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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50214341

A Canadian library has been criticised for refusing to cancel an event hosting a feminist with controversial views on transgender rights.
Hundreds of protesters gathered outside a branch of the Toronto Public Library as writer Meghan Murphy gave a talk inside.
The library defended its decision to allow her talk on gender identity and "society, the law and women".
Campaigners have called Ms Murphy anti-transgender, which she denies.
Toronto police quoted by Global News said officers had been present inside and outside the event to "keep the peace."

The left devouring itself yet again

Hairistotle posted...

Nobody fucking respond

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There's a big civil war going on in the LGBTQ community. All I can say is that there won't be any winners in this.
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Hop103 posted...

There's a big civil war going on in the LGBTQ community. All I can say is that there won't be any winners in this.

Yeah it's really bizarre to see. It seems like sides are forming between hardcore feminists and the transgender community. This isn't the first time this kind of conflict has happened.

Hop103 posted...

There's a big civil war going on in the LGBTQ community. All I can say is that there won't be any winners in this.

That's what happens when you promote conflicting and incoherent notions of gender and sexuality.

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OnWingsOfMisery posted...

The left devouring itself yet again

It's extremely telling of how conservatives think that you would suggest "the left" is a homogenous entity that is not allowed to be critical of others roughly on the same political spectrum.
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There's a significant niche of lesbian groups that are transphobic, this is nothing new. It's ignorant to treat the left as some cohesive grey goo just because the right is all about conformity.
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Gonna guess she believes there is no such thing as a female brain and despises the idea of gender roles such as putting on a dress means you are of a certain gender?

Also tc, wings should be for good not misery.

On_The_Edge posted...

Hop103 posted...

There's a big civil war going on in the LGBTQ community. All I can say is that there won't be any winners in this.

That's what happens when you promote conflicting and incoherent notions of gender and sexuality.

Shhhh... We don't think like that over here
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WingsOfGood posted...

Also tc, wings should be for good not misery.

Never had carolina reaper hot wings, huh?

pinky0926 posted...

It's extremely telling of how conservatives think that you would suggest "the left" is a homogenous entity that is not allowed to be critical of others roughly on the same political spectrum.

I don't often see SJW civil wars except in the leftist camp, so...

OnWingsOfMisery posted...

pinky0926 posted...

It's extremely telling of how conservatives think that you would suggest "the left" is a homogenous entity that is not allowed to be critical of others roughly on the same political spectrum.

I don't often see SJW civil wars except in the leftist camp, so...

Yes, because it's not a homogeneous entity. Can you read?
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Ms Murphy says she wants to ensure the safety of women in places like female prisons, women's refuges and changing rooms.

In Canada, she has spoken against a bill that amended Canada's rights act to prohibit discrimination on the basis of gender expression and identity over concerns it could undermine women's rights by eroding their "safe spaces".

What a time we live in when an opinion like this is "controversial."
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OnWingsOfMisery posted...

pinky0926 posted...

It's extremely telling of how conservatives think that you would suggest "the left" is a homogenous entity that is not allowed to be critical of others roughly on the same political spectrum.

I don't often see SJW civil wars except in the leftist camp, so...

I don't think you understood my comment. Criticism is good, and just because someone is "on your team" doesn't mean you should stop thinking critically about what they do and say.

Let me put it another way. It would be nice if the conservative party would "eat itself" occasionally, instead of stumbling around making pathetic attempts to explain away every unexplainable act or comment that Donald Trump makes and losing credibility in the process.
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People with difference of opinion on the left - "the left is devouring itself again!"

Everyone has the same opinion on the left - "liberal hive mind"

The story changes, but the plot's always the same.
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pinky0926 posted...

I don't think you understood my comment. Criticism is good, and just because someone is "on your team" doesn't mean you should stop thinking critically about what they do and say.

Let me put it another way. It would be nice if the conservative party would "eat itself" occasionally, instead of stumbling around making pathetic attempts to explain away every unexplainable act or comment that Donald Trump makes and losing credibility in the process.

Oh yeah but there is a massive difference between disagreement on something...and your own side protesting your speech and trying to shut down the events that give you income. Please stop being dishonest about this being a simple disagreement. This is a clear attempt to silence someone and to prevent them from making money off their brand.

I only see this type of feasting on one side.

IShall_Run_Amok posted...

People with difference of opinion on the left - "the left is devouring itself again!"

Everyone has the same opinion on the left - "liberal hive mind"

The story changes, but the plot's always the same.

See post #18.

This situation is not at all what sane and reasoned disagreement looks like. Trying to silence someone's speech is not disagreement. This is character assassination and income assassination.

IShall_Run_Amok posted...

People with difference of opinion on the left - "the left is devouring itself again!"

Everyone has the same opinion on the left - "liberal hive mind"

The story changes, but the plot's always the same.

Going against the hivemind is what causes the devouring.

Questionmarktarius posted...

IShall_Run_Amok posted...

People with difference of opinion on the left - "the left is devouring itself again!"

Everyone has the same opinion on the left - "liberal hive mind"

The story changes, but the plot's always the same.

Going against the hivemind is what causes the devouring.

Hiveminds can't go against themselves. Stupid post.
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OnWingsOfMisery posted...

Oh yeah but there is a massive difference between disagreement on something...and your own side protesting your speech and trying to shut down the events that give you income. Please stop being dishonest about this being a simple disagreement. This is a clear attempt to silence someone and to prevent them from making money off their brand.

I only see this type of feasting on one side.

You're still going on about "your own side", which tells me you still don't get it.

This woman is a controversial figure in modern feminism. Feminism is not a hive mind concept. There have always been disagreements about what is feminism and what is best for feminism. This is another example of people who care about a thing having very different ideas about how to carry out that thing.

This is not, "the left eating itself". This is people who probably happen to sit on the left side of the poltiical spectrum having very different ideas about a particular issue.

If we (by that I mean, "liberals") all happen to agree about this issue you'd say "liberal hive mind" anyway, let's be real.
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Guide posted...

Hiveminds can't go against themselves. Stupid post.

Star Trek lied to me?

Hairistotle posted...

You people had one fucking job. Just let the alt right shit posters stroke each other for once

Sorry :/
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OnWingsOfMisery posted...

pinky0926 posted...

I don't think you understood my comment. Criticism is good, and just because someone is "on your team" doesn't mean you should stop thinking critically about what they do and say.

Let me put it another way. It would be nice if the conservative party would "eat itself" occasionally, instead of stumbling around making pathetic attempts to explain away every unexplainable act or comment that Donald Trump makes and losing credibility in the process.

Oh yeah but there is a massive difference between disagreement on something...and your own side protesting your speech and trying to shut down the events that give you income. Please stop being dishonest about this being a simple disagreement. This is a clear attempt to silence someone and to prevent them from making money off their brand.

I only see this type of feasting on one side.

Yeah, conservatives really don't do this. There is a huge chasm on the right between the Bible thumpers and the generally agnostic pro-business types, but you'd never see them turning on each other like in this article. The groups just typically leave each other alone as just team up on election day.

Devouring those on your "side" is a decidedly left-leaning thing done mainly to virtue signal.
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Questionmarktarius posted...

Guide posted...

Hiveminds can't go against themselves. Stupid post.

Star Trek lied to me?

The Federation is a socialist utopia.
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Why are people against this woman when shes only trying to make sure females are protected and stuff?
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The Admiral posted...

Yeah, conservatives really don't do this. There is a huge chasm on the right between the Bible thumpers and the generally agnostic pro-business types, but you'd never see them turning on each other like in this article. The groups just typically leave each other alone as just team up on election day.

Devouring those on your "side" is a decidedly left-leaning thing done mainly to virtue signal.

Although you didn't intend it that way, you just wonderfully summarised everything I am critical about the right over to begin with.

Imagine fundamentally disagreeing with someone's entire principles right down to your most principally held beliefs, but not standing up to them ever - in fact teaming up with them and helping them along the way - because you want to win elections. Simply astonishing to me.
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pinky0926 posted...

OnWingsOfMisery posted...

The left devouring itself yet again

It's extremely telling of how conservatives think that you would suggest "the left" is a homogenous entity that is not allowed to be critical of others roughly on the same political spectrum.

"There are only two things I can't stand in this world: People who are intolerant of other people's cultures, and the Dutch. "
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IShall_Run_Amok posted...

People with difference of opinion on the left - "the left is devouring itself again!"

Everyone has the same opinion on the left - "liberal hive mind"

The story changes, but the plot's always the same.

The thing is, when feminists had this rhetoric before transgender movement took off, it was widely accepted or at least no one dared speak against it.

If a 2nd wave feminist got up and said things like found here:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminist_views_on_transgender_topics
That gender roles and the gender binary is bad in their opinion and it should be abolished

Dare any CIS liberal male speak against them?

So now a new competing idea hits the field against one that had previously been at the very least allowed.

So there is alot more nuance than just people with different opinions.

pinky0926 posted...

OnWingsOfMisery posted...

The left devouring itself yet again

It's extremely telling of how conservatives think that you would suggest "the left" is a homogenous entity that is not allowed to be critical of others roughly on the same political spectrum.

If by "spectrum" you mean "agree with everything we say or you're a white supremacist alt right bigot," you pretty much just proved his point.

Questionmarktarius posted...

IShall_Run_Amok posted...

People with difference of opinion on the left - "the left is devouring itself again!"

Everyone has the same opinion on the left - "liberal hive mind"

The story changes, but the plot's always the same.

Going against the hivemind is what causes the devouring.

New story, same plot.
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Annihilated posted...

If by "spectrum" you mean "agree with everything we say or you're a white supremacist alt right bigot," you pretty much just proved his point.

Depends on what point you disagree on doesn't it

Like what are you disagreeing on, that everyone of all races should be treated fairly, for example
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Disagreeing and undermining are not the same thing.
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pinky0926 posted...

OnWingsOfMisery posted...

The left devouring itself yet again

It's extremely telling of how conservatives think that you would suggest "the left" is a homogenous entity that is not allowed to be critical of others roughly on the same political spectrum.

Guide posted...

There's a significant niche of lesbian groups that are transphobic, this is nothing new. It's ignorant to treat the left as some cohesive grey goo just because the right is all about conformity.

You guys are at least somewhat full of shit. There are people that don't want her to be allowed to speak. Lol, she's getting the Ben shapiro/Ann Coulter treatment and you guys be like "it's just criticism, jeez."
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They're right. Why hire a transphobic feminist when you can hire a non transphobic feminist.

Why should she get a speaking event?

pinky0926 posted...

Annihilated posted...

If by "spectrum" you mean "agree with everything we say or you're a white supremacist alt right bigot," you pretty much just proved his point.

Depends on what point you disagree on doesn't it

Like what are you disagreeing on, that everyone of all races should be treated fairly, for example

I've never heard a leftist even suggest such a thing.

It's getting real tiresome trying to correct people that can't seem to understand what they read.
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ThanksUglyGod posted...

They're right. Why hire a transphobic feminist when you can hire a non transphobic feminist.

So now liberals believe in the concept of "most qualified". Shocker.
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pinky0926 posted...

This is not, "the left eating itself". This is people who probably happen to sit on the left side of the poltiical spectrum having very different ideas about a particular issue.

My problem with everything you're saying isn't that I believe the left always has to agree on everything. It's that this is blatantly not just a simple disagreement. It is clearly people on her side trying to assassinate her character and destroy her freedom of speech.

WarDog2016 posted...

ThanksUglyGod posted...

They're right. Why hire a transphobic feminist when you can hire a non transphobic feminist.

So now liberals believe in the concept of "most qualified". Shocker.

When have we not? Are you talking about affirmative action?

Annihilated posted...

pinky0926 posted...

Annihilated posted...

If by "spectrum" you mean "agree with everything we say or you're a white supremacist alt right bigot," you pretty much just proved his point.

Depends on what point you disagree on doesn't it

Like what are you disagreeing on, that everyone of all races should be treated fairly, for example

I've never heard a leftist even suggest such a thing.

That's because you don't listen.
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ThanksUglyGod posted...

WarDog2016 posted...

ThanksUglyGod posted...

They're right. Why hire a transphobic feminist when you can hire a non transphobic feminist.

So now liberals believe in the concept of "most qualified". Shocker.

When have we not? Are you talking about affirmative action?

Please. There are absolutely liberals that want the idea of "most qualified" abolished and hirings only done based on strict adherence to a job description/job qualifications because they think "most qualified" is an excuse that whitey uses to avoid hiring minorities. Well except for when the idea benefits you, I guess.
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@pinky0926

See #41

pinky0926 posted...

OnWingsOfMisery posted...

The left devouring itself yet again

It's extremely telling of how conservatives think that you would suggest "the left" is a homogenous entity that is not allowed to be critical of others roughly on the same political spectrum.

Here's the thing, as I see it, about the Left that makes members within it more prone to "devouring" each other than the Right.

While the Right is generally about maintaining the status quo, the Left is more about seeking change/progress. However, because the nature of the Left is to pushing further and further left over time, each generation will be a bit more progressive than the generation preceding it.

So, you can see things like left leaning professors at left leaning universities being attacked by their even further left students for being racist, sexist, etc. Even if they've generally been opposed to racism and sexism, etc. Because they aren't quite left leaning enough.

I think a reason for that is due to the subversive nature of civil rights movements. For example, because the origins of the feminist movement involved working to subvert the patriarchy, as feminism becomes more mainstream and the big obstacles are mostly overcome, they have to exaggerate increasingly minor incidents/micro-aggressions. Or they expand the definition of terms like racism, sexism, and white supremacy. Or they embrace increasingly subversive movements; from race and gender equality, to gay rights, to trans rights, and so on (some pedos and their sympathizers are trying to gain traction for the rights of "minor-atteacted persons", but that hasn't caught on to any significant degree yet).

Sorry if this was a bit messy, trying to type it up and get three kids ready for trick or treating.