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CyricZ 10/26/19 7:03:21 AM #306:	If you feel that a few transgender people are eroding society down a path to extinction... If you feel that giving people respect and dignity for being something that is proven real is far too much to ask... If you feel that you have to tell us all that you want to use the r-word without any kind of accountability... I'm sure you'll be happy to know that old white men still run the world. All you have to do to stay away from the marginalized groups that bug you so much is build your white picket fence, securely close your drapes, and clean your gun as you crank up the FOX News. --- CyricZ <cite>CyricZ posted [p:929256998] in Texas jury... [t:78108026]...</cite> <quote>If you feel that a few transgender people are eroding society down a path to extinction... If you feel that giving people respect and dignity for being something that is proven real is far too much to ask... If you feel that you have to tell us all that you want to use the r-word without any kind of accountability... I'm sure you'll be happy to know that old white men still run the world. All you have to do to stay away from the marginalized groups that bug you so much is build your white picket fence, securely close your drapes, and clean your gun as you crank up the FOX News. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kaliesto 10/26/19 7:05:01 AM #307:	The_Scarecrow posted... Hm, dont some of you people get tired of throwing around the term transphobic? It doesnt help your argument at all by resorting to petty jabs. Also, stop using so many logical fallacies. Ive been counting so many ITT that it is starting to become ridiculous. Im not going to call anyone out but certain users entire arguments are based off of either one or multiple logical fallacies. Oh, and generalizing by saying really dumb statements like Cis people dont understand blah blah blah makes you just as bad as the transphobic people youre claiming to be fighting against. I personally dont think the father or many of the users here are transphobic. They just want what is best for the child. You can disagree with that without resorting to what a teenager would do if theyre losing an argument. Just say I disagree and state your explanation. Its not rocket science. Were all adults here. Theres no need to act like children. If you feel like someone is being disrespectful, then try being the better person rather than bringing yourself to their level. I am addressing both sides of the argument. However, some users are going about it a little worse than others. People's ideals on here seem more important than logic unfortunately believe me these topics are getting old, I think the adults involved in this case are more or less invoking their will on the child, and not even letting the child grow up first. I --- Gimme dat, gimme dat, gimme dat DramaFAQs-misterbum <cite>Kaliesto posted [p:929257018] in Texas jury... [t:78108026]...</cite> <quote>The_Scarecrow posted... </cite> <quote>Hm, dont some of you people get tired of throwing around the term transphobic? It doesnt help your argument at all by resorting to petty jabs. Also, stop using so many logical fallacies. Ive been counting so many ITT that it is starting to become ridiculous. Im not going to call anyone out but certain users entire arguments are based off of either one or multiple logical fallacies. Oh, and generalizing by saying really dumb statements like Cis people dont understand blah blah blah makes you just as bad as the transphobic people youre claiming to be fighting against. I personally dont think the father or many of the users here are transphobic. They just want what is best for the child. You can disagree with that without resorting to what a teenager would do if theyre losing an argument. Just say I disagree and state your explanation. Its not rocket science. Were all adults here. Theres no need to act like children. If you feel like someone is being disrespectful, then try being the better person rather than bringing yourself to their level. I am addressing both sides of the argument. However, some users are going about it a little worse than others.</quote> People's ideals on here seem more important than logic unfortunately believe me these topics are getting old, I think the adults involved in this case are more or less invoking their will on the child, and not even letting the child grow up first. I </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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WashYourHands 10/26/19 8:14:55 AM #309:	shockthemonkey posted... What ideals do you represent when you want a childs entire life to be dictated by your emotions rather than allowing the child the chance to be evaluated by professionals? Im sure the VAST majority of fathers and mothers in this world would tell a professional to fuck off if they suggest putting their 7 year old son on puberty blockers because he shows signs of gender dysphoria. Let the child grow up and then decide --- Pay yourself before any bills, savings is paramount but often forgotten <cite>WashYourHands posted [p:929258104] in Texas jury... [t:78108026]...</cite> <quote>shockthemonkey posted...</cite> <quote>What ideals do you represent when you want a childs entire life to be dictated by your emotions rather than allowing the child the chance to be evaluated by professionals?</quote> Im sure the VAST majority of fathers and mothers in this world would tell a professional to fuck off if they suggest putting their 7 year old son on puberty blockers because he shows signs of gender dysphoria. Let the child grow up and then decide</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 10/26/19 8:18:49 AM #310:	WashYourHands posted... Im sure the VAST majority of fathers and mothers in this world would tell a professional to fuck off if they suggest putting their 7 year old son on puberty blockers because he shows signs of gender dysphoria. Let the child grow up and then decide Ah the old "parents always know best, science be damned" ideal. I mean, the very fact that the child's parents are at odds about this, which is the entire impetus of the topic, demonstrates (one way or another) that parents don't always know best, so your argument along those lines is worthless. --- CyricZ <cite>CyricZ posted [p:929258167] in Texas jury... [t:78108026]...</cite> <quote>WashYourHands posted... </cite> <quote>Im sure the VAST majority of fathers and mothers in this world would tell a professional to fuck off if they suggest putting their 7 year old son on puberty blockers because he shows signs of gender dysphoria. Let the child grow up and then decide</quote>Ah the old "parents always know best, science be damned" ideal. I mean, the very fact that the child's parents are at odds about this, which is the entire impetus of the topic, demonstrates (one way or another) that parents don't always know best, so your argument along those lines is worthless. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MudKip_Master 10/26/19 8:26:55 AM #312:	That poor father... <cite>MudKip_Master posted [p:929258297] in Texas jury... [t:78108026]...</cite> <quote>That poor father...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
VayneSolo 10/26/19 8:30:37 AM #313:	CADE FOSTER posted... Freedom to choose is every Americans right dont like it get out of our country That freedom only exist if you have money. If you have no money you have no freedom. Unless you count the freedom to choose how to die as freedom. On topic: perhaps the child is now capable of going out of home and taking care of itself without the father paying for anything? <cite>VayneSolo posted [p:929258372] in Texas jury... [t:78108026]...</cite> <quote>CADE FOSTER posted...</cite> <quote>Freedom to choose is every Americans right dont like it get out of our country</quote> That freedom only exist if you have money. If you have no money you have no freedom. Unless you count the freedom to choose how to die as freedom. On topic: perhaps the child is now capable of going out of home and taking care of itself without the father paying for anything?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WashYourHands 10/26/19 8:31:16 AM #314:	shockthemonkey posted... WashYourHands posted... shockthemonkey posted... What ideals do you represent when you want a childs entire life to be dictated by your emotions rather than allowing the child the chance to be evaluated by professionals? Im sure the VAST majority of fathers and mothers in this world would tell a professional to fuck off if they suggest putting their 7 year old son on puberty blockers because he shows signs of gender dysphoria. Let the child grow up and then decide So your ideals here are to not let a childs health be handled by professionals but by emotional reactionary parents. Parents refuse treatments all the time for their children. Which is sad if they are dying and need the treatment to survive. With that said, we are talking about puberty blocking treatment so the child is not dying from any disease so yes the treatment should be up to both the parents --- Pay yourself before any bills, savings is paramount but often forgotten <cite>WashYourHands posted [p:929258382] in Texas jury... [t:78108026]...</cite> <quote>shockthemonkey posted...</cite> <quote>WashYourHands posted...</cite> <quote>shockthemonkey posted...</cite> <quote>What ideals do you represent when you want a childs entire life to be dictated by your emotions rather than allowing the child the chance to be evaluated by professionals?</quote> Im sure the VAST majority of fathers and mothers in this world would tell a professional to fuck off if they suggest putting their 7 year old son on puberty blockers because he shows signs of gender dysphoria. Let the child grow up and then decide</quote> So your ideals here are to not let a childs health be handled by professionals but by emotional reactionary parents.</quote> Parents refuse treatments all the time for their children. Which is sad if they are dying and need the treatment to survive. With that said, we are talking about puberty blocking treatment so the child is not dying from any disease so yes the treatment should be up to both the parents</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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WashYourHands 10/26/19 8:50:38 AM #316:	Its weird that I still care after a judge decided that it was both parents decision. If that had been the case at the beginning of the thread it would have just been a fair,next from me --- Pay yourself before any bills, savings is paramount but often forgotten <cite>WashYourHands posted [p:929258792] in Texas jury... [t:78108026]...</cite> <quote>Its weird that I still care after a judge decided that it was both parents decision. If that had been the case at the beginning of the thread it would have just been a fair,next from me</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 10/26/19 8:58:00 AM #317:	WashYourHands posted... Its weird that I still care after a judge decided that it was both parents decision. If that had been the case at the beginning of the thread it would have just been a fair,next from me Don't worry, the bigoted dad will probably be cut out again soon enough. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:929258937] in Texas jury... [t:78108026]...</cite> <quote>WashYourHands posted...</cite> <quote>Its weird that I still care after a judge decided that it was both parents decision. If that had been the case at the beginning of the thread it would have just been a fair,next from me</quote> Don't worry, the bigoted dad will probably be cut out again soon enough.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Malfunction 10/26/19 9:09:39 AM #319:	Do we have think ppl itt would be as willing to accept a video wherein the same child said they were a girl <cite>Malfunction posted [p:929259171] in Texas jury... [t:78108026]...</cite> <quote>Do we have think ppl itt would be as willing to accept a video wherein the same child said they were a girl</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 10/26/19 9:21:18 AM #320:	The_Scarecrow posted... Oh, and generalizing by saying really dumb statements like Cis people dont understand blah blah blah makes you just as bad as the transphobic people youre claiming to be fighting against. One, the power imbalance makes it impossible to be "just as bad" with regards to cisgender people. Two, even if it were possible, you're ignoring the entire argument which is that transgender children exist, deserve esteem, the child's not even old enough to get any medical treatments yet, and even in a few years when she is old enough to start it'll be several more after that before any permanent treatments can begin and there's dozens of safeguards that exist. Three, the fact that people have an opinion on this without that knowledge, and that their opinions actively prove detrimental to all transgender youth in the name of protecting them? Protecting them from what, if they're NOT transgender, which is to say, they're trying to enforce a status quo that punishes anyone who isn't part of it, even children. And that plays back to point one, that the status quo is inherently geared towards alienation of anyone not cisgender. Four, speaking of opinions? That transgender youth exist, deserve esteem, should be allowed to transition, and that they deserve to get medical care ONLY if they meet extremely high proofs of burden to receive intervention? That's not an opinion, that's the only correct viewpoint. It doesn't matter if somebody understands transgender people or not, it's the only correct view, just like somebody doesn't have to understand complex physics well to know that acceleration due to Earth's gravity (1 g) is 9.80665 m/s^2, usually rounded down to 9.8 in most intro courses. And of course, back to two and three, cisgender people who are not affected by this have an "opinion" on something that neither affects them nor is it an "opinion" based on all the facts, there are few posters here who know what the requirements and standards of care are for transgender adults or how much higher the requirements are for transgender youth to receive medical intervention. Five, you don't have to consciously hate transgender people to be transphobic. If your views run opposed to decades of research with extremely high requirements in favor of forcing a lack of medical care in order to uphold a status quo that erases and ignores transgender people existing? That's transphobia. Maybe not as vile as people who actively call for the extermination of transgender people, but still ultimately results in a similar outcome, alienation of transgender people, refusing them care because of personal views not steeped in science or anything factual, and even an attempt at the erasure of transgender people by literally saying that people can be too young to be it. And no, it's not some losing argument to acknowledge that it's transphobia then other people have an "opinion" neither based on being aware of the situation, not getting informed, harming and erasing transgender people, and disregarding both professional and transgender people's statements on the facts. The fact is, transphobia is socially ingrained into most of the world's societies, usually as a result of the history of misdirected Christian teachings. It's no different than how even a decade ago, jokes where the punchline was something about being gay. That was homophobia at all points in time, but the status quo was more accepting of such jokes then. Spoiler alert, the status quo is usually wrong and takes a long time to correctly grow to embrace minority groups, and even longer to properly understand and accept them as part of the status quo, and then even longer to make it unacceptable for people to go targeting those minorities on the basis of being said minority. --- https://i.imgtc.ws/x2KBsjI.png <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:929259426] in Texas jury... [t:78108026]...</cite> <quote>The_Scarecrow posted...</cite> <quote>Oh, and generalizing by saying really dumb statements like Cis people dont understand blah blah blah makes you just as bad as the transphobic people youre claiming to be fighting against.</quote> One, the power imbalance makes it impossible to be "just as bad" with regards to cisgender people. Two, even if it were possible, you're ignoring the entire argument which is that transgender children exist, deserve esteem, the child's not even old enough to get any medical treatments yet, and even in a few years when she is old enough to start it'll be several more after that before any permanent treatments can begin and there's dozens of safeguards that exist. Three, the fact that people have an opinion on this without that knowledge, and that their opinions actively prove detrimental to all transgender youth in the name of protecting them? Protecting them from what, if they're NOT transgender, which is to say, they're trying to enforce a status quo that punishes anyone who isn't part of it, even children. And that plays back to point one, that the status quo is inherently geared towards alienation of anyone not cisgender. Four, speaking of opinions? That transgender youth exist, deserve esteem, should be allowed to transition, and that they deserve to get medical care ONLY if they meet extremely high proofs of burden to receive intervention? That's not an opinion, that's the only correct viewpoint. It doesn't matter if somebody understands transgender people or not, it's the only correct view, just like somebody doesn't have to understand complex physics well to know that acceleration due to Earth's gravity (1 g) is 9.80665 m/s^2, usually rounded down to 9.8 in most intro courses. And of course, back to two and three, cisgender people who are not affected by this have an "opinion" on something that neither affects them nor is it an "opinion" based on all the facts, there are few posters here who know what the requirements and standards of care are for transgender adults or how much higher the requirements are for transgender youth to receive medical intervention. Five, you don't have to consciously hate transgender people to be transphobic. If your views run opposed to decades of research with extremely high requirements in favor of forcing a lack of medical care in order to uphold a status quo that erases and ignores transgender people existing? That's transphobia. Maybe not as vile as people who actively call for the extermination of transgender people, but still ultimately results in a similar outcome, alienation of transgender people, refusing them care because of personal views not steeped in science or anything factual, and even an attempt at the erasure of transgender people by literally saying that people can be too young to be it. And no, it's not some losing argument to acknowledge that it's transphobia then other people have an "opinion" neither based on being aware of the situation, not getting informed, harming and erasing transgender people, and disregarding both professional and transgender people's statements on the facts. The fact is, transphobia is socially ingrained into most of the world's societies, usually as a result of the history of misdirected Christian teachings. It's no different than how even a decade ago, jokes where the punchline was something about being gay. That was homophobia at all points in time, but the status quo was more accepting of such jokes then. Spoiler alert, the status quo is usually wrong and takes a long time to correctly grow to embrace minority groups, and even longer to properly understand and accept them as part of the status quo, and then even longer to make it unacceptable for people to go targeting those minorities on the basis of being said minority.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 10/26/19 9:28:37 AM #321:	VayneSolo posted... CADE FOSTER posted... Freedom to choose is every Americans right dont like it get out of our country That freedom only exist if you have money. If you have no money you have no freedom. Unless you count the freedom to choose how to die as freedom. On topic: perhaps the child is now capable of going out of home and taking care of itself without the father paying for anything? She's a human who uses she/ her pronouns, she's not an object and it's not like she's some wild animal we have yet to properly identify as a male or female. Calling a transgender person it is fucking revolting. OctilIery posted... WashYourHands posted... Its weird that I still care after a judge decided that it was both parents decision. If that had been the case at the beginning of the thread it would have just been a fair,next from me Don't worry, the bigoted dad will probably be cut out again soon enough. That's what I'm hoping. Don't look up the guy's blog post btw, in a state like Colorado his explicitly transphobic posts with slurs would be reason enough for most judges you determine that the father deserved zero say in the treatment and transition of his daughter, as well as placing a clear statement that he'd be in contempt of court (among other things) should he interfere or refuse to allow his daughter to dress, identify as, and behave as a girl for the time being wherein that's the extent of the transition. Malfunction posted... Do we have think ppl itt would be as willing to accept a video wherein the same child said they were a girl We have at least a dozen saying she was "coached" or "pressured" and if they say who coached her, they always say it's the mother. --- https://i.imgtc.ws/x2KBsjI.png <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:929259586] in Texas jury... [t:78108026]...</cite> <quote>VayneSolo posted...</cite> <quote>CADE FOSTER posted...</cite> <quote>Freedom to choose is every Americans right dont like it get out of our country</quote> That freedom only exist if you have money. If you have no money you have no freedom. Unless you count the freedom to choose how to die as freedom. On topic: perhaps the child is now capable of going out of home and taking care of itself without the father paying for anything?</quote> She's a human who uses she/ her pronouns, she's not an object and it's not like she's some wild animal we have yet to properly identify as a male or female. Calling a transgender person it is fucking revolting. OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote>WashYourHands posted...</cite> <quote>Its weird that I still care after a judge decided that it was both parents decision. If that had been the case at the beginning of the thread it would have just been a fair,next from me</quote> Don't worry, the bigoted dad will probably be cut out again soon enough.</quote> That's what I'm hoping. Don't look up the guy's blog post btw, in a state like Colorado his explicitly transphobic posts with slurs would be reason enough for most judges you determine that the father deserved zero say in the treatment and transition of his daughter, as well as placing a clear statement that he'd be in contempt of court (among other things) should he interfere or refuse to allow his daughter to dress, identify as, and behave as a girl for the time being wherein that's the extent of the transition. Malfunction posted...</cite> <quote>Do we have think ppl itt would be as willing to accept a video wherein the same child said they were a girl</quote> We have at least a dozen saying she was "coached" or "pressured" and if they say who coached her, they always say it's the mother.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kaliesto 10/26/19 11:02:21 AM #322:	We're missing something from this topic from both sides of the argument regarding to Transgender Scientific studies, nobody has been providing them. I actually like to see who these medical scientists are, and also see what their reputation is. .GOV studies preferably. --- Gimme dat, gimme dat, gimme dat DramaFAQs-misterbum <cite>Kaliesto posted [p:929261767] in Texas jury... [t:78108026]...</cite> <quote>We're missing something from this topic from both sides of the argument regarding to Transgender Scientific studies, nobody has been providing them. I actually like to see who these medical scientists are, and also see what their reputation is. .GOV studies preferably. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 10/26/19 11:06:19 AM #323:	WashYourHands posted... shockthemonkey posted... WashYourHands posted... shockthemonkey posted... What ideals do you represent when you want a childs entire life to be dictated by your emotions rather than allowing the child the chance to be evaluated by professionals? Im sure the VAST majority of fathers and mothers in this world would tell a professional to fuck off if they suggest putting their 7 year old son on puberty blockers because he shows signs of gender dysphoria. Let the child grow up and then decide So your ideals here are to not let a childs health be handled by professionals but by emotional reactionary parents. Parents refuse treatments all the time for their children. Which is sad if they are dying and need the treatment to survive. With that said, we are talking about puberty blocking treatment so the child is not dying from any disease so yes the treatment should be up to both the parents So if a child is suffering but not at risk of dying, then parents should be able to ignore doctors and like... rely on homeopathics or something? --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:929261877] in Texas jury... [t:78108026]...</cite> <quote>WashYourHands posted...</cite> <quote>shockthemonkey posted...</cite> <quote>WashYourHands posted...</cite> <quote>shockthemonkey posted...</cite> <quote>What ideals do you represent when you want a childs entire life to be dictated by your emotions rather than allowing the child the chance to be evaluated by professionals?</quote> Im sure the VAST majority of fathers and mothers in this world would tell a professional to fuck off if they suggest putting their 7 year old son on puberty blockers because he shows signs of gender dysphoria. Let the child grow up and then decide</quote> So your ideals here are to not let a childs health be handled by professionals but by emotional reactionary parents.</quote> Parents refuse treatments all the time for their children. Which is sad if they are dying and need the treatment to survive. With that said, we are talking about puberty blocking treatment so the child is not dying from any disease so yes the treatment should be up to both the parents</quote> So if a child is suffering but not at risk of dying, then parents should be able to ignore doctors and like... rely on homeopathics or something?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RiKuToTheMiGhtY 10/26/19 11:48:27 AM #324:	This may have been said before but I have not seen it: Why are all these parents who are trying to push transgender beliefs mostly trying to change boys into girls ?? You almost never see it about these parents trying to have their girl become a boy nor does that get much if any attention. Parents need to let the child choose themselves without trying to be a champion for transgender politics. Teenagers and people who have hit puberty know what they want to be by their choice, all these pre puberty children being influenced or forced by their parents are NOT choosing for themselves. --- doa-plus.com - We Press Forward. . . By Pressing Back. <cite>RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted [p:929263058] in Texas jury... [t:78108026]...</cite> <quote>This may have been said before but I have not seen it: Why are all these parents who are trying to push transgender beliefs mostly trying to change boys into girls ?? You almost never see it about these parents trying to have their girl become a boy nor does that get much if any attention. Parents need to let the child choose themselves without trying to be a champion for transgender politics. Teenagers and people who have hit puberty know what they want to be by their choice, all these pre puberty children being influenced or forced by their parents are NOT choosing for themselves.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 10/26/19 1:07:05 PM #325:	RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted... Why are all these parents who are trying to push transgender beliefs mostly trying to change boys into girls ?? If the question you're so tactfully asking is "why do we see more transgirls than transboys", the answer is theorized to be the penis. Which is to say since the penis is such a present and obvious sign of what it means to be male, the dysphoria can come up as soon as the children are aware. In the case of girls who would transition to boys, the lack of penis doesn't seem to be as big a deal as the development of breasts, which happens later in life. That's all theory, though. RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted... all these pre puberty children being influenced or forced by their parents are NOT choosing for themselves. Prove it. --- CyricZ <cite>CyricZ posted [p:929265411] in Texas jury... [t:78108026]...</cite> <quote>RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted... </cite> <quote>Why are all these parents who are trying to push transgender beliefs mostly trying to change boys into girls ??</quote>If the question you're so tactfully asking is "why do we see more transgirls than transboys", the answer is theorized to be the penis. Which is to say since the penis is such a present and obvious sign of what it means to be male, the dysphoria can come up as soon as the children are aware. In the case of girls who would transition to boys, the lack of penis doesn't seem to be as big a deal as the development of breasts, which happens later in life. That's all theory, though. RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted... </cite> <quote>all these pre puberty children being influenced or forced by their parents are NOT choosing for themselves.</quote>Prove it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 10/26/19 2:00:25 PM #326:	RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted... Parents need to let the child choose themselves without trying to be a champion for transgender politics. There's literally no evidence that's what's happening here. There's tons of evidence the kid is choosing for herself. You can't get a child approved for transitioning without that happening. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:929267247] in Texas jury... [t:78108026]...</cite> <quote>RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted...</cite> <quote>Parents need to let the child choose themselves without trying to be a champion for transgender politics.</quote> There's literally no evidence that's what's happening here. There's tons of evidence the kid is choosing for herself. You can't get a child approved for transitioning without that happening.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyrannosaurus 10/26/19 2:11:23 PM #327:	No way in god damn hell would my 7 year old be allowed to do this. Fight me. --- Mmmm... Goat... <cite>Tyrannosaurus posted [p:929267583] in Texas jury... [t:78108026]...</cite> <quote>No way in god damn hell would my 7 year old be allowed to do this. Fight me. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 10/26/19 2:15:48 PM #328:	Tyrannosaurus posted... No way in god damn hell would my 7 year old be allowed to do this. Fight me. If your seven-year-old were trans and you'd resort to violence to get your way? Willingly. --- CyricZ <cite>CyricZ posted [p:929267721] in Texas jury... [t:78108026]...</cite> <quote>Tyrannosaurus posted... </cite> <quote>No way in god damn hell would my 7 year old be allowed to do this. Fight me.</quote>If your seven-year-old were trans and you'd resort to violence to get your way? Willingly. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 10/26/19 2:18:32 PM #330:	Tyrannosaurus posted... Yes. A 7 year old doesnt know any better. So you would resort to violence to get your way. Noted. --- CyricZ <cite>CyricZ posted [p:929267818] in Texas jury... [t:78108026]...</cite> <quote>Tyrannosaurus posted... </cite> <quote>Yes. A 7 year old doesnt know any better.</quote>So you would resort to violence to get your way. Noted. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyrannosaurus 10/26/19 2:19:23 PM #331:	CyricZ posted... So you would resort to violence to get your way. Noted. In defense, not offense. --- Mmmm... Goat... <cite>Tyrannosaurus posted [p:929267844] in Texas jury... [t:78108026]...</cite> <quote>CyricZ posted... </cite> <quote>So you would resort to violence to get your way. Noted.</quote>In defense, not offense. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 10/26/19 2:22:03 PM #332:	Tyrannosaurus posted... In defense, not offense. Uh huh. Just consider me glad you don't actually have a seven-year-old, or in fact any children. --- CyricZ <cite>CyricZ posted [p:929267930] in Texas jury... [t:78108026]...</cite> <quote>Tyrannosaurus posted... </cite> <quote>In defense, not offense.</quote>Uh huh. Just consider me glad you don't actually have a seven-year-old, or in fact any children. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
viewmaster_pi 10/26/19 2:52:19 PM #333:	RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted... Why are all these parents who are trying to push transgender beliefs mostly trying to change boys into girls ?? and it's always the mom doing it, hmmmmm --- - Sent from my DynaTAC 8000X <cite>viewmaster_pi posted [p:929269054] in Texas jury... [t:78108026]...</cite> <quote>RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted... </cite> <quote>Why are all these parents who are trying to push transgender beliefs mostly trying to change boys into girls ??</quote>and it's always the mom doing it, hmmmmm </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PleaseClap 10/26/19 2:56:05 PM #334:	Trans men exist. --- she/her https://imgur.com/AmWcJjM <cite>PleaseClap posted [p:929269203] in Texas jury... [t:78108026]...</cite> <quote>Trans men exist.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
onedarksoul 10/26/19 2:59:13 PM #335:	MudKip_Master posted... That poor father... Sometimes you just have to say "fuck the law". <cite>onedarksoul posted [p:929269336] in Texas jury... [t:78108026]...</cite> <quote>MudKip_Master posted... </cite> <quote>That poor father...</quote>Sometimes you just have to say "fuck the law". </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
onedarksoul 10/26/19 3:01:35 PM #336:	pls posted... The judge has awarded 50/50 custody. This means both parents need to agree on any treatment to stop puberty or to transition. God bless. The mother is off her rocker. Is this really the case? If so the kid is saved. <cite>onedarksoul posted [p:929269431] in Texas jury... [t:78108026]...</cite> <quote>pls posted... </cite> <quote>The judge has awarded 50/50 custody. This means both parents need to agree on any treatment to stop puberty or to transition. God bless. The mother is off her rocker.</quote>Is this really the case? If so the kid is saved. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
onedarksoul 10/26/19 3:03:06 PM #337:	NonDairyMiltank posted... uhhh if you support the mom's decision to transition the kid and haven't been keeping up on this story, you're in for some disappointment... a judge on Thursday already ruled the decision will require joint consent from BOTH parents now Link? @NonDairyMiltank <cite>onedarksoul posted [p:929269490] in Texas jury... [t:78108026]...</cite> <quote>NonDairyMiltank posted... </cite> <quote>uhhh if you support the mom's decision to transition the kid and haven't been keeping up on this story, you're in for some disappointment... a judge on Thursday already ruled the decision will require joint consent from BOTH parents now</quote>Link? @NonDairyMiltank </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
viewmaster_pi 10/26/19 3:11:21 PM #338:	the mom isn't even the biological one, she can honestly fuck off --- - Sent from my DynaTAC 8000X <cite>viewmaster_pi posted [p:929269789] in Texas jury... [t:78108026]...</cite> <quote>the mom isn't even the biological one, she can honestly fuck off </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
onedarksoul 10/26/19 3:17:20 PM #339:	Found it: https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/in-james-younger-transgender-case-judge-grants-parents-joint-medical-psychiatric-authority-80778 <cite>onedarksoul posted [p:929270019] in Texas jury... [t:78108026]...</cite> <quote>Found it: https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/in-james-younger-transgender-case-judge-grants-parents-joint-medical-psychiatric-authority-80778 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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viewmaster_pi 10/26/19 3:33:09 PM #341:	Jesus fucking christ *Georgulas is reported to believe James identifies as a girl in part because of his affinity for the Disney movie Frozen* and its female character leads, along with other feminine preferences in toys. She has wanted to affirm James identity as a girl, while Younger has advocated for a watchful waiting approach to see if James changes his mind as he matures, The Texan reported. According to the Washington Examiner, expert witnesses called in the court expressed doubts as to whether James actually strongly identifies as female. --- - Sent from my DynaTAC 8000X <cite>viewmaster_pi posted [p:929270590] in Texas jury... [t:78108026]...</cite> <quote>Jesus fucking christ <quote>Georgulas is reported to believe James identifies as a girl in part because of his affinity for the Disney movie Frozen and its female character leads, along with other feminine preferences in toys. She has wanted to affirm James identity as a girl, while Younger has advocated for a watchful waiting approach to see if James changes his mind as he matures, The Texan reported. According to the Washington Examiner, expert witnesses called in the court expressed doubts as to whether James actually strongly identifies as female.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 10/26/19 3:43:17 PM #342:	viewmaster_pi posted... Jesus fucking christ *Georgulas is reported to believe James identifies as a girl in part because of his affinity for the Disney movie Frozen* and its female character leads, along with other feminine preferences in toys. She has wanted to affirm James identity as a girl, while Younger has advocated for a watchful waiting approach to see if James changes his mind as he matures, The Texan reported. According to the Washington Examiner, expert witnesses called in the court expressed doubts as to whether James actually strongly identifies as female. You'll believe any bullshit that affirms your disgust and disbelief that transgender youth exist. Somebody could post "there's footage of the kid playing with trucks and the mom offers him a stuffed animal instead, forcing the kid to be trans" and you'd believe it and go "I KNEW IT" for the umpteenth time. --- https://i.imgtc.ws/x2KBsjI.png <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:929270929] in Texas jury... [t:78108026]...</cite> <quote>viewmaster_pi posted...</cite> <quote>Jesus fucking christ <quote>Georgulas is reported to believe James identifies as a girl in part because of his affinity for the Disney movie Frozen and its female character leads, along with other feminine preferences in toys. She has wanted to affirm James identity as a girl, while Younger has advocated for a watchful waiting approach to see if James changes his mind as he matures, The Texan reported. According to the Washington Examiner, expert witnesses called in the court expressed doubts as to whether James actually strongly identifies as female.</quote></quote> You'll believe any bullshit that affirms your disgust and disbelief that transgender youth exist. Somebody could post "there's footage of the kid playing with trucks and the mom offers him a stuffed animal instead, forcing the kid to be trans" and you'd believe it and go "I KNEW IT" for the umpteenth time.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
viewmaster_pi 10/26/19 3:46:09 PM #343:	gunplagirl posted... You'll believe any bullshit that affirms your disgust and disbelief that transgender youth exist. Why is that bullshit? Better yet, why is the "evidence" the mom has to claim he's female not bullshit? There's no reason. You don't care about this kid, you just want to see your "side" push forward. --- - Sent from my DynaTAC 8000X <cite>viewmaster_pi posted [p:929271047] in Texas jury... [t:78108026]...</cite> <quote>gunplagirl posted... </cite> <quote>You'll believe any bullshit that affirms your disgust and disbelief that transgender youth exist.</quote>Why is that bullshit? Better yet, why is the "evidence" the mom has to claim he's female not bullshit? There's no reason. You don't care about this kid, you just want to see your "side" push forward. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PleaseClap 10/26/19 3:47:34 PM #344:	Iron-Tarkus posted... I'd like to point out for those taking only a surface level glance at the topic, you can read the court transcript yourself https://savejames.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/July-10th-Court-Transcript.pdf I especially recommend page 91 of the transcript where the CPS agent testifies that. They found no evidence Luna is being forced to dress as a girl Her teacher says she never felt anyone was pressuring her to be a girl, and that she preferred to go by Luna The schools assistant principal also had no concerns about her being pressured Luna stated she was afraid of her dad because he forces her to dress as a boy CPS agent states that they have no doubt that it was Lunas choice to call herself Luna and Lunas choice to wear dresses. It then brings up a second CPS case. This one against the father for emotional abuse. Where it talks about Luna being afraid of her father because he decided her hair was too long, cut her hair and forced her to dress as a boy. --- she/her https://imgur.com/AmWcJjM <cite>PleaseClap posted [p:929271104] in Texas jury... [t:78108026]...</cite> <quote>Iron-Tarkus posted...</cite> <quote>I'd like to point out for those taking only a surface level glance at the topic, you can read the court transcript yourself https://savejames.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/July-10th-Court-Transcript.pdf I especially recommend page 91 of the transcript where the CPS agent testifies that. They found no evidence Luna is being forced to dress as a girl Her teacher says she never felt anyone was pressuring her to be a girl, and that she preferred to go by Luna The schools assistant principal also had no concerns about her being pressured Luna stated she was afraid of her dad because he forces her to dress as a boy CPS agent states that they have no doubt that it was Lunas choice to call herself Luna and Lunas choice to wear dresses. It then brings up a second CPS case. This one against the father for emotional abuse. Where it talks about Luna being afraid of her father because he decided her hair was too long, cut her hair and forced her to dress as a boy.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 10/26/19 3:56:20 PM #345:	viewmaster_pi posted... gunplagirl posted... You'll believe any bullshit that affirms your disgust and disbelief that transgender youth exist. Why is that bullshit? Better yet, why is the "evidence" the mom has to claim he's female not bullshit? There's no reason. You don't care about this kid, you just want to see your "side" push forward. Ahahaha The court had all but one juror agree to grant the mother sole custody. The father's entire argument brought in therapists who had never spoken with his kid. All the therapists who the mother brought in, as well as social services and whatnot spoke in private with the daughter and she responded consistently that she's a girl, nobody's forcing her, and that she was afraid of her father because she wouldn't be allowed to dress or act like a girl and that the father refused to call her by her name (Luna). The judge ignored all of this and still decided both parents had to decide together. Keep in mind, for the millionth time, all the transition care until she's at least 10 are purely social in nature. Behaving as a girl, dressing as one, being called by her chosen name, etc. The father and other people who are having kneejerk reactions are the ones bringing up surgical intervention that's years away. Hell, the judge even stated in her ruling that the father had disrespected the privacy of his child and as such was forced to take down his blogs although the damage had been done. So basically? The judge ignored the actual reasonable ruling in favor of one that hurts the child by having her torn between a household that loves and embraces her, and one that will not allow her to embrace her identity and even made her a national talking point for transphobes who want to use her as a weapon in their war on trans people. That is to say, the professionals here were all in consensus and it's your side that doesn't actually care about the child, you just want to deny the kid a chance to transition socially due to personal hangups you have against transgender people. --- https://i.imgtc.ws/x2KBsjI.png <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:929271445] in Texas jury... [t:78108026]...</cite> <quote>viewmaster_pi posted...</cite> <quote>gunplagirl posted... </cite> <quote>You'll believe any bullshit that affirms your disgust and disbelief that transgender youth exist.</quote>Why is that bullshit? Better yet, why is the "evidence" the mom has to claim he's female not bullshit? There's no reason. You don't care about this kid, you just want to see your "side" push forward. </quote> Ahahaha The court had all but one juror agree to grant the mother sole custody. The father's entire argument brought in therapists who had never spoken with his kid. All the therapists who the mother brought in, as well as social services and whatnot spoke in private with the daughter and she responded consistently that she's a girl, nobody's forcing her, and that she was afraid of her father because she wouldn't be allowed to dress or act like a girl and that the father refused to call her by her name (Luna). The judge ignored all of this and still decided both parents had to decide together. Keep in mind, for the millionth time, all the transition care until she's at least 10 are purely social in nature. Behaving as a girl, dressing as one, being called by her chosen name, etc. The father and other people who are having kneejerk reactions are the ones bringing up surgical intervention that's years away. Hell, the judge even stated in her ruling that the father had disrespected the privacy of his child and as such was forced to take down his blogs although the damage had been done. So basically? The judge ignored the actual reasonable ruling in favor of one that hurts the child by having her torn between a household that loves and embraces her, and one that will not allow her to embrace her identity and even made her a national talking point for transphobes who want to use her as a weapon in their war on trans people. That is to say, the professionals here were all in consensus and it's your side that doesn't actually care about the child, you just want to deny the kid a chance to transition socially due to personal hangups you have against transgender people.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
viewmaster_pi 10/26/19 4:01:26 PM #346:	gunplagirl posted... Ahahaha this tells me so much more than what you actually typed afterward --- - Sent from my DynaTAC 8000X <cite>viewmaster_pi posted [p:929271639] in Texas jury... [t:78108026]...</cite> <quote>gunplagirl posted... </cite> <quote>Ahahaha</quote>this tells me so much more than what you actually typed afterward </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 10/26/19 4:06:56 PM #347:	viewmaster_pi posted... gunplagirl posted... Ahahaha this tells me so much more than what you actually typed afterward So you ignored the post immediately preceeding mine citing specific pages of the testimony wherein CPS agents and adults in the girl's life all testified affirming that Luna is in fact Luna, identifies as female, isn't being pressured by anyone to be that way, and that the father had faced abuse charges for cutting the girl's hair. --- https://i.imgtc.ws/x2KBsjI.png <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:929271822] in Texas jury... [t:78108026]...</cite> <quote>viewmaster_pi posted...</cite> <quote>gunplagirl posted... </cite> <quote>Ahahaha</quote>this tells me so much more than what you actually typed afterward </quote> So you ignored the post immediately preceeding mine citing specific pages of the testimony wherein CPS agents and adults in the girl's life all testified affirming that Luna is in fact Luna, identifies as female, isn't being pressured by anyone to be that way, and that the father had faced abuse charges for cutting the girl's hair.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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viewmaster_pi 10/26/19 4:12:49 PM #349:	shockthemonkey posted... Yeah when a Catholic source is posted you cant expect to take it too seriously Not the first source I heard it from, once I saw another article had anything to say about it, I copied and pasted, since I didn't want to spout hearsay. So it's not just that site. --- - Sent from my DynaTAC 8000X <cite>viewmaster_pi posted [p:929272014] in Texas jury... [t:78108026]...</cite> <quote>shockthemonkey posted... </cite> <quote>Yeah when a Catholic source is posted you cant expect to take it too seriously</quote>Not the first source I heard it from, once I saw another article had anything to say about it, I copied and pasted, since I didn't want to spout hearsay. So it's not just that site. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 10/26/19 4:13:38 PM #350:	shockthemonkey posted... viewmaster_pi posted... Jesus fucking christ *Georgulas is reported to believe James identifies as a girl in part because of his affinity for the Disney movie Frozen* and its female character leads, along with other feminine preferences in toys. She has wanted to affirm James identity as a girl, while Younger has advocated for a watchful waiting approach to see if James changes his mind as he matures, The Texan reported. According to the Washington Examiner, expert witnesses called in the court expressed doubts as to whether James actually strongly identifies as female. Yeah when a Catholic source is posted you cant expect to take it too seriously Never mind the fact that like, every kid who was 6 or under when that movie came out loved it because it's got a bunch of goofy silly jokes, story they can follow along with really easily, and also great singing which is historically a really good way to get kids into movies and shows. --- https://i.imgtc.ws/x2KBsjI.png <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:929272047] in Texas jury... [t:78108026]...</cite> <quote>shockthemonkey posted...</cite> <quote>viewmaster_pi posted...</cite> <quote>Jesus fucking christ <quote>Georgulas is reported to believe James identifies as a girl in part because of his affinity for the Disney movie Frozen and its female character leads, along with other feminine preferences in toys. She has wanted to affirm James identity as a girl, while Younger has advocated for a watchful waiting approach to see if James changes his mind as he matures, The Texan reported. According to the Washington Examiner, expert witnesses called in the court expressed doubts as to whether James actually strongly identifies as female.</quote></quote> Yeah when a Catholic source is posted you cant expect to take it too seriously</quote> Never mind the fact that like, every kid who was 6 or under when that movie came out loved it because it's got a bunch of goofy silly jokes, story they can follow along with really easily, and also great singing which is historically a really good way to get kids into movies and shows.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
viewmaster_pi 10/26/19 4:14:08 PM #351:	gunplagirl posted... So you ignored the post immediately preceeding mine citing specific pages of the testimony wherein CPS agents and adults in the girl's life all testified affirming that Luna is in fact Luna, identifies as female, isn't being pressured by anyone to be that way, and that the father had faced abuse charges for cutting the girl's hair. No, I read it, I just don't have much stock in it since the kid's just a kid. And it's weird to me that cutting your child's hair constitutes abuse these days, but --- - Sent from my DynaTAC 8000X <cite>viewmaster_pi posted [p:929272071] in Texas jury... [t:78108026]...</cite> <quote>gunplagirl posted... </cite> <quote>So you ignored the post immediately preceeding mine citing specific pages of the testimony wherein CPS agents and adults in the girl's life all testified affirming that Luna is in fact Luna, identifies as female, isn't being pressured by anyone to be that way, and that the father had faced abuse charges for cutting the girl's hair.</quote>No, I read it, I just don't have much stock in it since the kid's just a kid. And it's weird to me that cutting your child's hair constitutes abuse these days, but </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 10/26/19 4:15:38 PM #352:	viewmaster_pi posted... [LFAQs-redacted-quote] Not the first source I heard it from, once I saw another article had anything to say about it, I copied and pasted, since I didn't want to spout hearsay. So it's not just that site. Unless the information comes from professionals who had spoken with Luna directly? It's about as believable as that time I found a Tumblr post by somebody claiming to be the Lindbergh baby. --- https://i.imgtc.ws/x2KBsjI.png <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:929272120] in Texas jury... [t:78108026]...</cite> <quote>viewmaster_pi posted...</cite> <quote><cite>[LFAQs-redacted-quote]</cite> Not the first source I heard it from, once I saw another article had anything to say about it, I copied and pasted, since I didn't want to spout hearsay. So it's not just that site. </quote> Unless the information comes from professionals who had spoken with Luna directly? It's about as believable as that time I found a Tumblr post by somebody claiming to be the Lindbergh baby.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
viewmaster_pi 10/26/19 4:19:49 PM #353:	gunplagirl posted... Unless the information comes from professionals who had spoken with Luna directly? It's about as believable as that time I found a Tumblr post by somebody claiming to be the Lindbergh baby. Weird throwback but alright --- - Sent from my DynaTAC 8000X <cite>viewmaster_pi posted [p:929272280] in Texas jury... [t:78108026]...</cite> <quote>gunplagirl posted... </cite> <quote>Unless the information comes from professionals who had spoken with Luna directly? It's about as believable as that time I found a Tumblr post by somebody claiming to be the Lindbergh baby.</quote>Weird throwback but alright </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 10/26/19 4:21:22 PM #354:	viewmaster_pi posted... gunplagirl posted... So you ignored the post immediately preceeding mine citing specific pages of the testimony wherein CPS agents and adults in the girl's life all testified affirming that Luna is in fact Luna, identifies as female, isn't being pressured by anyone to be that way, and that the father had faced abuse charges for cutting the girl's hair. No, I read it, I just don't have much stock in it since the kid's just a kid. And it's weird to me that cutting your child's hair constitutes abuse these days, but So you think you know better than professionals and adults who know the child. That is to say, it's not just the girl but adults all saying the same thing. Yeah, you don't care about the kid and you're stuck on your personal hangups regarding transgender people. Children in particular. The fact you don't believe that transgender children even exist is proof you should have zero say in this, you aren't even acting on a "let's be safe in case she isn't" misdirected concern, you're acting on a "this kid IS cis and got brainwashed and couldn't possibly be trans" concern. And cutting a girl's hair when it's an important part of her identity as a girl IS abuse, and very traumatizing. It doesn't even need to be as severe as in the case of Izabel Laxamana, a cisgender teenage girl who DID commit suicide following being humiliated as her father forcefully cut her hair. --- https://i.imgtc.ws/x2KBsjI.png <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:929272338] in Texas jury... [t:78108026]...</cite> <quote>viewmaster_pi posted...</cite> <quote>gunplagirl posted... </cite> <quote>So you ignored the post immediately preceeding mine citing specific pages of the testimony wherein CPS agents and adults in the girl's life all testified affirming that Luna is in fact Luna, identifies as female, isn't being pressured by anyone to be that way, and that the father had faced abuse charges for cutting the girl's hair.</quote>No, I read it, I just don't have much stock in it since the kid's just a kid. And it's weird to me that cutting your child's hair constitutes abuse these days, but </quote> So you think you know better than professionals and adults who know the child. That is to say, it's not just the girl but adults all saying the same thing. Yeah, you don't care about the kid and you're stuck on your personal hangups regarding transgender people. Children in particular. The fact you don't believe that transgender children even exist is proof you should have zero say in this, you aren't even acting on a "let's be safe in case she isn't" misdirected concern, you're acting on a "this kid IS cis and got brainwashed and couldn't possibly be trans" concern. And cutting a girl's hair when it's an important part of her identity as a girl IS abuse, and very traumatizing. It doesn't even need to be as severe as in the case of Izabel Laxamana, a cisgender teenage girl who DID commit suicide following being humiliated as her father forcefully cut her hair.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 10/26/19 4:22:11 PM #355:	viewmaster_pi posted... gunplagirl posted... Unless the information comes from professionals who had spoken with Luna directly? It's about as believable as that time I found a Tumblr post by somebody claiming to be the Lindbergh baby. Weird throwback but alright Oh, that post was great. The guy was in his mid 60s but somehow born almost a century prior. --- https://i.imgtc.ws/x2KBsjI.png <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:929272366] in Texas jury... [t:78108026]...</cite> <quote>viewmaster_pi posted...</cite> <quote>gunplagirl posted... </cite> <quote>Unless the information comes from professionals who had spoken with Luna directly? It's about as believable as that time I found a Tumblr post by somebody claiming to be the Lindbergh baby.</quote>Weird throwback but alright </quote> Oh, that post was great. The guy was in his mid 60s but somehow born almost a century prior.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
viewmaster_pi 10/26/19 4:23:05 PM #356:	it could happen --- - Sent from my DynaTAC 8000X <cite>viewmaster_pi posted [p:929272396] in Texas jury... [t:78108026]...</cite> <quote>it could happen </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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