Current Events > Texas jury rules against dad trying to stop 7yo son's gender transition

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Jeffrey Younger had sought sole custody of his twin sons, James and Jude, in part over concerns their mother Anne Georgulas planned to start hormone therapy for James, who she contends is transgender and identifies as a girl named Luna, The Washington Examiner reports.

The nation's peak body representing psychologists believes children aged under 16 should be allowed to undergo irreversible transgender surgery, even if their parents disagree.

A Texas jury has ruled against a father seeking to intervene in the gender transition of his seven-year-old son.

Transgender advocates have welcomed the decision and accused the right of whipping up a transphobic panic over the case, arguing it was actually Mr Younger who was doing damage to James by forcing him to dress in boys clothes against his wishes.

The Governor of Texas weighed into the controversy late on Wednesday. FYI the matter of seven-year-old James Younger is being looked into by the Texas Attorney Generals Office and the Texas Department of Family and Protective Services, Greg Abbott tweeted.

Dr Anne Georgulas wants to support her sons gender transition. Source: Supplied
According to The Texan, expert witnesses called by Dr Georgulas were mostly therapists and counsellors who said James told them he was a girl, while Mr Youngers witnesses had not met James but were medical professionals who pointed out the dangers of social transition and the medical transition it usually leads to.

Dr Benjamin Albritton, in sworn testimony last week, expressed doubt that James was fully convinced he was female. There is still some fluidity in his thinking, he said. Neither child appears to be depressed, anxious or aggressive (James) gave no indications of other significant psychological difficulties.

Dr Albritton compiled a report for the court advocating an affirmation approach but recommending the court prohibit Dr Georgulas from initiating a medical transition without approval from Mr Younger, The Texan reports.

The judge could include Dr Albrittons recommendation in her verdict on Thursday. Mr Younger could appeal the jurys decision, but is concerned that James could already be on puberty blockers by the end of that process which could take up to a year.

Dr Georgulas provided a letter from a gay childrens therapy centre recommending James become a patient of Dallas transgender childrens clinic Genecis so that she can receive a full psychological assessment for gender dysphoria and potentially take hormone blockers.

Mr Younger launched a website last year called SaveJames.com, where he urges people to donate towards his legal expenses to fight the chemical castration and sex-change of his seven-year-old son.

Texas Republican Representative Chip Roy commented on the case earlier this week, writing on Twitter, This lunacy in our society is fundamentally altering this young boys life.

He also was quoted telling The Blaze, We are fundamentally damaging young boys and girls because we are allowing our culture to make them an experiment in some fad and we should be ashamed.

Texas Republican Senator Ted Cruz tweeted on Wednesday, This is horrifying and tragic. For a parent to subject such a young child to life-altering hormone blockers to medically transition their sex is nothing less than child abuse.

He added, A seven-year-old child doesnt have the maturity to make profound decisions like this. The state of Texas should protect this childs right to choose as an informed, mature person and not be used as a pawn
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Fuck that Texas jury for allowing this. The kid barely knows how to read and tie his shoes. He also needs permission to use the bathroom or ask a question in class, yet he's somehow old enough to transition. Fuck everybody who supports this.

Oh christ. Not touching this one.

I hope in time this entire thing becomes crystal clear one way or the other, so that awful situations like this don't continue to happen.
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There's no real harm in going on puberty blockers to give kids more time to make a decision. The results of transgendered adults who had properly supportive parents at a young age are pretty amazing not just in looks but also mental wellbeing.

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Tyranthraxus posted...

There's no real harm in going on puberty blockers to give kids more time to make a decision. The results of transgendered adults who had properly supportive parents at a young age are pretty amazing not just in looks but also mental wellbeing.

More time? Hes 7 why not wait for him to make it himself when hes an ADULT
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Freedom to choose is every Americans right dont like it get out of our country
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Hooooly fucking Moses this society of ours.
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shockthemonkey posted...

Sirfetchd posted...

Tyranthraxus posted...

There's no real harm in going on puberty blockers to give kids more time to make a decision. The results of transgendered adults who had properly supportive parents at a young age are pretty amazing not just in looks but also mental wellbeing.

More time? Hes 7 why not wait for him to make it himself when hes an ADULT

Because if they are trans then that will significantly reduces their quality of life and increase their risks of greatest mental health problems and suicide.

I'd also wager to bet that 7 year olds arent fully equipped to start making there life altering choices. What happens if they become an adult and regret going on puberty blockers at SEVEN years old?
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CADE FOSTER posted...

Freedom to choose is every Americans right dont like it get out of our country

A 7 year old is extremely underage. Thats why you dont see middle schoolers tatted up like 6ix9ine
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The fuck? 7 year old? What is wrong with people?
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This is beyond crazy. This is a child not even a teenager.

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NathanX95 posted...

Fuck that Texas jury for allowing this. The kid barely knows how to read and tie his shoes. He also needs permission to use the bathroom or ask a question in class, yet he's somehow old enough to transition. Fuck everybody who supports this.

Fuck everybody involved in this farce.

#SaveJames
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shockthemonkey posted...

Sirfetchd posted...

shockthemonkey posted...

Sirfetchd posted...

Tyranthraxus posted...

There's no real harm in going on puberty blockers to give kids more time to make a decision. The results of transgendered adults who had properly supportive parents at a young age are pretty amazing not just in looks but also mental wellbeing.

More time? Hes 7 why not wait for him to make it himself when hes an ADULT

Because if they are trans then that will significantly reduces their quality of life and increase their risks of greatest mental health problems and suicide.

I'd also wager to bet that 7 year olds arent fully equipped to start making there life altering choices. What happens if they become an adult and regret going on puberty blockers at SEVEN years old?

Thats why 7 year old arent the one making all of the choices. What side effects are you worried about from going on puberty blockers?

Of course you support this.
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Sirfetchd posted...

shockthemonkey posted...

Sirfetchd posted...

Tyranthraxus posted...

There's no real harm in going on puberty blockers to give kids more time to make a decision. The results of transgendered adults who had properly supportive parents at a young age are pretty amazing not just in looks but also mental wellbeing.

More time? Hes 7 why not wait for him to make it himself when hes an ADULT

Because if they are trans then that will significantly reduces their quality of life and increase their risks of greatest mental health problems and suicide.

I'd also wager to bet that 7 year olds arent fully equipped to start making there life altering choices. What happens if they become an adult and regret going on puberty blockers at SEVEN years old?

Oh yes, because a 7 year old really had to worry about starting puberty any minute
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Reversible treatment is fine. Irreversible treatment should wait until he's an adult.
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shockthemonkey posted...

And here come a lot of people who think he should be evaluated and maybe given puberty blockers is the same as transitioning because TC lied to them and they didnt feel like reading.

Cis people rarely understand anything about trans people or transitioning. That's why they still joke about shit like "John clocks out on Friday and comes back Monday as Joann, vagina and implants and everything" and shitty stereotypes that aren't even remotely possible.
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Also, look at everyone in this topic misgendering a trans girl. She's a girl, people. Not a boy.
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If you cant do a majority of shit in the US that effects your life until youre 18, you definitely shouldnt be allowed to get your own fucking sex change at 7 fucking years old. Snowflakes are ruining this country.

Agnostic420 posted...

If you cant do a majority of shit in the US that effects your life until youre 18, you definitely shouldnt be allowed to get your own fucking sex change at 7 fucking years old. Snowflakes are ruining this country.

That's not how it works, read the damn article, all that she might get is puberty blockers which are reversible. Especially since she's 7.
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If you are 7 and have a penis, youre a boy. No 7 year old understands any of this shit.

gunplagirl posted...

That's not how it works, read the damn article, all that she might get is puberty blockers which are reversible. Especially since she's 7.

i do not give a shit. A 7 year old should have no right to make that decision. Period. End of story.

shockthemonkey posted...

No one is trying to get a sex change for a 7 year old.

Read the article

Theyre trying to get this child properly evaluated and AT MOST put on puberty blockers.

oh. Well have at it then.

I'm literally someone who regrets not transitioning to male in my teenage years, and even I agree that you need to at least wait until early puberty because you make a transition decision.

There's huge ramifications of transitioning that are irreversible, including fertility and musculoskeletal development. You really need to have some level of self-awareness and decision-making capacity before you go through with it.


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Agnostic420 posted...

If you are 7 and have a penis, youre a boy. No 7 year old understands any of this shit.

Okay so imagine that your kid is exhibiting signs of a cognitive behavioral disorder. Do you need the kid to be able to explain in their own words "well hello there, good chap, I appear to be lacking certain fundamental filters as a result of something that occurred during my foetal development, shall we be off to the therapist to get a diagnosis, pip pip cheerio" or would you notice the actual issues yourself and when they vocalize that they're aware of the issues, seek a diagnosis?
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I've heard reports that this kids mom would dress him up as a girl, call him a girl, and when he wouldn't wear the dresses she would say she didn't love him.

Don't know how true all that tis, but if it is holy shit
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shockthemonkey posted...

Sirfetchd posted...

shockthemonkey posted...

Sirfetchd posted...

Tyranthraxus posted...

There's no real harm in going on puberty blockers to give kids more time to make a decision. The results of transgendered adults who had properly supportive parents at a young age are pretty amazing not just in looks but also mental wellbeing.

More time? Hes 7 why not wait for him to make it himself when hes an ADULT

Because if they are trans then that will significantly reduces their quality of life and increase their risks of greatest mental health problems and suicide.

I'd also wager to bet that 7 year olds arent fully equipped to start making there life altering choices. What happens if they become an adult and regret going on puberty blockers at SEVEN years old?

Thats why 7 year old arent the one making all of the choices. What side effects are you worried about from going on puberty blockers?

So, say I had gone on puberty blockers at age 7 and remained on them until 16 before realizing Im not transgendered. How different would I be physically now, 10 years later, from how I am?
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DarkRoast posted...

I'm literally someone who regrets not transitioning to male in my teenage years, and even I agree that you need to at least wait until early puberty because you make a transition decision.

There's huge ramifications of transitioning that are irreversible, including fertility and musculoskeletal development. You really need to have some level of self-awareness and decision-making capacity before you go through with it.

Heaven forbid a trans girl ends up sterile like... *Looks at the side effects of testosterone blockers* every trans woman on those or who got an orchiectomy or bottom surgery.
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I feel bad for the father. I can't even imagine this scenario for either of my kids. That has got to be soul crushing for the dad. My god, look at us.

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gunplagirl posted...

Heaven forbid a trans girl ends up sterile like... *Looks at the side effects of testosterone blockers* every trans woman on those or who got an orchiectomy or bottom surgery.

I don't think you understand.

A 7 year old does not have the frontal lobe brain development necessary to process long-term consequences.

One of the most important decisions you have to make when you transition is the decision to become permanent sterile. That's not a reasonable decision for a 7 year old to make. At least wait until he's developed sexual desire in puberty.

There's a reason it's considered unethical to perform tubal ligations on people under 18.

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DarkRoast posted...

I don't think you understand.

A 7 year old does not have the frontal lobe brain development necessary to process long-term consequences.

One of the most important decisions you have to make when you transition is the decision to become permanent sterile. That's not a reasonable decision for a 7 year old to make. At least wait until he's developed sexual desire in puberty.

this as well. Either way.. absurd. A 7 year old shouldnt even be having this conversation. And the parent or whomever started it should have their feet held to the fire.

gunplagirl posted...

Okay so imagine that your kid is exhibiting signs of a cognitive behavioral disorder. Do you need the kid to be able to explain in their own words "well hello there, good chap, I appear to be lacking certain fundamental filters as a result of something that occurred during my foetal development, shall we be off to the therapist to get a diagnosis, pip pip cheerio" or would you notice the actual issues yourself and when they vocalize that they're aware of the issues, seek a diagnosis?

The only way you see to fix CBD is that? Youre out of your own mind.

Shablagoo posted...

shockthemonkey posted...

Sirfetchd posted...

shockthemonkey posted...

Sirfetchd posted...

Tyranthraxus posted...

There's no real harm in going on puberty blockers to give kids more time to make a decision. The results of transgendered adults who had properly supportive parents at a young age are pretty amazing not just in looks but also mental wellbeing.

More time? Hes 7 why not wait for him to make it himself when hes an ADULT

Because if they are trans then that will significantly reduces their quality of life and increase their risks of greatest mental health problems and suicide.

I'd also wager to bet that 7 year olds arent fully equipped to start making there life altering choices. What happens if they become an adult and regret going on puberty blockers at SEVEN years old?

Thats why 7 year old arent the one making all of the choices. What side effects are you worried about from going on puberty blockers?

So, say I had gone on puberty blockers at age 7 and remained on them until 16 before realizing Im not transgendered. How different would I be physically now, 10 years later, from how I am?

Historically, the average age people (well, Europeans) started puberty at was 16 throughout most of the medieval period. If we're doing a general age range that encompasses most of the time from 1 CE to the present year CE, it'd be 13-17. The 20th century actually averaged starting at 12 and currently it's floating around 12.5 as the average age to start puberty.

So honestly? There wouldn't be much difference, unless you mean you were on blockers then transitioned, then you'd still definitely be able to pass for cisgender although you'd probably not reach an average penis size as a result of never experiencing a testosterone-induced puberty.
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Gunplagirl, there's a difference between being pro-trans-rights and understanding the concept of age and long-term decision-making capacity.

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DarkRoast posted...

gunplagirl posted...

Heaven forbid a trans girl ends up sterile like... *Looks at the side effects of testosterone blockers* every trans woman on those or who got an orchiectomy or bottom surgery.

I don't think you understand.

A 7 year old does not have the frontal lobe brain development necessary to process long-term consequences.

One of the most important decisions you have to make when you transition is the decision to become permanent sterile. That's not a reasonable decision for a 7 year old to make. At least wait until he's developed sexual desire in puberty.

There's a reason it's considered unethical to perform tubal ligations on people under 18.

There's no harm in using the reversible, able to be ended at any time puberty blockers, especially while waiting to see if SHE is truly a girl, or if it was a phase. Brain development doesn't matter when her being transgender would be present regardless.
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DarkRoast posted...

Gunplagirl, there's a difference between being pro-trans-rights and understanding the concept of age and long-term decision-making capacity.

I didnt see this being debated. Doesnt seem so. Im pro trans. Pro everything really, dont care. However they are 7 years old. No 7 year old should make that decision. Is what it is.

And before you repeat it again, no, puberty blockers DON'T render you permanently sterile. @DarkRoast
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NathanX95 posted...

Fuck that Texas jury for allowing this. The kid barely knows how to read and tie his shoes. He also needs permission to use the bathroom or ask a question in class, yet he's somehow old enough to transition. Fuck everybody who supports this.

The people who support this are actually educated on it, unlike yourself.

shockthemonkey posted...

Why would it not be soul crushing for the mother to watch her childs father try to refuse proper medical attention?

Why are trans people soul crushing?

I'm looking at this from a father position. Well, what it's like being a father myself, anyway. I have a 5 year old son. He's my baby boy, my # 1 son, my little man. It's emotional, having a son. I can't even articulate it accurately. It's just something you have to experience yourself.

I don't care about trans people existing out in the wild. Don't give a shit. They are all well and good, and all power to them. You do you boo. All that jazz

This is my son, tho. My boy. As I stated earlier, I find it difficult to explain and articulate in a meaningful way. If he was trans, I would just have to get over it, but I wouldn't be super happy about it.

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Sirfetchd posted...

I'd also wager to bet that 7 year olds arent fully equipped to start making there life altering choices. What happens if they become an adult and regret going on puberty blockers at SEVEN years old?

Then you stop the puberty blockers and that's it.

They might be a little shorter than the average adult. but otherwise no big deal.

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Whatever.
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DarkRoast posted...

There's a reason it's considered unethical to perform tubal ligations on people under 18.

It shouldn't be. There's nothing unethical about doing that procedure to someone who wants it and it has no long term negative medical consequences.

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