Board 8 > Fire Emblem Heroes Discussion Topic Part 25: Revival Banners: Electric Boogaloo!

(+) Yeah! (+)

Not looking forward to Aversa + Iago in AR.

There's not a whole lot of gen 1 units I'm super interested in.

Healer prfs probably aren't happening (Aka Elise, Sakura, and maybe Lissa). Other than that, Cecelia, Ninian, and Valter would be the ones I'd be looking at.

(Lyon is gen 2. It's been so long the line has blurred)

But hey, I'm happy all the Fangs have a refine now. I'd say the wait was worth it. Now I just have to... try to save orbs >_>

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I also forgot to mention the healers, and while I would love for them to get a refine, I highly doubt IS would be that kind. I just want to use Sakura for something other than Pain

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The second voting is live and it's... The most graceful dancing duet. Odd.

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Intelligent Systems wants to know which characters they should use for a Dancing Duo Hero.
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Well yes, but like... you don't often get a duet through the same game with that. Like the closest for same game is probably Olivia/Inigo.

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Going to sit this one out, not feeling it

In other news, I finally gave my -Atk Alm his refine now that I can get another copy for free. More dragonslayers is never a bad thing, especially one who will be able to ORKO most dragons

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I mean, it's Berkut/Rinea, but they already did them...

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On the free banner, I got three red orbs and two green. Got another +Atk Deidre, which went as well as it could have. It irritates me to no end they couldn't give us four orbs, one of each color

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I had red, green, and blue on that banner. I went with the 1/3 odds of DC, but got a -Atk Julia. She will fix the attack bane on my other Julia so it's acceptable

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Pulled Lilith on my 10th pull, spent 40ish orbs. -Atk but still glad I got her.

Free banner I got Azura. Someone that took me over a year to level form 20 to 40 because I just couldn't be fucked to finish leveling her(I don't use crystals for some reason). So basically I got nothing.

And yeah I totally voted Berkut/Rinea.


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of course i got Corrin. the character i already have at +10 and has no useful fodder.

at least i got a free Lysithea from a summon ticket, even if she is -atk. much rather have her than any of the new units.

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No greens for either of you?

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i got a green but i already have those characters and don't care to merge them, whereas i'm missing Tsubasa and Ephraim.

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Blue isn't as bad as red, but still enough fluff in there that it wasn't risk trying to get an extra Micaiah or a Tsubasa for me. Green couldn't go wrong for me even if I already have all of them

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I got a green and naturally pulled from it. I have all three but needed a better stat spread on each of them. Got a +Def Hector. Forget the - but ultimately it matters less since it's my second. I'll double check it and if I approve later I'll merge. If I don't, well, DC fodder is great.

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My adventures through the new banner got me +Atk B!Ephraim (dupe), +Def/-Res Midori, Flying Nino (dupe), and free Lilith, along with two Shanna's. I'm satisfied with the haul overall and happy with the pitybreakers, but not too happy about Midori's IV's because I wanted to make her a mixed tank. Maybe I can still find a way to salvage it. The Shanna's were nice bonuses, and they came right after each other. For the first time in this game, I have a surplus of easy Desperation fodder

Still at 3.5% on the banner, but I'll probably end up letting it go at this point as while it would be great to get another Midori, I don't know how many orbs that'll take

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A red on a four unit banner? I'd count yourself lucky already.

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One interesting thing about how the summoning pool looks like now is that Red, Blue and Colourless 5* focus units are roughly equal in difficulty to get. Sniping for Lilith or sniping for Midori both cost roughly the same number of Orbs on average. Green is still the cheapest, though.
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You guys probably figured it out, but Ephraim = Eliwood

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Yankees posted...

Lyn looks nice, but the stat boost isn't going to make her very relevant. Cordelia really needed the better artwork though. I suppose that is how they'll fix older units like Eliwood who desperately need it.

Guess what?

https://fehpass.fire-emblem-heroes.com/en-US/00001001000025/

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Dark Young Link posted...

Guess what?

https://fehpass.fire-emblem-heroes.com/en-US/00001001000025/

"It feels a little frivolous to fuss over appearances, but...I do look good, don't I?"

They know.

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Still looks worse than B!Eliwood, who's free if you picked him

Florina is around the corner. It hurts my eyes every time I look at her, and it's sad

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And now Eliwood outclasses Brave Roy. So far, every other character has been an old 3* or 4* with bad art. Florina, Rebecca, Athena, and Est are probably in the pipeline.

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Picked up my free Altina and Brave Micaiah. I got a +Atk Tsubasa from the free FE Leads pull. I guess that's a good start.
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Welcome back to the dark side!

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Calendar is up!

https://imgur.com/gXJ0UR0

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Double Special Heroes event in a couple of days. If Winter Nino is on there, I may consider pulling if the other blue isn't crap(Spoilers: If she's on there, the other blue will be crap).

Temptest Trail+ on the 21st and a new BHB a day after that.

The Special Hero summoning event happens on 4/20 Insert obvious joke here.

New Hall of Forms this month too, I wonder if we'll see what Heroes we'll get before the current Forma pack expires. Though we're getting another one so unless you feel compelled to spend $60 on two heroes in the next one, no need to worry about that.

Odd Wave and Solo Skills banner this month. Glimmer banner(for some reason) in May.

A VG.

Two Three Heroes quest. Do they have any more trash gen 1s to give out?

And of course, the wallet baiter, Golden Week starts in May.

I'm looking forward to a few of these upcoming events. Any spenders though may want to keep an eye out for the end of the month.

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Yankees posted...

And now Eliwood outclasses Brave Roy. So far, every other character has been an old 3* or 4* with bad art. Florina, Rebecca, Athena, and Est are probably in the pipeline.

can't mention Est without Lachesis. and honestly there's a lot that look worse than Rebecca to me, though i know i'm in the minority with that opinion. i've seen some complaints about Tharja's art so she might be coming soon as well, being an actually good unit like Eliwood and Cordelia.

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If they make one for Lachesis, hopefully they make her look how she sounds.

Talk about vocal dissonance .

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I forgot about Lachesis, but she absolutely needs it. I can see Tharja getting one too. She's popular, and should get some people to subscribe.

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Tharja's art is fine. I think Florina and Rebecca are the absolute worst out there, along with Lloyd. Elincia also could use a makeover, but I'm not going to pay for it

Why do we need a Glimmer banner O___o

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A glimmer banner might have Lewyn or Claude. That would be a great opportunity for special spiral fodder.

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I didn't plan on using Claude when I got him since he's -Atk, but even with that bane, he can dish out some serious damage

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I got a Brave Ike off the free pull. I need 5 more to make him +10. Maybe one day

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That's also my hope, as well. He's great in AR

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hey i just got this and been looking around some guides and had some questions.

been seeing terms like IVs & Nature and i'm familiar with them in Pokemon but as for this game, does this mean that if two people have the same unit at the same rarity & level, their stats could be different? and there's nothing you can do about it? like in pokemon, you would just have a bunch of the same mon, then check all their IVs and then choose which to train. is it like that here? i think i also saw it said somewhere that the max stats for a unit are set but rng affects the level-up gains?

if i started training a unit and then later pull the same unit with better IVs is that basically wasted exp or is there a way to transfer the progress on to that better IV unit? i saw about merging but that is just a stat increase to the same rarity unit?

i saw that you keep around dupes for traits or whatever. at how many dupes is it considered "safe" to start sending home?

is there any point in training a 3 star unit? i know you can increase the rarity but if the unit has a 3 & 4 star version, it would be better to just wait until possibly pulling a 4 star? disregarding the chance you could never pull them again.

if i send a hero home, is there some sort of indicator to show that i once had them?

IVs is misleading since you can't max them all out like in Pokemon. Nature is more accurate since 1 stat is boosted and 1 stat is lowered. It is also possible to have a neutral nature where no stats are boosted or lowered. Also unlike natures, they aren't a percentage. The stat gets raised/lowered by 3 or 4 depending on the unit and the stat. These are also called boons and banes for more Fire Emblem apropriate termanology.

Don't worry about exp at all. Training a unit to Lv40 is pretty quick in this game. When you merge a unit you keep any skills it inherited. When in doubt, preview the unit. On the merge screen you can long tap on the resulting unit picture to see exactly what you get afterwards.

You should consider making a manual before you consder sending a unit home. You don't need to be in a rush to do this. The starting barracks size is pretty good. By the time it gets full, you'll be more experienced and know what units are worthless and what to keep. Don't expand your barracks until you are absolutely sure you have to. Unless you are buying lots of Orbs, this won't happen for at least a year.

Some 3* units are pretty good when promoted to 5*. I still use my Nino who was a launch day 3*-4* unit. These days the game gives you a number of good 5* units to start with so you won't be using units below 5* very often unless they are the bonus unit for a mode. Like you might bring a 4* Anna as an Arena bonus unit if you have nothing better.

When you summon a unit there's a exclamation mark if it's the first time you've ever gotten them.
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kateee posted...

is there any point in training a 3 star unit? i know you can increase the rarity but if the unit has a 3 & 4 star version, it would be better to just wait until possibly pulling a 4 star? disregarding the chance you could never pull them again.

to answer this specific question, the cost of upgrading from 3* to 4* is pretty insignificant. if you end up with a 3* with the +stat you want before the equivalent 4* then go for it. the -stat doesn't really matter for 3-4* because it goes away once you merge.

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ok so let me get this straight. people referring to IVs & natures are talking about the same game mechanic (3-4 increase/decrease in two select stats). the -stat can be "undone" through merging with a duplicate. so why are IV calculators out there if it shows you which stats are affected ingame? was that information just not always available in-game?

so to get the best possible version of that unit all you need is the correct +stat because all other variables (rarity, skills) are controllable through grinding? if i merge a 4 star with another 4 star to get rid of its bad stat, and then increase rarity it loses the stat bonuses but the bane stays away?

skills are basically like movepools and all of them are obtainable eventually? i can safely build towards having the theoretical best version of that unit as long as i get lucky with the nature and do the rest through grinding/inheriting/merging?

so i guess the question becomes, is it worth it training a unit to 5 star if they don't have the right +stat?

Team Rocket Elite posted...

When you summon a unit there's a exclamation mark if it's the first time you've ever gotten them.

but does your hero catalogue show previously owned units or only the units on hand? does it work like an in-game Pokedex or do i need to have a living dex.

Yes, IVs and Natures are the same. When the game first launched there was no in-game feature to see your Boon/Bane. As a result, IV calculators were made.

Promoting a unit to a higher rarity level removes its merges. So don't do that. You need to promote both units to 5* before merging them.

There are actually a bunch of layers to a perfect unit:
1. They need to be 5*
2. They need the right boon (bane doesn't matter)
3. They need to be merged to +10 (so that's 11 units total. Base and 10 merges)
4. You need to give them a bunch of Dragonflowers (5 levels for most units, 10 levels for older Infantry units)
5. You need to give them one of the 8 different Blessings
6. Deck them out with inherited skills
7. Ally Support (Find another unit to pair them with)
8. Summoner Support (only 1 unit at a time. 3 if you pay money for FEH Pass)
9. Might as well give them an accessory while you're at it

Yeah, Skills are like a movepool. Even the weapon slot is technically called a Skill. Not every unit can learn a particular skill so make sure you know what the restrictions are.

It's definitely worth using 5* units that aren't perfect. This is a gacha game. Unless you are throwing thousands of dollars at the game, you have to work with imperfect units.

I never really look at the Hero Catalogue. I'm pretty sure it shows all the units you've ever collected even if you don't have them anymore.
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but the boon is the only factor (apart from getting the units themselves) out of those that is solely RNG/luck-based right? even if i get a 4*, i can eventually get that same 4* to 5* and even if i don't have all the skills i want at that moment, i can still eventually give that same unit all available necessary skills through chain inheriting and merging even if it takes a very long time. it's not a Pokemon egg move situation where if that particular Pokemon didn't learn a move through breeding, it can never learn it.

that would greatly simplify it.

Team Rocket Elite posted...

They need to be merged to +10

oh..
oh

and since you only get the stat boosts for merging if they're same rarity, this means i need 11 5* of the same unit?

so steps i need to take:

1. pull desired unit with correct nature
2. get to 5*
3. now with x1 unit at 5* i can treat this as the base unit going forward and all other copies can be used as source for merging. i don't have to worry about pulling the same unit with different stats that would have served as a better base since i already have one with the desired nature.
4. use other misc. non-x units to inherit skills as necessary and use 10 other 5* x units to merge on to original x1 unit
5. and do all that other stuff

yikes
damn

Even a bad boon can technically be fixed by merging into a unit with a better boon. Say you have a 5* unit with +HP. You can merge it into a 5* of the same unit with +Atk and now you have a +Atk version of that character. Almost everything carries over. So if the original unit was a 5* +5 unit (so base plus 5 more merges) and you merge it into a unit with a better boon you get a 5* +6 unit at the end. Skills also carry over. Exp and SP do not but they don't matter much since they are easy to farm. Dragonflower levels only keep the higher between the two units so you can't just get Dragonflower level 1 on both units then merge to get level 2.

The steps you have are right regrading building a 5* +10 unit.
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oh cool thanks

Me: checking the last voting for the Voting Jubilee.

>The Hero You Wish Were Your Sibling

... Oh no I'm thinking down this rabbit hole.

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kateee posted...

so i guess the question becomes, is it worth it training a unit to 5 star if they don't have the right +stat?

Unless they changed the game dramatically since I stopped playing, all maps can be completed with 4 star units if you're good enough. The only reason to max out a character is for pvp, which gives you... tools to be better at pvp so its a bit of an oroboreas. Making +10 units is fun for sure but I ignored IVs the entire time I played and never had any difficulties with the maps. They're just a fun way to appreciate characters you like

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Can't think of title for next topic. >_>

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We're 6 days short or you could have mentioned the upcoming anniversary.
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Zola for CYL5

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That's both a good title for the next topic and also a good closing note for this topic

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