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Coastal_elite
11/15/19 1:39:49 PM
#105:


JebronLames posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
Alpha218 posted...
Disputes are voted on now. We literally cant reply to you when you dispute


a vote by one person, the original mod who committed the false moderation, doesnt count as a "vote"

so how do we know it really is voted on? and that the original mod doesn't get to vote? If it's voted on then why don't we even have a breakdown of the vote total? how many votes were to uphold, etc......


even if the original mod doesn't get to vote. He can just tell 1 or 2 of his friends: "hey bud, mind upholding this moderation I just made? It's that one dude we don't like. Yeah I got him for posting a video of cute baby goats running around. I am hoping to get him suspended by Thanksgiving LOL "
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Tmaster148
11/15/19 1:48:29 PM
#106:


Coastal_elite posted...
even if the original mod doesn't get to vote. He can just tell 1 or 2 of his friends: "hey bud, mind upholding this moderation I just made? It's that one dude we don't like. Yeah I got him for posting a video of cute baby goats running around. I am hoping to get him suspended by Thanksgiving LOL "


I'm sure this happens not something you made up to play the victim.

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Coastal_elite
11/15/19 2:30:49 PM
#107:


Tmaster148 posted...
Coastal_elite posted...
even if the original mod doesn't get to vote. He can just tell 1 or 2 of his friends: "hey bud, mind upholding this moderation I just made? It's that one dude we don't like. Yeah I got him for posting a video of cute baby goats running around. I am hoping to get him suspended by Thanksgiving LOL "


I'm sure this happens not something you made up to play the victim.


this will surely help your mod application buddy ;)
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Tmaster148
11/15/19 2:32:17 PM
#108:


I have no interest in being a mod. I'm just telling you that blaming everyone else for your posts getting modded ain't going to help you.

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Coastal_elite
11/15/19 2:51:24 PM
#109:


Tmaster148 posted...
I have no interest in being a mod. I'm just telling you that blaming everyone else for your posts getting modded ain't going to help you.


Yeah, neither did alpha, he just wanted to hang out in the Warned General series, until he applied to become a mod.
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Tmaster148
11/15/19 2:53:05 PM
#110:


Coastal_elite posted...
Yeah, neither did alpha, he just wanted to hang out in the Warned General series, until he applied to become a mod.


If he applied to be a mod them he clearly wanted to become one.

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EzeDoesIt
11/15/19 3:11:21 PM
#111:


And throned was never seen againZzz

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Coastal_elite
11/15/19 3:11:27 PM
#112:


Tmaster148 posted...
Coastal_elite posted...
Yeah, neither did alpha, he just wanted to hang out in the Warned General series, until he applied to become a mod.


If he applied to be a mod them he clearly wanted to become one.


So he didn't want to... until he wanted to. lol
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Tmaster148
11/15/19 3:18:03 PM
#113:


Coastal_elite posted...
So he didn't want to... until he wanted to. lol


I'm not sure how you would know if he never wanted to be mod, but he clearly wanted to become a mod since he sent an application. To me it seems like you just want to bitch about mods because you can't not break the ToS.

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PokemonExpert44
11/15/19 4:00:28 PM
#114:


The mods on this site have always been suspect.
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Rika_Furude
11/15/19 11:51:10 PM
#115:


JebronLames posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
Alpha218 posted...
Disputes are voted on now. We literally cant reply to you when you dispute


a vote by one person, the original mod who committed the false moderation, doesnt count as a "vote"

so how do we know it really is voted on? and that the original mod doesn't get to vote? If it's voted on then why don't we even have a breakdown of the vote total? how many votes were to uphold, etc......

They hide that info because then users would see upholds with 1 vote and that would be embarrassing for sballen
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FursonaNonGrata
11/15/19 11:56:34 PM
#116:


This topic is weird but all Im gonna say is the new dispute system doesnt mean shit when most of the mods can just discuss things on a Discord server anyway. Its just a more streamlined way for them to avoid accountability. Site activity is dwindling - do you really think theyre gonna start holding mods to stricter standards?

But also who really cares its a message board lmao.
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JebronLames
11/15/19 11:57:22 PM
#117:


Rika_Furude posted...
JebronLames posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
Alpha218 posted...
Disputes are voted on now. We literally cant reply to you when you dispute


a vote by one person, the original mod who committed the false moderation, doesnt count as a "vote"

so how do we know it really is voted on? and that the original mod doesn't get to vote? If it's voted on then why don't we even have a breakdown of the vote total? how many votes were to uphold, etc......

They hide that info because then users would see upholds with 1 vote and that would be embarrassing for sballen

yeah no shit, geez , show the vote totals. What reason is there not to?
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RdVEHfJqAvUPIbk
11/16/19 12:00:59 AM
#119:


Yeah but ASSTANK you're wrong and here's why: you're a mod so obviously you're gonna lie

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FabIemaster
11/16/19 12:07:45 AM
#120:


Got 'em

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EzeDoesIt
11/16/19 12:09:26 AM
#121:


AssultTank posted...
This post is relevant to this topic and explains why mods don't bother seriously responding to topics like this.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/573081-hellhole/78116565/930057975


Maybe if you guys ever seriously responded to actual, serious criticisms or concerns you wouldnt be constantly derided and automatically assumed to be dishonest and acting in bad faith yourselves.

Just a thought.

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FrisbeeDude
11/16/19 12:10:25 AM
#122:


AssultTank posted...
This post is relevant to this topic and explains why mods don't bother seriously responding to topics like this.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/573081-hellhole/78116565/930057975


lmao yall suspend anyone who calls any of the staff out individually. Certain questions and issues when brought up, regardless of language used, triggers auto suspensions and with the new system, yall never have to justify them

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Rika_Furude
11/16/19 12:10:26 AM
#123:


AssultTank posted...
This post is relevant to this topic and explains why mods don't bother seriously responding to topics like this.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/573081-hellhole/78116565/930057975

Show me one example of you ever providing any layer of transparancy. Show us evidence you arent a liar.
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Rika_Furude
11/16/19 12:13:06 AM
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TaiIs82
11/16/19 12:28:35 AM
#127:


Show me one example of you ever providing any layer of transparancy.

His example in that topic was me, which is.....wow. His idea of transparency with my board was to admit some guy had been talking to him on discord totally outside the system, trying to get my community board locked for at least 3 months, and through that whole time Assult never contacted me for my side on anything. It's only after the fact that he talks about this, when nothing will make a difference, that I get ambushed with a bunch of false statements including one where he called it an "invasion" for me to visit a board he lurked even though the owner invited me a bunch of times.
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EzeDoesIt
11/16/19 12:30:20 AM
#128:


TaiIs82 posted...
Show me one example of you ever providing any layer of transparancy.

His example in that topic was me, which is.....wow. His idea of transparency with my board was to admit some guy had been talking to him on discord totally outside the system, trying to get my community board locked for at least 3 months, and through that whole time Assult never contacted me for my side on anything. It's only after the fact that he talks about this, when nothing will make a difference, that I get ambushed with a bunch of false statements including one where he called it an "invasion" for me to visit a board he lurked even though the owner invited me a bunch of times.


So for him, transparency is actually obfuscation. Perhaps all these guys need is a good dictionary.

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ssj3vegeta
11/16/19 12:36:16 AM
#129:


AssultTank posted...
This post is relevant to this topic and explains why mods don't bother seriously responding to topics like this.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/573081-hellhole/78116565/930057975

How come most of you ignore da "why was my topic locked for literally no good reason" topics doe?
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TheDreadedWave
11/16/19 12:39:14 AM
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Bio1590
11/16/19 12:46:55 AM
#131:


At the end of the day there's still no actual transparency to the system which is largely what people have issues with.

I post on a few other forums and while the extent to which they openly moderate varies, all of them at least:
a) tell you when a report you made is "reviewed" (this just means a Mod or Admin looked at it, and either acted on it or no-actioned it)
b) tell you which member of the Mod or Admin team handled the report
c) tell you which member of the Mod or Admin team deleted or edited one of your posts, and why (which is just the flip side of b)

The "variation" here is that for some of the forums, they'll also tell you what punishment they gave the user (ex. "7 day posting ban").

You can't tell me this website, which has had incidents such as a Moderator publicly admitting that they absolutely hate a regular user, wouldn't benefit from even the slightest bit of transparency.

Like shit, what's the reasoning for why we can't see the tallies on the votes for when a moderation is disputed now? Are they hiding the numbers because they could look bad?

Plus hell remember when we used to be able to view moderated messages and indicate whether we agreed or disagreed with it? That single thing provided infinitely more transparency than anything that exists now.
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PatrickMahomes
11/16/19 1:12:39 AM
#132:


ssj3vegeta posted...
AssultTank posted...
This post is relevant to this topic and explains why mods don't bother seriously responding to topics like this.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/573081-hellhole/78116565/930057975

How come most of you ignore da "why was my topic locked for literally no good reason" topics doe?

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Coastal_elite
11/16/19 9:38:21 AM
#133:


FursonaNonGrata posted...
This topic is weird but all Im gonna say is the new dispute system doesnt mean shit when most of the mods can just discuss things on a Discord server anyway. Its just a more streamlined way for them to avoid accountability. Site activity is dwindling - do you really think theyre gonna start holding mods to stricter standards?

But also who really cares its a message board lmao.


@FursonaNonGrata I have noticed a steady decline in moderator activity quality, starting 4-ish months ago.

In the past they'd pretend to be unbiased and/or act like professionals. Now you see them openly and unequivocally antagonize users they don't like, they make fun of people raising concern in hellhole, gang on users (e.g. you speak up in hellhole and 4+ mods go like "TROLOLOLOLLO U MAD BRO?!") and worst of all, they don't follow the TOS when moderating posts, you may get a moderation for no reason, that gets no justification when appealing. "I like pepsi more than coke" can be a reasoning that a mod used to moderate someone.

What I wonder if is they stopped trying to look professional because they know they can get away with it, or because the site is dying, what do you think?
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Eevee-Trainer
11/16/19 9:52:15 AM
#134:


Bio1590 posted...
Plus hell remember when we used to be able to view moderated messages and indicate whether we agreed or disagreed with it? That single thing provided infinitely more transparency than anything that exists now.

Meta mod? Allen did toss around bringing that back and revealing what amounts to the mod handbook or something. But that was a few years ago.

Which is weird. I don't see why we haven't so much as heard anything more since then.
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Coastal_elite
11/16/19 10:15:32 AM
#135:


Eevee-Trainer posted...
Bio1590 posted...
Plus hell remember when we used to be able to view moderated messages and indicate whether we agreed or disagreed with it? That single thing provided infinitely more transparency than anything that exists now.

Meta mod? Allen did toss around bringing that back and revealing what amounts to the mod handbook or something. But that was a few years ago.

Which is weird. I don't see why we haven't so much as heard anything more since then.


mods didn't like it probably
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FursonaNonGrata
11/16/19 10:19:13 AM
#136:


Coastal_elite posted...
FursonaNonGrata posted...
This topic is weird but all Im gonna say is the new dispute system doesnt mean shit when most of the mods can just discuss things on a Discord server anyway. Its just a more streamlined way for them to avoid accountability. Site activity is dwindling - do you really think theyre gonna start holding mods to stricter standards?

But also who really cares its a message board lmao.


@FursonaNonGrata I have noticed a steady decline in moderator activity quality, starting 4-ish months ago.

In the past they'd pretend to be unbiased and/or act like professionals. Now you see them openly and unequivocally antagonize users they don't like, they make fun of people raising concern in hellhole, gang on users (e.g. you speak up in hellhole and 4+ mods go like "TROLOLOLOLLO U MAD BRO?!") and worst of all, they don't follow the TOS when moderating posts, you may get a moderation for no reason, that gets no justification when appealing. "I like pepsi more than coke" can be a reasoning that a mod used to moderate someone.

What I wonder if is they stopped trying to look professional because they know they can get away with it, or because the site is dying, what do you think?


When one of the most active groups of users is made up of people who regularly contact mods through off-site channels to get other users modded/warned/suspended so they can post about it, I think a strong argument can be made for it being both of those things.
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Error1355
11/16/19 3:57:18 PM
#137:


Coastal_elite posted...
mods didn't like it probably
#GameFAQsDeepState

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Coastal_elite
11/16/19 4:09:04 PM
#138:


FursonaNonGrata posted...
Coastal_elite posted...
FursonaNonGrata posted...
This topic is weird but all Im gonna say is the new dispute system doesnt mean shit when most of the mods can just discuss things on a Discord server anyway. Its just a more streamlined way for them to avoid accountability. Site activity is dwindling - do you really think theyre gonna start holding mods to stricter standards?

But also who really cares its a message board lmao.


@FursonaNonGrata I have noticed a steady decline in moderator activity quality, starting 4-ish months ago.

In the past they'd pretend to be unbiased and/or act like professionals. Now you see them openly and unequivocally antagonize users they don't like, they make fun of people raising concern in hellhole, gang on users (e.g. you speak up in hellhole and 4+ mods go like "TROLOLOLOLLO U MAD BRO?!") and worst of all, they don't follow the TOS when moderating posts, you may get a moderation for no reason, that gets no justification when appealing. "I like pepsi more than coke" can be a reasoning that a mod used to moderate someone.

What I wonder if is they stopped trying to look professional because they know they can get away with it, or because the site is dying, what do you think?


When one of the most active groups of users is made up of people who regularly contact mods through off-site channels to get other users modded/warned/suspended so they can post about it, I think a strong argument can be made for it being both of those things.


very, very true
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Coastal_elite
11/16/19 4:10:57 PM
#139:


Coastal_elite posted...
Now you see them openly and unequivocally antagonize users they don't like, they make fun of people raising concerns in hellhole, gang on users (e.g. you speak up in hellhole and 4+ mods go like "TROLOLOLOLLO U MAD BRO?!") and


... welp:

Error1355 posted...
#GameFAQsDeepState


lmao

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@FursonaNonGrata it looks like I can predict the future :O
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UnholyMudcrab
11/16/19 4:13:48 PM
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RdVEHfJqAvUPIbk
11/16/19 4:14:10 PM
#141:


Question for the HONEST mods (like any are honest lol this site) let's say I didn't break a rule but I was modded unfairly. How do I go about fixing this?

Ya know what? Don't answer cause it'll just be another troll post from one of you.
No, I won't dispute it or appeal it. There's no reason to. Because you'll just uphold it.

and you know what? Even if one of the mods did find out the moderator who modded me unfiarly and made them reverse it I still wouldn't be happy. Why? Because MISTAKES CANNOT BE ALLOWED

In fact forget this. I'm going to make a NEW topic about this completely pointless metldown about something that's completely pointless.

I swear almost all of that was not sarcasm but this is a lie
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PatrickMahomes
11/16/19 4:14:25 PM
#142:


Coastal_elite posted...
it looks like I can predict the future :O
holy shit

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Simon_Petrikov
11/16/19 4:14:44 PM
#143:


Yikes
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Valjackal
11/16/19 6:28:59 PM
#144:


Jinkies

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11/16/19 6:55:24 PM
#145:


Valjackal posted...
Jinkies

So what you're saying is watch the live action Scooby Doo and post about how hot Velma is?
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Error1355
11/16/19 8:04:20 PM
#146:


Coastal_elite posted...
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lmao

@PatrickMahomes
@FursonaNonGrata it looks like I can predict the future :O
Holy shit get a God damn fucking life already.

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TaiIs82
11/16/19 9:23:57 PM
#147:


"I like pepsi more than coke" can be a reasoning that a mod used to moderate someone.

I've been moderated for saying I'm against racism, for posting in the same topic that a mod did ("harassment" even though I was defending him), for calling a Gamefaqs mod a Gamefaqs mod, for saying I love America (they claimed my secret implied meaning was that other people don't), and 2 times because I posted in somebody's topic where a completely different user who made the topic said something in his topic title that the mod didn't like, so I got moderated for it - one of them for "LOL" within a title which the mod viewed as offensive. Theoretically anyone ITT could be moderated if the mod doesn't like the title of this topic.

I got an admin note about my board saying it could be closed down because someone posted/reposted about the death of a fictional character, an admin PM over what turned out to be an nkl.

Another user was modded for "generalizing" ISIS in a negative way, and that moderation was defended by the community manager at the time. So this has been going on for a while

So if a mod likes Coke over Pepsi and feels very strongly about this for whatever reason, that's definitely at risk of being taken down. The moderations here are often based on how a mod feels that day.
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RdVEHfJqAvUPIbk
11/16/19 9:24:58 PM
#148:


tails/lms/etc whatever garbage gimmick account you're using let me ask you something friendo

nobody fucking cares
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Error1355
11/16/19 9:26:59 PM
#149:


TaiIs82 posted...
"I like pepsi more than coke" can be a reasoning that a mod used to moderate someone.

I've been moderated for saying I'm against racism, for posting in the same topic that a mod did ("harassment" even though I was defending him), for calling a Gamefaqs mod a Gamefaqs mod, for saying I love America (they claimed my secret implied meaning was that other people don't), and 2 times because I posted in somebody's topic where a completely different user who made the topic said something in his topic title that the mod didn't like, so I got moderated for it - one of them for "LOL" within a title which the mod viewed as offensive. Theoretically anyone ITT could be moderated if the mod doesn't like the title of this topic.

I got an admin note about my board saying it could be closed down because someone posted/reposted about the death of a fictional character, an admin PM over what turned out to be an nkl.

Another user was modded for "generalizing" ISIS in a negative way, and that moderation was defended by the community manager at the time. So this has been going on for a while

So if a mod likes Coke over Pepsi and feels very strongly about this for whatever reason, that's definitely at risk of being taken down. The moderations here are often based on how a mod feels that day.
Holy shit get a God damn fucking life already.

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SciFi
11/16/19 9:28:56 PM
#150:


you live in your own world @Taiis82

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TaiIs82
11/16/19 9:29:08 PM
#151:


Must prefer Coke, I guess.
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RdVEHfJqAvUPIbk
11/16/19 9:30:22 PM
#152:


nah tails is one of the longer users on here with a nice gimmick though it depends on what gimmick account he posts on
the lookmoneystatus and company are kinda boring but I love his tails one when he literally will spend upwards of 10 hours a day (his words) to search the boards for "proof" the mods are corrupt

82 implies birth year so at least 36 years
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TaiIs82
11/16/19 9:35:21 PM
#153:


I have no idea which account I'm being tied to right now in the latest attempt to send inaccurate charges my way, but this has been happening for 10 years to no avail and maybe this will finally be the one that does it. Never give up hope right?
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SciFi
11/16/19 9:37:51 PM
#154:


You forgot to use your antiquated quote technique

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