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LinkPizza posted...

ThyCorndog posted...

YokoGeri posted...

ThyCorndog posted...

YokoGeri posted...

There are many, many factors that go into deciding, it's not as simple as "HURR DURR HOOMANZ BE SPESHUL! HOOMAN EVERTIEM!"

I agree. maybe that's some people's positions but that's not my take on it. my take is that in general, the average person is more important than a dog. there are outlier cases where the person isn't worth saving cause they deserve to die anyway. but that's my criteria - does that person deserve to die? if not, then they should be saved over a dog

This is were the nuance gets complicated.

Say you have a dog. You're a middle aged woman, with no friends or close relatives. Your dog is your life, as sad as it is. You're your dog's life too, you two have a close bond.

It's not surprising to imagine that such a woman would choose her life companion (that totally average dog who happens to love her and live with her for say, 14 to 17 years) rather than the mail guy who is a dick, gives her the side eye and always damages her mail (so, a pretty average mail man and person).

Is she wrong? I don't know, but the nuance is there.

that's probably why she doesn't have any friends

She doesnt have friends because her mail mans a dick?

I was making a joke that she probably doesn't have friends because she values humans and other animals similarly. but it was only half a joke, because the fact is that people view other humans as more important than other animals because of social reasons. friendship comes from trust, and you need to be able to trust other people. if you're the type of person that truly has trouble between saving a human or a dog, then you're probably lacking something socially
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ThyCorndog posted...

I was making a joke that she probably doesn't have friends because she values humans and other animals similarly. but it was only half a joke, because the fact is that people view other humans as more important than other animals because of social reasons. friendship comes from trust, and you need to be able to trust other people. if you're the type of person that truly has trouble between saving a human or a dog, then you're probably lacking something socially

Once again, that's reductionist bollocks.

I would choose my pet over a stranger, because they have more value to me. I would choose human friends and family over the pets, because they have more value to me. That's no me lacking anything but selflessness. We're all a bit selfish, I'm just being honest about it.

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ThyCorndog posted...

LinkPizza posted...

ThyCorndog posted...

YokoGeri posted...

ThyCorndog posted...

YokoGeri posted...

There are many, many factors that go into deciding, it's not as simple as "HURR DURR HOOMANZ BE SPESHUL! HOOMAN EVERTIEM!"

I agree. maybe that's some people's positions but that's not my take on it. my take is that in general, the average person is more important than a dog. there are outlier cases where the person isn't worth saving cause they deserve to die anyway. but that's my criteria - does that person deserve to die? if not, then they should be saved over a dog

This is were the nuance gets complicated.

Say you have a dog. You're a middle aged woman, with no friends or close relatives. Your dog is your life, as sad as it is. You're your dog's life too, you two have a close bond.

It's not surprising to imagine that such a woman would choose her life companion (that totally average dog who happens to love her and live with her for say, 14 to 17 years) rather than the mail guy who is a dick, gives her the side eye and always damages her mail (so, a pretty average mail man and person).

Is she wrong? I don't know, but the nuance is there.

that's probably why she doesn't have any friends

She doesnt have friends because her mail mans a dick?

I was making a joke that she probably doesn't have friends because she values humans and other animals similarly. but it was only half a joke, because the fact is that people view other humans as more important than other animals because of social reasons. friendship comes from trust, and you need to be able to trust other people. if you're the type of person that truly has trouble between saving a human or a dog, then you're probably lacking something socially

Or care about people you care about. For example, between my family or friends and my dog, I would choose them. But not a random stranger. Im not socially inept or anything. I value the life of someone I know over someone I dont, though.

Also, for the lady, it might not be the reason she doesnt have friends or family. I mean, some people lose all family sometimes. I dont even think its that rare. As for friends, its possible they moved away or died. The reason she probably values her dog so much is because there are no people around. Maybe if people were around, she wouldnt have the dog. Or would have value animals so much. When the only thing in your life is a pet, its not that hard to understand someone valuing them...
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IloveJesus posted...

ThyCorndog posted...

I was making a joke that she probably doesn't have friends because she values humans and other animals similarly. but it was only half a joke, because the fact is that people view other humans as more important than other animals because of social reasons. friendship comes from trust, and you need to be able to trust other people. if you're the type of person that truly has trouble between saving a human or a dog, then you're probably lacking something socially

Once again, that's reductionist bollocks.

I would choose my pet over a stranger, because they have more value to me. I would choose human friends and family over the pets, because they have more value to me. That's no me lacking anything but selflessness. We're all a bit selfish, I'm just being honest about it.

Ok. You have your stance and I have mine. Not sure I have anything else to say
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thanosibe posted...

When there a signs in numerous places of businesses (even big corps like Walmart) that say only service animals no pets; yes the present society of humans has an unhinged attachment to their pets that is not only disturbing but not well for the progression of society in general. As with all things theres a balance.

My town has recently made a lot of places pet friendly. Like, pretty much any restaurant with an outdoor patio allows pets these days...

rexcrk posted...

I never really got pets to be honest. Like, my parents have a cat that I absolutely adore (I mean, I lived with her for a good ten-eleven years before I moved out) and my friends have great cats and a dog too so Im not an animal hater or anything.

I just dont see the appeal. Theyre expensive as hell, if you want to go on a trip you have to make sure its taken care of, theyre messy etc.

Ive just never had that compulsion to want to be a pet owner.

Good luck to me trying to find a girl who isnt obsessed with dOgGos!

They can be. But its the same with kids. Its just that kids grow up. But that being said, pets dont live nearly as long, so...
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LinkPizza posted...

My town has recently made a lot of places pet friendly. Like, pretty much any restaurant with an outdoor patio allows pets these days...

Which honestly just proves my point even more. No way Im eating somewhere that allows animals near the food I and other people are going to eat. Its unsanitary and a health hazard.

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thanosibe posted...

Which honestly just proves my point even more. No way Im eating somewhere that allows animals near the food I and other people are going to eat. Its unsanitary and a health hazard.

If you hate animals so much I'm not sure I'd want you eating near me anyway.

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thanosibe posted...

LinkPizza posted...

My town has recently made a lot of places pet friendly. Like, pretty much any restaurant with an outdoor patio allows pets these days...

Which honestly just proves my point even more. No way Im eating somewhere that allows animals near the food I and other people are going to eat. Its unsanitary and a health hazard.

Well, they dont go inside. But thats also your decision to not eat there. Most people around here have pets, and like the pet friendly places. Though, I dont understand how that proves your point... Or what you point was...
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the people I come across who love animals over people are typically people who aren't even interesting to talk to in the first place, tbh

pets aren't good at telling you when you're trippin, so you just think they agree with your bullshit ass thoughts and habits.

the first time your cat tells the truth and says, "yo, you been playing Call of Duty for two days, ain't showered in three but keep on putting on deodorant and body spray ANYWAY. stop cuddling me until you bathe!" y'all gonna be hurt and hostile.
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RickyTheBAWSE posted...

the people I come across who love animals over people are typically people who aren't even interesting to talk to in the first place, tbh

pets aren't good at telling you when you're trippin, so you just think they agree with your bullshit ass thoughts and habits.

the first time your cat tells the truth and says, "yo, you been playing Call of Duty for two days, ain't showered in three but keep on putting on deodorant and body spray ANYWAY. stop cuddling me until you bathe!" y'all gonna be hurt and hostile.

"No you shouldn't go get a motel room 3 miles from tara strong's house"
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lmao, the cat trying to talk people out of bad ideas and shit

"dude, stop! it took her SO LONG to unblock you the LAST time, remember?"
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ledbowman posted...

Dogs being lesser life forms is not an opinion. One day you'll grow out of your detatchment and moral relativity phase

Again, any credentials to back that up?

Wait I just saw the post where you lol'd at the guy that's actually studied ethics and morality in college

Might as well be a flat earther arguing with a physicist at this point
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MarqueeSeries posted...

ledbowman posted...

Dogs being lesser life forms is not an opinion. One day you'll grow out of your detatchment and moral relativity phase

Again, any credentials to back that up?

Just try to socialize with actual humans. It'll make you feel better b
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RickyTheBAWSE posted...

the people I come across who love animals over people are typically people who aren't even interesting to talk to in the first place, tbh

pets aren't good at telling you when you're trippin, so you just think they agree with your bullshit ass thoughts and habits.

the first time your cat tells the truth and says, "yo, you been playing Call of Duty for two days, ain't showered in three but keep on putting on deodorant and body spray ANYWAY. stop cuddling me until you bathe!" y'all gonna be hurt and hostile.

You're acting like people can't be fond of animals and have social skills and meaningful relationships with other people, which is bollocks.

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PIITB415 posted...

MarqueeSeries posted...

ledbowman posted...

Dogs being lesser life forms is not an opinion. One day you'll grow out of your detatchment and moral relativity phase

Again, any credentials to back that up?

Just try to socialize with actual humans. It'll make you feel better b

Who says they dont?
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IloveJesus posted...

RickyTheBAWSE posted...

the people I come across who love animals over people are typically people who aren't even interesting to talk to in the first place, tbh

pets aren't good at telling you when you're trippin, so you just think they agree with your bullshit ass thoughts and habits.

the first time your cat tells the truth and says, "yo, you been playing Call of Duty for two days, ain't showered in three but keep on putting on deodorant and body spray ANYWAY. stop cuddling me until you bathe!" y'all gonna be hurt and hostile.

You're acting like people can't be fond of animals and have social skills and meaningful relationships with other people, which is bollocks.

nah. just the ones I've come across.
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IloveJesus posted...

If you hate animals so much I'm not sure I'd want you eating near me anyway.

I dont hate animals. But I dont want animal hair in my food any more than human hair. And the later has only happened one time. One time too many.

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thanosibe posted...

IloveJesus posted...

If you hate animals so much I'm not sure I'd want you eating near me anyway.

I dont hate animals. But I dont want animal hair in my food any more than human hair. And the later has only happened one time. One time too many.

Ive had human hair more times than pet hair. But the pet wouldnt be inside the establishment. They would be out on the patio area...
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ThyCorndog posted...

YokoGeri posted...

ThyCorndog posted...

YokoGeri posted...

There are many, many factors that go into deciding, it's not as simple as "HURR DURR HOOMANZ BE SPESHUL! HOOMAN EVERTIEM!"

I agree. maybe that's some people's positions but that's not my take on it. my take is that in general, the average person is more important than a dog. there are outlier cases where the person isn't worth saving cause they deserve to die anyway. but that's my criteria - does that person deserve to die? if not, then they should be saved over a dog

This is were the nuance gets complicated.

Say you have a dog. You're a middle aged woman, with no friends or close relatives. Your dog is your life, as sad as it is. You're your dog's life too, you two have a close bond.

It's not surprising to imagine that such a woman would choose her life companion (that totally average dog who happens to love her and live with her for say, 14 to 17 years) rather than the mail guy who is a dick, gives her the side eye and always damages her mail (so, a pretty average mail man and person).

Is she wrong? I don't know, but the nuance is there.

that's probably why she doesn't have any friends

yeah, this is how you know you have no argument.

IloveJesus posted...

ThyCorndog posted...

I was making a joke that she probably doesn't have friends because she values humans and other animals similarly. but it was only half a joke, because the fact is that people view other humans as more important than other animals because of social reasons. friendship comes from trust, and you need to be able to trust other people. if you're the type of person that truly has trouble between saving a human or a dog, then you're probably lacking something socially

Once again, that's reductionist bollocks.

I would choose my pet over a stranger, because they have more value to me. I would choose human friends and family over the pets, because they have more value to me. That's no me lacking anything but selflessness. We're all a bit selfish, I'm just being honest about it.

He realized I walked him into the point I was trying to make (nuance, personal connections to people/animals) and he can't argue the point on the facts so he is going for the "OLLOLOOLOLOLO IF U LIEK DOG UR INCEL BAHAHAHHAA bro" angle.

I saw it as an admittance of defeat and moved on ^_^

^ lol
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LinkPizza posted...

Ive had human hair more times than pet hair. But the pet wouldnt be inside the establishment. They would be out on the patio area...

Still close to people eating on the patio that dont have pets. Tbh its selfish and inconsiderate. But I guess if restaurants allow it I just wont go there.

YokoGeri posted...

He realized I walked him into the point I was trying to make (nuance, personal connections to people/animals) and he can't argue the point on the facts so he is going for the "OLLOLOOLOLOLO IF U LIEK DOG UR INCEL BAHAHAHHAA bro" angle.

I saw it as an admittance of defeat and moved on ^_^

You might to take a break from this thread. Holy shit.


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no let him keep talking, it's funny
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thanosibe posted...

LinkPizza posted...

Ive had human hair more times than pet hair. But the pet wouldnt be inside the establishment. They would be out on the patio area...

Still close to people eating on the patio that dont have pets. Tbh its selfish and inconsiderate. But I guess if restaurants allow it I just wont go there.

And? People are close to you, too. Lots of people. Some of those people probably shed worse then dogs. My best friend is one of those people. Some dogs are breed to shed less, or not at all. And they are people who love with pets who eat food without animal hair in it, even though they live with them. And even if the dogs arent around, other animal can be. Bird are worse as they just shit wherever. Id rather be around a dog than a bird. Also, you can request an inside seat if youre worried about a dog being in the vicinity. Or sit further away from it...
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So if someones loved one who happens to be a dog has value that is less than any human

Does that mean people have innate value too?

Like if you had to choose between saving your grandma with stage 4 lung cancer who has loved you your whole life versus a random baby. Would you be a sociopath if you chose your grandma?
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StealthRock posted...

So if someones loved one who happens to be a dog has value that is less than any human

Does that mean people have innate value too?

Like if you had to choose between saving your grandma with stage 4 lung cancer who has loved you your whole life versus a random baby. Would you be a sociopath if you chose your grandma?

No one will answer you. This goes against their argument, so your post will go ignored like mine.
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No, very intelligent guy, you obviously don't choose your grandma in that scenario
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I would do pretty much anything for my dog. She helps keep my anxiety in check even though she doesn't do really much of anything but sleep and bark at things all day. It's the fact that animals will unconditionally love you and just be your friend without reason, is why people love animals so much.

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Caelthus posted...

without reason

Lmao
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Caelthus posted...

I would do pretty much anything for my dog. She helps keep my anxiety in check even though she doesn't do really much of anything but sleep and bark at things all day. It's the fact that animals will unconditionally love you and just be your friend without reason, is why people love animals so much.

this

ledbowman posted...

Lmao

Feeding her and housing her away from the elements is a fairly good reason why any domesticated animals interact with humans.

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ledbowman posted...

No, very intelligent guy, you obviously don't choose your grandma in that scenario

Why not??

My Grandma is near and dear to me. And jusy because she has a terminal disease doesnt negate the fact thay she brings value to my life.

And random baby is someone i do not know, wont remember i saved them, and to be honest have no guarantee will grow up to be a great person.

So why is the baby the absolute correct choice?? If you claim you are intelligent, you can see that it isnt black and white.
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StealthRock posted...

ledbowman posted...

No, very intelligent guy, you obviously don't choose your grandma in that scenario

Why not??

My Grandma is near and dear to me. And jusy because she has a terminal disease doesnt negate the fact thay she brings value to my life.

And random baby is someone i do not know, wont remember i saved them, and to be honest have no guarantee will grow up to be a great person.

So why is the baby the absolute correct choice?? If you claim you are intelligent, you can see that it isnt black and white.

For one, your grandmother probably lived a full great life with people who she loved and loved her such as yourself. I'm sure your grandmother would choose the baby over herself.
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PIITB415 posted...

StealthRock posted...

ledbowman posted...

No, very intelligent guy, you obviously don't choose your grandma in that scenario

Why not??

My Grandma is near and dear to me. And jusy because she has a terminal disease doesnt negate the fact thay she brings value to my life.

And random baby is someone i do not know, wont remember i saved them, and to be honest have no guarantee will grow up to be a great person.

So why is the baby the absolute correct choice?? If you claim you are intelligent, you can see that it isnt black and white.

For one, your grandmother probably lived a full great life with people who she loved and loved her such as yourself. I'm sure your grandmother would choose the baby over herself.

Maybe. Maybe not. But Id rather not let my family die when I could have saved them. I couldnt live with that. And I feel like if that was someones only family left, they might choose them, as well... Save the only family you have left, or a random baby that will most likely have no effect on your life other than you hating it because you gave up your only family for it...
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LinkPizza posted...

PIITB415 posted...

StealthRock posted...

ledbowman posted...

No, very intelligent guy, you obviously don't choose your grandma in that scenario

Why not??

My Grandma is near and dear to me. And jusy because she has a terminal disease doesnt negate the fact thay she brings value to my life.

And random baby is someone i do not know, wont remember i saved them, and to be honest have no guarantee will grow up to be a great person.

So why is the baby the absolute correct choice?? If you claim you are intelligent, you can see that it isnt black and white.

For one, your grandmother probably lived a full great life with people who she loved and loved her such as yourself. I'm sure your grandmother would choose the baby over herself.

Maybe. Maybe not. But Id rather not let my family die when I could have saved them. I couldnt live with that. And I feel like if that was someones only family left, they might choose them, as well... Save the only family you have left, or a random baby that will most likely have no effect on your life other than you hating it because you gave up your only family for it...

Shut the fuck up
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Humans have applied personhood to their pets for a long time. Someone valuing their wellbeing over a stranger's shouldn't be hard to understand. You don't have to think the same way, because to whom and how people give personhood is just as much individual as it is cultural, but it shouldn't blow your mind either.

Conflict posted...

Great counter-argument. Really changed his mind and really made your own stance look strong

There's been a lot of that in this thread.

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Conflict posted...

ledbowman posted...

LinkPizza posted...

PIITB415 posted...

StealthRock posted...

ledbowman posted...

No, very intelligent guy, you obviously don't choose your grandma in that scenario

Why not??

My Grandma is near and dear to me. And jusy because she has a terminal disease doesnt negate the fact thay she brings value to my life.

And random baby is someone i do not know, wont remember i saved them, and to be honest have no guarantee will grow up to be a great person.

So why is the baby the absolute correct choice?? If you claim you are intelligent, you can see that it isnt black and white.

For one, your grandmother probably lived a full great life with people who she loved and loved her such as yourself. I'm sure your grandmother would choose the baby over herself.

Maybe. Maybe not. But Id rather not let my family die when I could have saved them. I couldnt live with that. And I feel like if that was someones only family left, they might choose them, as well... Save the only family you have left, or a random baby that will most likely have no effect on your life other than you hating it because you gave up your only family for it...

Shut the fuck up

Great counter-argument. Really changed his mind and really made your own stance look strong

Thanks
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PIITB415 posted...

StealthRock posted...

ledbowman posted...

No, very intelligent guy, you obviously don't choose your grandma in that scenario

Why not??

My Grandma is near and dear to me. And jusy because she has a terminal disease doesnt negate the fact thay she brings value to my life.

And random baby is someone i do not know, wont remember i saved them, and to be honest have no guarantee will grow up to be a great person.

So why is the baby the absolute correct choice?? If you claim you are intelligent, you can see that it isnt black and white.

For one, your grandmother probably lived a full great life with people who she loved and loved her such as yourself. I'm sure your grandmother would choose the baby over herself.

Perhaps she would. But her choice in the matter is entirely her own. The baby isnt even aware of what is going on. Not to mention, you have no clue what kind of life my grandma lived. And you have no clue what kind of life the baby will lead. Its entirely possible that the baby also has a terminal birth defect that would kill them soon.

So again, why is the baby the absolute correct choice always?
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This is a great topic, but also

If you own a small pure bred dog, you're a horrible person and should really stop supporting puppy mills

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ledbowman posted...

LinkPizza posted...

PIITB415 posted...

StealthRock posted...

ledbowman posted...

No, very intelligent guy, you obviously don't choose your grandma in that scenario

Why not??

My Grandma is near and dear to me. And jusy because she has a terminal disease doesnt negate the fact thay she brings value to my life.

And random baby is someone i do not know, wont remember i saved them, and to be honest have no guarantee will grow up to be a great person.

So why is the baby the absolute correct choice?? If you claim you are intelligent, you can see that it isnt black and white.

For one, your grandmother probably lived a full great life with people who she loved and loved her such as yourself. I'm sure your grandmother would choose the baby over herself.

Maybe. Maybe not. But Id rather not let my family die when I could have saved them. I couldnt live with that. And I feel like if that was someones only family left, they might choose them, as well... Save the only family you have left, or a random baby that will most likely have no effect on your life other than you hating it because you gave up your only family for it...

Shut the fuck up

So, no argument? Just anger that I dont agree...
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Dragonblade01 posted...

Humans have applied personhood to their pets for a long time. Someone valuing their wellbeing over a stranger's shouldn't be hard to understand. You don't have to think the same way, because to whom and how people give personhood is just as much individual as it is cultural, but it shouldn't blow your mind either.

This pretty much says it best.

It's nothing new to value pets as equal members of family. In fact, it seems like many people forget that cats were literally worshipped in Egypt for centuries, and the penalties for any crime against them were extremely severe.

And yet people still want to claim that value isn't subjective.
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Dragonblade01 posted...

Humans have applied personhood to their pets for a long time. Someone valuing their wellbeing over a stranger's shouldn't be hard to understand. You don't have to think the same way, because to whom and how people give personhood is just as much individual as it is cultural, but it shouldn't blow your mind either.

Yeah. For the cultural things, there are places that worship cattle. Egypt thoughts cats were like Gods, and I think the Aztecs had like Jaguars...
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MarqueeSeries posted...

Dragonblade01 posted...

Humans have applied personhood to their pets for a long time. Someone valuing their wellbeing over a stranger's shouldn't be hard to understand. You don't have to think the same way, because to whom and how people give personhood is just as much individual as it is cultural, but it shouldn't blow your mind either.

This pretty much says it best.

It's nothing new to value pets as equal members of family. In fact, it seems like many people forget that cats were literally worshipped in Egypt for centuries, and the penalties for any crime against them were extremely severe.

And yet people still want to claim that value isn't subjective.

This

Thank you. All the so called intellectuals in this thread cant even bring themselves to acknowledge this fact, let alone discuss how their are no absolutes in this scenario. They would rather hurl insults while peering down from their heroic self righteous highhorses
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StealthRock posted...

MarqueeSeries posted...

Dragonblade01 posted...

Humans have applied personhood to their pets for a long time. Someone valuing their wellbeing over a stranger's shouldn't be hard to understand. You don't have to think the same way, because to whom and how people give personhood is just as much individual as it is cultural, but it shouldn't blow your mind either.

This pretty much says it best.

It's nothing new to value pets as equal members of family. In fact, it seems like many people forget that cats were literally worshipped in Egypt for centuries, and the penalties for any crime against them were extremely severe.

And yet people still want to claim that value isn't subjective.

This

Thank you. All the so called intellectuals in this thread cant even bring themselves to acknowledge this fact, let alone discuss how their are no absolutes in this scenario. They would rather hurl insults while peering down from their heroic self righteous highhorses

Just how cows are worshipped in India right? We still eat them.
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PIITB415 posted...

StealthRock posted...

MarqueeSeries posted...

Dragonblade01 posted...

Humans have applied personhood to their pets for a long time. Someone valuing their wellbeing over a stranger's shouldn't be hard to understand. You don't have to think the same way, because to whom and how people give personhood is just as much individual as it is cultural, but it shouldn't blow your mind either.

This pretty much says it best.

It's nothing new to value pets as equal members of family. In fact, it seems like many people forget that cats were literally worshipped in Egypt for centuries, and the penalties for any crime against them were extremely severe.

And yet people still want to claim that value isn't subjective.

This

Thank you. All the so called intellectuals in this thread cant even bring themselves to acknowledge this fact, let alone discuss how their are no absolutes in this scenario. They would rather hurl insults while peering down from their heroic self righteous highhorses

Just how cows are worshipped in India right? We still eat them.

And? We dont worship cows. Just like we dont worship cats like Egypt did. Doesnt mean we cant love our pets like family. The point is that people have valued certain animals above humans at a time. Some cultures probably still do. I believe the point they are trying to make is that its subjective...
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