Poll of the Day > Jace the mind sculpter is one of the most powerful magic cards

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he allows you to draw 3 cards for just 4 mana (2 island mana and 2 any mana)

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In YGO that would be BS OP, but I don't know how much hand advantage is in MtG
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Uh.... what? Pretty sure he's not even close, plus you misstated his activated effect.

https://img.scryfall.com/cards/large/front/c/0/c057dc0d-4017-4e60-9c5e-45fc569a8d31.jpg

You draw 3, put 2 back. Compare that to Ancestral Recall which lets you draw 3 cards for 1 mana >_> Jace's ability doesn't seem bad, but it's not broken.

Plus I'm like 90% sure that the 2UU is just the cost of summoning and that you don't pay to activate the ability (you can choice one ability per turn), although I'm not super familiar with the Planeswalker mechanics because those got added years after I stopped playing.
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Aaantlion posted...

Uh.... what? Pretty sure he's not even close, plus you misstated his activated effect.

https://img.scryfall.com/cards/large/front/c/0/c057dc0d-4017-4e60-9c5e-45fc569a8d31.jpg

You draw 3, put 2 back. Compare that to Ancestral Recall which lets you draw 3 cards for 1 mana >_> Jace's ability doesn't seem bad, but it's not broken.

Plus I'm like 90% sure that the 2UU is just the cost of summoning and that you don't pay to activate the ability (you can choice one ability per turn), although I'm not super familiar with the Planeswalker mechanics because those got added years after I stopped playing.

You draw 3, put 2 back. Compare that to Ancestral Recall which lets you draw 3 cards for 1 mana >_> Jace's ability doesn't seem bad, but it's not broken.

You draw 3, put 2 back.

You draw 3,

quit being a pedant

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Compare that to Ancestral Recall which lets you draw 3 cards for 1 mana >_> Jace's ability doesn't seem bad, but it's not broken.

me: k2 is one of the tallest mountains in the world
you: ACKSHUALLY MT EVEREST IS TALLER


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Oh, so it's not Pot of Greed on crack... it's Graceful Charity.
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OniRonin posted...

Aaantlion posted...

Uh.... what? Pretty sure he's not even close, plus you misstated his activated effect.

https://img.scryfall.com/cards/large/front/c/0/c057dc0d-4017-4e60-9c5e-45fc569a8d31.jpg

You draw 3, put 2 back. Compare that to Ancestral Recall which lets you draw 3 cards for 1 mana >_> Jace's ability doesn't seem bad, but it's not broken.

Plus I'm like 90% sure that the 2UU is just the cost of summoning and that you don't pay to activate the ability (you can choice one ability per turn), although I'm not super familiar with the Planeswalker mechanics because those got added years after I stopped playing.

You draw 3, put 2 back. Compare that to Ancestral Recall which lets you draw 3 cards for 1 mana >_> Jace's ability doesn't seem bad, but it's not broken.

You draw 3, put 2 back.

You draw 3,

quit being a pedant

If you drew 3 then discarded 3, would you view that the same as just drawing and keeping 3? Even if you didn't know shit about CCGs, it's pretty clear to understand how many extra cards you actually have in your hand. Saying "Draw 3" without mentioning the other half implies that you're just getting 3 cards. More importantly, claiming that you're paying 2UU to draw 3 is just flat-out wrong, because you're paying 2UU to summon Jace and then his effect can be used multiple times at no mana cost afterward.
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OniRonin posted...

Compare that to Ancestral Recall which lets you draw 3 cards for 1 mana >_> Jace's ability doesn't seem bad, but it's not broken.

me: k2 is one of the tallest mountains in the world
you: ACKSHUALLY MT EVEREST IS TALLER

Except for the fact that you're basically claiming a tall mountain in your town is one of the tallest mountains in the world.

Lokarin posted...

Oh, so it's not Pot of Greed on crack... it's Graceful Charity.

No, because Graceful Charity is generally better because you don't have to keep cycling through 2 cards you might not need and because it can be used to trigger other card effects that activate when discarded. And, you know, Graceful Charity has no attached direct cost.
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Isn't he out of rotation?
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Jace is still a contender for strongest planswalker in the game, but it's a far more contested title than it once was. Wrenn and six along with oko have had comparable impact recently and are cheaper to cast, though there's still nothing that compares to jace once he's actually in play on an empty board.
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Arguably, it kind of depends on how you play and what format you prefer. Jace wouldn't actually be super-useful to me in most of the games I play.
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I want a fun card game that I can play with my friends that doesn't require a second job

Guess I'm out of luck.

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Yellow posted...

I want a fun card game that I can play with my friends that doesn't require a second job

Guess I'm out of luck.

If you play with your friends, and all of you invest at the same level, it can be fine. You can all just buy a pre-con deck and never buy another card again and play against each other for the next few decades without a problem.

Magic only really becomes a nightmare if you want to play in official tournaments (where you have to constantly buy new cards), or if your entire friend group are playing with 15-year old decks you made years ago but one of your friends is going online, looking up deck builds, buying new cards, and making decks you literally can't beat because he cares more about winning than just having casual fun.

I bought a shit-ton of cards in high school, then mostly pared them down to all of two decks that I played with regularly for the next 10 years without buying new cards. And I didn't feel at any point like I was missing out or needed to buy new cards to somehow make the game more worthwhile.
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Yellow posted...

I want a fun card game that I can play with my friends that doesn't require a second job

Guess I'm out of luck.

Four square

I've always been a strong proponent of proxies, letting people print out a card image and stick it in front of some other sleeved card so their mountain can be played as a black lotus. That way everyone in the playgroup is free to experiment and build new decks without having to worry about cost.
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Is there a format where you're only allowed one of any single card (excluding basic lands of course?)
That seems like it would be fun.
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Yes, there's both a singleton format with no extra rules and things like commander or brawl that are singleton while also changing the game in other ways. There may only be a handful of formats with tournaments and official support, but over the years tons of variations have been explored and with your own friends you can play however you want.
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everyone knows birds of paradise is the most op card
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Zeus posted...

Except for the fact that you're basically claiming a tall mountain in your town is one of the tallest mountains in the world.

Clearly you know nothing about magic. Blocked.

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I mean, even in the most simplest term, there's always Ancestral Recall.
Which you draw three cards for one blue mana.

Which is a quarter of the cost of Jace the Mind Sculptor.
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shadowsword87 posted...

I mean, even in the most simplest term, there's always Ancestral Recall.
Which you draw three cards for one blue mana.

Which is a quarter of the cost of Jace the Mind Sculptor.

ok buddy. i guess ancetral recall would cease being 'one of the best' cards if there was a spell to draw three cards for one any mana

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No, no really, it's right here:
https://img.scryfall.com/cards/large/front/4/6/46b0a5c2-ac85-448e-9e87-12fc74fd4147.jpg?1559591672
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shadowsword87 posted...

No, no really, it's right here:
https://img.scryfall.com/cards/large/front/4/6/46b0a5c2-ac85-448e-9e87-12fc74fd4147.jpg?1559591672

that takes one island mana, not one any mana. can you even read the cards dude

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Zareth posted...

Is there a format where you're only allowed one of any single card (excluding basic lands of course?) That seems like it would be fun.

It's called Highlander format (because "There can be only one").

One of the current major playstyles (which WotC actually sells preconstructed decks for) is known as Commander, which evolved out of a format called "Elder Dragon Highlander". You basically play with a deck that can only have one of every card other than basic land, and where cards can only be the color of your chosen commander. It's a bit more complicated than that (but in interesting ways), but it shows there's a lot of support for "one card only" variants. Especially since there's a modified version of Commander called Brawl that WotC is also pushing at the moment.
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OniRonin posted...

ok buddy. i guess ancetral recall would cease being 'one of the best' cards if there was a spell to draw three cards for one any mana

You know, you're pretty much wrong in every argument you've been in in this topic so far, and are blatantly being kind of a prick about it as well.
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ParanoidObsessive posted...

You know, you're pretty much wrong in every argument you've been in in this topic so far, and are blatantly being kind of a prick about it as well.

Name one thing am I wrong about?


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OniRonin posted...

Name one thing am I wrong about?

Zeus accurately corrected you on how the card actually works, and you dismissed him out of hand with a pissy attitude, in spite of the fact that there IS a mechanical difference between the two (ie, he was right). Then you attempted to defend your position via shitty inaccurate analogies. That's just for starters.
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ParanoidObsessive posted...

Zeus accurately corrected you on how the card actually works, and you dismissed him out of hand with a pissy attitude, in spite of the fact that there IS a mechanical difference between the two (ie, he was right). Then you attempted to defend your position via shitty inaccurate analogies. That's just for starters.

By this logic, I would be wrong to say night's whisper draws 2 cards, because it also loses 2 life. what a load of horse shit

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Well it's half card cycle but still pretty op.

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"Shivan dragon is not a 5/5 flying dragon creature for 6 red mana. That's ludicrous. It lets you pay a fire mana for +1 attack, not to mention the flavor text". - People in this thread

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OniRonin posted...

Zeus posted...

Except for the fact that you're basically claiming a tall mountain in your town is one of the tallest mountains in the world.

Clearly you know nothing about magic. Blocked.

Says the guy who didn't even understand how Planeswalkers worked and thought Jace was an instant or sorcery.

shadowsword87 posted...

No, no really, it's right here:
https://img.scryfall.com/cards/large/front/4/6/46b0a5c2-ac85-448e-9e87-12fc74fd4147.jpg?1559591672

>Claims people don't know about MtG
>Calls it "island mana"

OniRonin posted...

ParanoidObsessive posted...

Zeus accurately corrected you on how the card actually works, and you dismissed him out of hand with a pissy attitude, in spite of the fact that there IS a mechanical difference between the two (ie, he was right). Then you attempted to defend your position via shitty inaccurate analogies. That's just for starters.

By this logic, I would be wrong to say night's whisper draws 2 cards, because it also loses 2 life. what a load of horse shit

The fact that you don't seem to understand why that's not even close to being the same thing is part of the problem here, or more likely you're just trolling.

When Night's Whisper is used, you wind up with 2 extra cards in your hand (although your overall hand size only increases by 1 because Night's Whisper leaves it). When Jace's effect is used, you wind up with 1 extra card in your hand.
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Says the guy who didn't even understand how Planeswalkers worked and thought Jace was an instant or sorcery.

you just assume i think random incorrect shit and then yell at me for being wrong based on your imaginary idea of what I think that's not based on my actual words. i never said he went to the discard area after use or that he increased the player's hand size a particular amount

When Jace's effect is used, you wind up with 1 extra card in your hand.

by this logic, it is stupid to say arcanis the omnipotent draws 3 cards. you end up with 3 extra cards in your hand, whereas ancestor's call only puts 2 extra cards in your hand, so arcanis the omnipotent actually draws 4 cards. why can't you argue with my actual words instead of shit you made up about me?

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