Current Events > Researching Death Note and my opinion has not changed Light was right

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And L had it coming

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near wrote light's name in the death note. even matsuda could see it
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L was such a hypocrite.

Light was right.

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Second best OP's in anime
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Great movie.

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I only watched it up until they introduced the girl, and I'm absolutely appalled that anybody would side with Light up to that point.
He's literally like Anon and all the shitty fucking digital vigilantes. Supporting him is one of the worst opinions a human being can have, imo.

Are you still a good person if you are forsaking your humanity to get rid of the evil people in the world and killing any innocents that get in your way?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgBYtop_rVo

Sorry.

Reflex.
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Beveren_Rabbit posted...

Are you still a good person if you are forsaking your humanity to get rid of the evil people in the world and killing any innocents that get in your way?

getting rid of "evil people" isn't a symptom of being a "good person"

How was L a hypocrite
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bobbaaay posted...

I only watched it up until they introduced the girl, and I'm absolutely appalled that anybody would side with Light up to that point.
He's literally like Anon and all the shitty fucking digital vigilantes. Supporting him is one of the worst opinions a human being can have, imo.

It's not real. So being on his side doesn't make you a bad person...

I cheered for Walt too. He was clearly the bad guy.

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Wewillrocku posted...

near wrote light's name in the death note. even matsuda could see it

Nah, Near wrote Mikami's name.
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I haven't watched much past L getting killed. , he seemed to a good guy, why should he that have happened to him. Also didn't light kill his own father.
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bobbaaay posted...

Beveren_Rabbit posted...

Are you still a good person if you are forsaking your humanity to get rid of the evil people in the world and killing any innocents that get in your way?

getting rid of "evil people" isn't a symptom of being a "good person"

Even worse he is killing SUSPECTED criminals lol

cjsdowg posted...

I haven't watched much past L getting killed. , he seemed to a good guy, why should he that have happened to him. Also didn't light kill his own father.

No, he didn't kill his dad.
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cjsdowg posted...

I haven't watched much past L getting killed. , he seemed to a good guy, why should he that have happened to him. Also didn't light kill his own father.

He laughed about it.
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Zack_Attackv1 posted...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgBYtop_rVo

Sorry.

Reflex.

https://youtu.be/T-AdDpmn1SE

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How anyone can see Death Note as anything other than a tale of absolute power corrupting absolutely is beyond me.

Light is not and never was the good guy.
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Banana_Cyanide posted...

How anyone can see Death Note as anything other than a tale of absolute power corrupting absolutely is beyond me.

Light is not and never was the good guy.

One could argue that Light was a good guy before the initial L broadcast. In fact, there is an intentionally placed moment in the broadcast where you can see the instant that Light goes from willing to sacrifice his morals because he believes it will improve the world to deciding that questioning his morals is justification to be killed on its own.

Though with how quickly this occurs and with such minor pressing from L, it's pretty apparent that this would have happened no matter what. Whether that means Light was "never good" or just that he was destined to fall quick is up to the viewer.
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jumi posted...

Nah, Near wrote Mikami's name.

I read volume 13, it's the one that has all the creator and development stuff in it. He didn't write either in it, in fact he never needed to because of Mikami screwing Light over with his routine and most of all trying to kill Kiyomi Takada.

Though I guess in that non-canon L change the world novel, L did write Light's name.

cjsdowg posted...

I haven't watched much past L getting killed. , he seemed to a good guy, why should he that have happened to him. Also didn't light kill his own father.

L WAS a bit... Too willing to do whatever it took to win. But understandably so, especially after he lost the support of the police organizations.

Also, Light had erased his memories and ownership when he saw his father die. He didn't mock his father's death during the last episode, but what he said about him having died in vain when it could have all been avoided by Light is why Masuda was so angered by it, because he respected and admired Soichiro, and the fact that he had also admired Light given how close their ages were, and the fact that Masuda even early on said to Soichiro that he DID sort of understand how Kira must have felt and understood why he was killing the criminals he had been. But that was also before the police and task force agent had been killed by Misa at the TV station.

Another fun thing about the How To Read volume, there's a flowchart to figure out which character you are. The best outcome was Soichiro Yagami, and it said "congratulations, you're the only good person of the bunch."

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ThePrinceFish posted...

Banana_Cyanide posted...

How anyone can see Death Note as anything other than a tale of absolute power corrupting absolutely is beyond me.

Light is not and never was the good guy.

One could argue that Light was a good guy before the initial L broadcast. In fact, there is an intentionally placed moment in the broadcast where you can see the instant that Light goes from willing to sacrifice his morals because he believes it will improve the world to deciding that questioning his morals is justification to be killed on its own.

Though with how quickly this occurs and with such minor pressing from L, it's pretty apparent that this would have happened no matter what. Whether that means Light was "never good" or just that he was destined to fall quick is up to the viewer.

The moment Light killed that one officer and his ex was the moment that decided where the rest of the series was going to go and I was right every step of the way that he would use everyone around him, even his own family, to get what he wants. The singular moment was what put Light onto the path of corruption.
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Banana_Cyanide posted...

The moment Light killed that one officer and his ex was the moment that decided where the rest of the series was going to go and I was right every step of the way that he would use everyone around him, even his own family, to get what he wants. The singular moment was what put Light onto the path of corruption.

I'll link the scene here. It's when Lind L. Tailor said that what Kira's doing is evil that Light crossed past the point of being able to try and make things right.

https://youtu.be/XcdDL_wuyPM

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He didn't laugh when his father died. He was upset because his father didn't write Mello's name before dying. He did have his memories at the time, though.

Banana_Cyanide posted...

ThePrinceFish posted...

Banana_Cyanide posted...

How anyone can see Death Note as anything other than a tale of absolute power corrupting absolutely is beyond me.

Light is not and never was the good guy.

One could argue that Light was a good guy before the initial L broadcast. In fact, there is an intentionally placed moment in the broadcast where you can see the instant that Light goes from willing to sacrifice his morals because he believes it will improve the world to deciding that questioning his morals is justification to be killed on its own.

Though with how quickly this occurs and with such minor pressing from L, it's pretty apparent that this would have happened no matter what. Whether that means Light was "never good" or just that he was destined to fall quick is up to the viewer.

The moment Light killed that one officer and his ex was the moment that decided where the rest of the series was going to go and I was right every step of the way that he would use everyone around him, even his own family, to get what he wants. The singular moment was what put Light onto the path of corruption.

He did save his sister, when it would have been safer and easier to kill her.
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He was corrupted the first moment he decided to kill ANYONE, even a "criminal." It's not his right to be judge, jury, and executioner. Ethics aren't that black and white. People aren't strictly "good" or "bad." Killing people flat out isn't teaching any lessons and is just using fascist scare tactics.

gunplagirl posted...

Another fun thing about the How To Read volume, there's a flowchart to figure out which character you are. The best outcome was Soichiro Yagami, and it said "congratulations, you're the only good person of the bunch."

Any idea which volume I should be looking for? I want to try that out.
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Nope. Light was evil.

even if you agree with killing criminals, Light killed innocents who got in his way.
when he got discovered as Kira by the Task Force, he laughed like a maniac and tried to kill everyone there.
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VitalGetPrank posted...

gunplagirl posted...

Another fun thing about the How To Read volume, there's a flowchart to figure out which character you are. The best outcome was Soichiro Yagami, and it said "congratulations, you're the only good person of the bunch."

Any idea which volume I should be looking for? I want to try that out.

The volume 13 data book.
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bobbaaay posted...

He was corrupted the first moment he decided to kill ANYONE, even a "criminal." It's not his right to be judge, jury, and executioner. Ethics aren't that black and white. People aren't strictly "good" or "bad." Killing people flat out isn't teaching any lessons and is just using fascist scare tactics.

I mean, the first criminal he killed was a criminal who had taken teachers and children hostage at a daycare center, and he'd attacked people the day prior at a busy shopping district. Sure, you could argue the negotiations would have been successful but there's a chance special forces would have had to kill him anyways.

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gunplagirl posted...

bobbaaay posted...

He was corrupted the first moment he decided to kill ANYONE, even a "criminal." It's not his right to be judge, jury, and executioner. Ethics aren't that black and white. People aren't strictly "good" or "bad." Killing people flat out isn't teaching any lessons and is just using fascist scare tactics.

I mean, the first criminal he killed was a criminal who had taken teachers and children hostage at a daycare center, and he'd attacked people the day prior at a busy shopping district. Sure, you could argue the negotiations would have been successful but there's a chance special forces would have had to kill him anyways.

Plus at that point he thought the book was a joke or gag.
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Light was never good. In addition to killing someone purely because they called him evil and said they were going to arrest them, he was eventually going to start killing people for lesser crimes, and eventually for noncrimes. When Mikami starts killing lazy people, Light doesn't oppose doing it, he just says it's "too soon".
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jumi posted...

Plus at that point he thought the book was a joke or gag.

The second one though, that's arguably with intent. But then after that, 100% for sure he knew what he was doing.

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Near is right about what Light was.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuQlcp9IX68
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as ryuk points out, people who use the death note will never be able to go to the afterlife. also, it's said using the death note changes people irrevocably. mikami was just a bright student who was pushed around until he became a lawyer and got interested in kira.
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Wewillrocku posted...

as ryuk points out, people who use the death note will never be able to go to the afterlife.

IIRC towards the end, one of the "rules" implies that all humans go to the same place when they die (nothingness) and that Ryuk was just fucking with whoever picked up the Death Note to ensure they wouldn't worry about Heaven or Hell and act with maximum entertainment.
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yes he didn't want them to be worried they would be punished because they wouldn't or think they would be worshipped for their actions like any delusional person might.
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Jesus, Near is such a fucking whiny incel.
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The moment he decided to kill innocent people was the moment he crossed the line and never came back.

Even killing lazy people was insane and showed he was on the side of evil as the only people that should be targeted are criminals that have done horrible things.

Had it remained only actual criminals and evil people killed no matter what Light would have been fine but as soon as he started killing innocents he put himself in the this guy needs to die for his crimes territory.
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Exactly how much control did the Death Note give of people whose name's were written in it? Could Light have just put something like "So-and-so gave up his life of crime until he died of natural causes"? Or did he have to be specific with their time of death?

lol I like the Neflix rules:

"You can write with any pen: the color doesn't matter. If you use a sticker with a name printed on it, there will be no effect."

*Imagines sparkly pink glitter ink in the Death Note*
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YugiNoob posted...

Exactly how much control did the Death Note give of people whose name's were written in it? Could Light have just put something like "So-and-so gave up his life of crime until he died of natural causes"? Or did he have to be specific with their time of death?

Maximum time after writing is 21 days.
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It should be pointed out that what light was doing was working global crime droped like a rock at the height of his power then went back up after he died

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Lord_Shadow posted...

It should be pointed out that what light was doing was working global crime droped like a rock at the height of his power then went back up after he died

But at what cost? and how many of them were actually guilty? but who care if a few innocent people get killed right as long as all those criminals get whats coming to them?

You also have to ask why the crime rate dropped and just what kind of society Light was actually building.
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Wewillrocku posted...

near wrote light's name in the death note. even matsuda could see it

@Wewillrocku ls this a manga thing

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Banana_Cyanide posted...

Lord_Shadow posted...

It should be pointed out that what light was doing was working global crime droped like a rock at the height of his power then went back up after he died

But at what cost? and how many of them were actually guilty? but who care if a few innocent people get killed right as long as all those criminals get whats coming to them?

You also have to ask why the crime rate dropped and just what kind of society Light was actually building.

He also basically ended war.
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I know it's just a stupid anime but I do feel a little disturbed that anyone could watch Death Note and come to the conclusion that Light was a good guy.
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AirFresh posted...

@Wewillrocku ls this a manga thing

iirc, it's not confirmed in the manga, but it's something that Matsuda suspected

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