandale posted...

Night Fire

Nightfire*
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M_Live posted...

I completely agree. Even as a kid, I thought Perfect Dark was better. And, it still holds up pretty well today, going off the Rare Replay port which really keeps the game the same except some cleaned up textures and updated controls.

Remaster*
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On paper I understood perfect dark, but I just remember being like...what is going on
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Perfect Dark, on an actual N64, is barely playable today with it's slideshow framerate. The Rare Replay version is great though, the level design still shines.

Is PD a you have to be there thing? I got it on my 360 years ago and never could get into the story. The multiplayer was still fun though.

I can still replay GoldenEye every now and again. It's still fun to me even with all it's flaws.
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The best N64 shooter is Doom 64 easily.

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Superlinkbro posted...

The best N64 shooter is Doom 64 easily.

...Shut the fuck up.
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PD was way more fun than GoldenEye. I remember staying up all night playing 4-player split-screen at a buddys house. Good times.
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Superlinkbro posted...

The best N64 shooter is Doom 64 easily.

these plebs dont get it but yeah, its 100% the best singleplayer experience

perfect dark is definitely the best multiplayer experience on the console. Goldeneye has a fun singleplayer but few modern fps games match up to PD's flexibility, let alone anything on the N64

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Nahh Goldeneye is more fun than PD. TWINE does get overlooked, though.

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Goldeneye has a better singleplayer than Perfect Dark. Multiplayer-wise, Perfect Dark definitely wins.

I liked World is not enough's single player though. I'll give it credit >_>
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Lol I was playing the Turok franchise.
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cjs28 posted...

Goldeneye has a better singleplayer than Perfect Dark. Multiplayer-wise, Perfect Dark definitely wins.

Holy shit lolno

Perfect Dark actually have a narrative, actual cutscenes where cinematography and direction is going on and voice acting. So much more elements to tell the story it's trying to tell opposed to GoldenEye where it's essentially just a montage of missions that are very very loosely based on parts of the movie with boxes of text serving as the narrative device.

Perfect Dark's singleplayer shits all over GoldenEye's singleplayer with no mercy.
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ViewtifulGrave posted...

Lol I was playing the Turok franchise.

I had Turok: Dinosaur Hunter. I remember enjoying it, but I feel like I would probably hate it if I tried to play it now.
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Kitt posted...

cjs28 posted...

Goldeneye has a better singleplayer than Perfect Dark. Multiplayer-wise, Perfect Dark definitely wins.

Holy shit lolno

Perfect Dark actually have a narrative, actual cutscenes where cinematography and direction is going on and voice acting. So much more elements to tell the story it's trying to tell opposed to GoldenEye where it's essentially just a montage of missions that are very very loosely based on parts of the movie with boxes of text serving as the narrative device.

Perfect Dark's singleplayer shits all over GoldenEye's singleplayer with no mercy.

Does that really matter when the Perfect Dark story is literally shit? And I say that as a big fan of the game. Like, I would probably rate the games around equally as far as single player goes, or maybe PD slightly higher because it has a bit more diverse content, but that would be based on the quality of the missions, not because of how well PD told a crappy story that GoldenEye didn't need to tell.
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Goldeneye has the magic factor that those others don't. The stars aligned
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scar the 1 posted...

Kitt posted...

cjs28 posted...

Goldeneye has a better singleplayer than Perfect Dark. Multiplayer-wise, Perfect Dark definitely wins.

Holy shit lolno

Perfect Dark actually have a narrative, actual cutscenes where cinematography and direction is going on and voice acting. So much more elements to tell the story it's trying to tell opposed to GoldenEye where it's essentially just a montage of missions that are very very loosely based on parts of the movie with boxes of text serving as the narrative device.

Perfect Dark's singleplayer shits all over GoldenEye's singleplayer with no mercy.

Does that really matter when the Perfect Dark story is literally shit?

I mean, if you have a shit enough opinion to think that, sure. But even then, I say it does matters because those elements helped immersed you into that world way better than GoldenEye ever could, plus gameplay in the singleplayer for PD had things that helped change the flow here and there like the one mission where you got to ride around on a hoverbike or throwing in a new enemy type later on that plays differently from guys you were fighting initially.
Their single player experiences aren't at all in the same league lmao.
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Perfect Darks solo sucks. Improvement that somehow doesnt translate to being as fun especially in the second half

The slowdown hurts multiplayer

This is coming from someone who streams both to this day
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The only thing that I would give to GoldenEye is that it maintains frame rate far better. And that's it. PD is better in every conceivable way.
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Kitt posted...

The only thing that I would give to GoldenEye is that it maintains frame rate far better. And that's it. PD is better in every conceivable way.

I agree

PD also somehow manages to not be as fun.
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Perfect Dark is definitely more ambitious, but something about it just isn't as satisfying.

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I played the heck out of all 3. Can 100% confirm Golden Eye was the best and only one I have deep immense nostalgia for.

AlecSkorpio posted...

Kitt posted...

The only thing that I would give to GoldenEye is that it maintains frame rate far better. And that's it. PD is better in every conceivable way.

I agree

PD also somehow manages to not be as fun.

If you hate actual fun, sure.

SkyShow posted...

Golden Eye was the best

have deep immense nostalgia for.

At least it makes sense.
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I agree with Perfect Dark.

Not sure about TWINE. Never played it.

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Its kinda weird to me. My friends and I played the crap out of Goldeneye and I played through the campaign I don't know how many times. When Perfect Dark was announced I was incredibly hyped. Everything about it made it seem like a game we were going to play forever.

Then when it released. Nothing. I mean I think I got it day one and I remember thinking it was an obviously better game than Goldeneye, but something about it never clicked with me. I remember my friends and I played the multiplayer once or twice and while it was fun we kind of just dropped it. I loved everything the game was throwing out, but for some reason I didn't love the game. Same thing with TWINE kinda. I got that game for Christmas the year it released and remember enjoying the campaign, but then never played it again. I couldn't even tell you what happened past the first stage. I think I was going through a weird teenage phase at that time and may have lost interest in gaming for awhile
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Kitt posted...

If you hate actual fun, sure.

Nah, it's true. I play Goldeneye and PD (among other romhacks and such) to this day and I loathe to play the missions after Chicago. Palegic II is okay, I guess. But I think that has more to do with the soundtrack associated with it than the actual stage as it's just kind of a boring bunch of corridors that goes on for way too long.

And maybe this is just a personal preference, but the sci fi aspect of Perfect Dark is so uninspired. Same goes for the weapons in the game. Most of the weapons secondary functions are worthless outside of multiplayer.

Which is okay because I feel like Perfect Dark was definitely geared more towards multiplayer than single player (a key contrast from Goldeneye if you know anything about the development) but then the game runs like such absolute dog shit on N64 and came out way too late in the systems life to be anything of note.

I have no doubt the remaster was probably way better in this regard but by then I didn't care to try it and now that I care again nobody plays it I'm pretty sure.

So like, sure, you are technically correct that Perfect Dark improved on Goldeneye in almost every way. It's just that it didn't matter when it came at such high costs and at such a late point in the systems life.
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KillerSlaw posted...

Kitt posted...

If you hate actual fun, sure.

Nah, it's true.

Nah, false.
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Kitt posted...

I mean, if you have a shit enough opinion to think that, sure. But even then, I say it does matters because those elements helped immersed you into that world way better than GoldenEye ever could, plus gameplay in the singleplayer for PD had things that helped change the flow here and there like the one mission where you got to ride around on a hoverbike or throwing in a new enemy type later on that plays differently from guys you were fighting initially.
Their single player experiences aren't at all in the same league lmao.

Well now you're pivoting a little.

As far as immersion goes, you can still argue both sides. The fact remains that a poor plot doesn't necessarily improve a game if it's better told. Nor is it an entirely fair comparison - PD would have to work a lot harder by default since GoldenEye can rely on players having seen the movie. You don't need to tell the story as much, in fact you shouldn't, compared to a game with an original story. So the playing field is far from even to begin with. What I'm really arguing with you here is that the additions to narrative in PD don't automatically improve the single player experience.

Your other points about new vehicles and mechanics are well taken, but here I'm grappling with a similar issue: It was cool to add things like a vehicle and stealth enemies, but execution was so poor that I'm not convinced it resulted in a net improvement.
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scar the 1 posted...

Kitt posted...

I mean, if you have a shit enough opinion to think that, sure. But even then, I say it does matters because those elements helped immersed you into that world way better than GoldenEye ever could, plus gameplay in the singleplayer for PD had things that helped change the flow here and there like the one mission where you got to ride around on a hoverbike or throwing in a new enemy type later on that plays differently from guys you were fighting initially.
Their single player experiences aren't at all in the same league lmao.

Well now you're pivoting a little.

As far as immersion goes, you can still argue both sides. The fact remains that a poor plot doesn't necessarily improve a game if it's better told.

Good thing Perfect Dark's plot was pretty good.

Your other points about new vehicles and mechanics are well taken, but here I'm grappling with a similar issue: It was cool to add things like a vehicle and stealth enemies, but execution was so poor that I'm not convinced it resulted in a net improvement.

It's certainly an improvement over GoldenEye.
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Thanks, you've already made it clear that's what you think. I think the story is pretty trash.

The vehicle stuff was super clunky and useless, stealth was not fun, but on the flip side there were a bunch of fun weapons and firing range, challenges/etc bonus content that in the end makes PD come out on top for me.
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scar the 1 posted...

in the end PD come out on top for me.

That's all that matters.
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scar the 1 posted...

Kitt posted...

cjs28 posted...

Goldeneye has a better singleplayer than Perfect Dark. Multiplayer-wise, Perfect Dark definitely wins.

Holy shit lolno

Perfect Dark actually have a narrative, actual cutscenes where cinematography and direction is going on and voice acting. So much more elements to tell the story it's trying to tell opposed to GoldenEye where it's essentially just a montage of missions that are very very loosely based on parts of the movie with boxes of text serving as the narrative device.

Perfect Dark's singleplayer shits all over GoldenEye's singleplayer with no mercy.

Does that really matter when the Perfect Dark story is literally shit? And I say that as a big fan of the game. Like, I would probably rate the games around equally as far as single player goes, or maybe PD slightly higher because it has a bit more diverse content, but that would be based on the quality of the missions, not because of how well PD told a crappy story that GoldenEye didn't need to tell.

Literally doesnt mean what you think it means.
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coh posted...

Everything or Nothing

Wrong platform. That was a GameCube game.

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Solid Sonic posted...

coh posted...

Everything or Nothing

Wrong platform. That was a GameCube game.

I had it on PS2. I miss that game.
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spikethedevil posted...

Literally doesnt mean what you think it means.

The figurative meaning of literally has been around literally for ages, check the dictionary
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I haven't even read the first post but how do you have 44 fucking posts in this topic. Did one guy say he preferred duke 3d to goldeneye/perfect dark or something???
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I need to play Blood Stone.

I just bought 007 Legends (AGAIN) over the weekend (I bought it on PS3 at a garage sale but realizing that version lacks the DLC and the only version that can still get the DLC is the Wii U version by virtue of being on the disc, I spent the $10 to get a copy from GameStop). Need to start that.

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I never even looked into getting any other FPS games because golden eye seemed like enough lol

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YukihoHagiwara posted...

I haven't even read the first post but how do you have 44 fucking posts in this topic. Did one guy say he preferred duke 3d to goldeneye/perfect dark or something???

I'm counting 21 but that's still a lot of responses.

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