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OctilIery 10/24/19 7:54:34 PM #204: |
darkjedilink posted...
hockeybub89 posted...viewmaster_pi posted...hockeybub89 posted...If a child complains of a headache, should we hold off on treating it for as long as possible?That kind of comparison to something medically trivial like a headache isn't helpful for your argument. Nope. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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viewmaster_pi 10/24/19 7:58:47 PM #205: |
OctilIery posted...
We don't know if the kid was coached or coerced.Correct. And it's a two-way street in that regard. --- - Sent from my DynaTAC 8000X ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Blue_Dream87 10/24/19 7:59:22 PM #206: |
4 pages in, is CE on the same level about what transitioning means?
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hockeybub89 10/24/19 8:00:42 PM #207: |
A child can't randomly get irreparably gender transitioned any easier than a child can randomly have open heart surgery. But let's fearmonger.
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OctilIery 10/24/19 8:02:45 PM #208: |
viewmaster_pi posted...
OctilIery posted...We don't know if the kid was coached or coerced.Correct. And it's a two-way street in that regard. Absolutely. A 7 year old saying on video that he's a girl is no more proof. That's why they have professionals for it. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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WashYourHands 10/24/19 8:09:25 PM #210: |
shockthemonkey posted...
hockeybub89 posted...A child can't randomly get irreparably gender transitioned any easier than a child can randomly have open heart surgery. But let's fearmonger. But its ok to subject the child to possible ailments in the future due to messing with hormonal development just in case they turn out to be what 0.6% of the us population are? --- Pay yourself before any bills, savings is paramount but often forgotten ... Copied to Clipboard!
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darkjedilink 10/24/19 8:10:25 PM #211: |
OctilIery posted...
darkjedilink posted...hockeybub89 posted...viewmaster_pi posted...hockeybub89 posted...If a child complains of a headache, should we hold off on treating it for as long as possible?That kind of comparison to something medically trivial like a headache isn't helpful for your argument. Those are literally the side effects of puberty blockers. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Lordgold666 10/24/19 8:11:41 PM #212: |
Y i k e s
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MaverickXeo 10/24/19 8:15:25 PM #213: |
shockthemonkey posted...
MaverickXeo posted...Sirfetchd posted...shockthemonkey posted...Sirfetchd posted...Tyranthraxus posted...There's no real harm in going on puberty blockers to give kids more time to make a decision. The results of transgendered adults who had properly supportive parents at a young age are pretty amazing not just in looks but also mental wellbeing. They aren't doing it because they want to; they are because the child wants to. --- --- MaverickXeo --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Middle hope 10/24/19 8:17:49 PM #214: |
No matter the results of any legal proceedings, this kid is going to be beyond fucked up in his teenage years from this circus.
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hockeybub89 10/24/19 8:31:10 PM #215: |
WashYourHands posted...
shockthemonkey posted...hockeybub89 posted...A child can't randomly get irreparably gender transitioned any easier than a child can randomly have open heart surgery. But let's fearmonger. Do you honestly think doctors are just m pumping stuff into a large portion of children at the request of the children or parents, just on the off chance they might turn out trans? You think this is how things work? And what is protecting these quacks from long prison terms and loss of medical license? The SJW Deep State? --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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RonnyCrypto 10/24/19 8:32:32 PM #216: |
Mother should be jailed for child abuse. Disgusting behavior.
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darkjedilink 10/24/19 8:36:19 PM #218: |
hockeybub89 posted...
WashYourHands posted...shockthemonkey posted...hockeybub89 posted...A child can't randomly get irreparably gender transitioned any easier than a child can randomly have open heart surgery. But let's fearmonger. Any doctor who actually cares about kids wouldn't be doing this, period. The 'benefit' of easier transitioning as an adult is not better than the drawbacks (namely: no less than two-thirds of 'trans' kids literally growing out of it via puberty; a significant portion of them become sterile; a larger portion have bone and joint health issues for the rest of their lives; no statistically relevant difference in suicide rates or mental health issues for people who transition). No parent who actually cares about their children would allow their kids to go through puberty blockers treatment, and no government of the people should be allowed to mandate such treatment. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen ... Copied to Clipboard!
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gunplagirl 10/24/19 8:47:35 PM #220: |
Funny how kids are too young to be trans but not too young to be cis. And heaven forbid you suggest all kids get on puberty blockers using one of their own lines like "to be sure they're not wrong about their gender" as justification.
But then, transphobia requires a persecution complex and refusal to actually get educated on the subject. Truly, transphobes encompass their phrase "reals before feels" because they only have feels. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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RonnyCrypto 10/24/19 8:59:22 PM #221: |
gunplagirl posted...
Funny how kids are too young to be trans but not too young to be cis. And heaven forbid you suggest all kids get on puberty blockers using one of their own lines like "to be sure they're not wrong about their gender" as justification. You must be trolling. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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WashYourHands 10/24/19 9:06:44 PM #223: |
shockthemonkey posted...
WashYourHands posted...shockthemonkey posted...hockeybub89 posted...A child can't randomly get irreparably gender transitioned any easier than a child can randomly have open heart surgery. But let's fearmonger. So you are saying the risk is worth it? --- Pay yourself before any bills, savings is paramount but often forgotten ... Copied to Clipboard!
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hockeybub89 10/24/19 9:09:32 PM #224: |
RonnyCrypto posted...
gunplagirl posted...Funny how kids are too young to be trans but not too young to be cis. And heaven forbid you suggest all kids get on puberty blockers using one of their own lines like "to be sure they're not wrong about their gender" as justification. She occasionally makes good points like here. No one gives a damn about a kid identifying as a gender or being attracted to someone, as long as they are cis and straight. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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WashYourHands 10/24/19 9:12:55 PM #225: |
hockeybub89 posted...
RonnyCrypto posted...gunplagirl posted...Funny how kids are too young to be trans but not too young to be cis. And heaven forbid you suggest all kids get on puberty blockers using one of their own lines like "to be sure they're not wrong about their gender" as justification. How many drugs do you have to give these kids so they are cis and straight? --- Pay yourself before any bills, savings is paramount but often forgotten ... Copied to Clipboard!
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hockeybub89 10/24/19 9:16:42 PM #226: |
WashYourHands posted...
shockthemonkey posted...WashYourHands posted...shockthemonkey posted...hockeybub89 posted...A child can't randomly get irreparably gender transitioned any easier than a child can randomly have open heart surgery. But let's fearmonger. This is alternative medicine rhetoric you're spewing. All medicine is bad if we hold the standard to "100% everything-proof". Everything has a risk. Everything has potential side. Is the risk of withholding treatment from 100% of trans people until they are adults worth it? --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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hockeybub89 10/24/19 9:18:34 PM #227: |
WashYourHands posted...
hockeybub89 posted...RonnyCrypto posted...gunplagirl posted...Funny how kids are too young to be trans but not too young to be cis. And heaven forbid you suggest all kids get on puberty blockers using one of their own lines like "to be sure they're not wrong about their gender" as justification. The exact same number. 0. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Gobstoppers12 10/24/19 9:21:43 PM #228: |
hockeybub89 posted...
Is the risk of withholding treatment from 100% of trans people until they are adults worth it? What, precisely, is the risk inherent to withholding puberty blockers and hormone therapy in these cases? --- I write Naruto Fanfiction. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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gunplagirl 10/24/19 9:23:40 PM #229: |
Gobstoppers12 posted...
hockeybub89 posted...Is the risk of withholding treatment from 100% of trans people until they are adults worth it? Before I answer, I want to ask a question to shape how I'll respond. Have you ever said anything along the lines of "if a transgender woman doesn't look like a woman, she shouldn't be allowed in women's restrooms" --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ApoorHollow 10/24/19 9:24:01 PM #230: |
All the mom is doing is moving the child from being gay to being trans
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Gobstoppers12 10/24/19 9:25:39 PM #231: |
gunplagirl posted...
So it's a political opinion. Good to know. --- I write Naruto Fanfiction. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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PleaseClap 10/24/19 9:29:47 PM #232: |
Gobstoppers12 posted...
gunplagirl posted... You could've just said "yes" Gobstoppers12 posted... hockeybub89 posted...Is the risk of withholding treatment from 100% of trans people until they are adults worth it? Going through the wrong puberty can be incredibly distressing for a trans person. --- she/her https://imgur.com/AmWcJjM ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SgtLunatics 10/24/19 9:30:15 PM #233: |
gunplagirl posted...
Funny how kids are too young to be trans but not too young to be cis. Straight is normal, trans is abnormal. It's not hate, bigotry or anything like that, it's biology. Anyway, if kids go trans at young ages I'm sure their chances of suicide would sky rocket as they would be bullied in school even worse than before. (if they were bullied) --- PSN: SgtLunatics, XBO: SgtLunatics114, Switch: SW-0806-1869-5580 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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gunplagirl 10/24/19 9:35:01 PM #234: |
Gobstoppers12 posted...
gunplagirl posted... Ah. That's what I thought. You DO hold trans people to a standard for passing before they earn the right to basic recognition. And at the same time, you oppose allowing young transgender people a really good chance at passing as their gender later in life. It's akin to that "you need to get experience to work this job/ no related jobs will hire to give the experience" conundrum. It doesn't hurt you in any way, but at every step it hurts transgender people. You say they shouldn't even be allowed to delay their default puberty, and want them to wait until they're adults and already permanently masculinized or feminized when they should have been the opposite. And then you add insult to injury by holding them to a standard that you would prevent them from meeting. And then I'm sure you'll have the gall to bring up transgender depression rates as a reason to oppose young kids transitioning, when really depression is more a result of being fucked over every step of the way. And by the way, it's not a political question, the only appropriate answer is that it's messed up to hold transgender people to higher standards than cis people. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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gunplagirl 10/24/19 9:40:09 PM #235: |
SgtLunatics posted...
gunplagirl posted...Funny how kids are too young to be trans but not too young to be cis. All studies on the matter show that transgender youths given support by their families have suicide rates significantly lower than transgender people who transitioned after finishing puberty. And by the way, it's really bullshit to try and use some naturalistic fallacy to decide trans people are abnormal. Uncommon, infrequent, irregular, terms like that which don't have an obvious negative connotation and are at least not loaded. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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kayoticdreamz 10/24/19 9:42:43 PM #236: |
pinky0926 posted...
Oh christ. Not touching this one. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SgtLunatics 10/24/19 10:04:21 PM #237: |
gunplagirl posted...
SgtLunatics posted...gunplagirl posted...Funny how kids are too young to be trans but not too young to be cis. Even uncommon is being generous. They're more like a SSR gacha roll. I have only seen 2 trans people in my life and I think one of them was just a cross-dressing man. Anyway, if what you said is correct then I guess there's no problem if the boy wants to be whatever he wants to be. If i was his father though I'd be disappointed :| --- PSN: SgtLunatics, XBO: SgtLunatics114, Switch: SW-0806-1869-5580 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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OctilIery 10/24/19 10:10:50 PM #238: |
darkjedilink posted...
OctilIery posted...darkjedilink posted...hockeybub89 posted...viewmaster_pi posted...hockeybub89 posted...If a child complains of a headache, should we hold off on treating it for as long as possible?That kind of comparison to something medically trivial like a headache isn't helpful for your argument. Possible side effects, not common ones. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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RonnyCrypto 10/24/19 10:26:49 PM #239: |
OctilIery posted...
darkjedilink posted...OctilIery posted...darkjedilink posted...hockeybub89 posted...viewmaster_pi posted...hockeybub89 posted...If a child complains of a headache, should we hold off on treating it for as long as possible?That kind of comparison to something medically trivial like a headache isn't helpful for your argument. Do you enjoy advocating for child abuse? You should be appalled by this thinking, even if there's a 0.1% risk that those side effects happen. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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F1areaGaman 10/24/19 10:28:22 PM #240: |
Yikes
This should really be up to the parents. A COURT ruling in favor of hormone treatment to kids that young...completely baffling....most kids come out if it before they are 16, but hormone treatment might remove that option for them...OctilIery posted... NathanX95 posted...Fuck that Texas jury for allowing this. The kid barely knows how to read and tie his shoes. He also needs permission to use the bathroom or ask a question in class, yet he's somehow old enough to transition. Fuck everybody who supports this. They are clearly not educated on all the literature then. The research shows the majority of children grow out of the dysphoria by the time they are 18, often before. There is every reason just to allow it to play out naturally, without the intervention of some ****ing whacko doctors giving kids shots. --- 3DS FC: 4656-7003-5457 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ZMythos 10/24/19 11:15:18 PM #241: |
Holy shit the rampant transphobia ITT
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Fossil 10/24/19 11:22:36 PM #242: |
Sirfetchd posted...
The nation's peak body representing psychologists believes children aged under 16 should be allowed to undergo irreversible transgender surgery, even if their parents disagree. lmao this country is so fucked ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kensaimage 10/24/19 11:33:13 PM #243: |
gunplagirl posted...
Also, every post that refers to her as a boy or by her given name at birth should be moddee for transphobia. BRB being the change I want to see in the world. Oh shut the fuck up already with this censorship. Its sickening ... Copied to Clipboard!
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hockeybub89 10/24/19 11:37:23 PM #244: |
F1areaGaman posted...
Hmm I wonder if transistion is a long process with extensive gatekeeping specifically because of this. Nah, the doctors are just lib nutjobs and my feelings and assumptions on how half-assed they do their job must be true. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CesarFaison 10/24/19 11:40:47 PM #245: |
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gunplagirl 10/24/19 11:41:12 PM #246: |
Kensaimage posted...
gunplagirl posted...Also, every post that refers to her as a boy or by her given name at birth should be moddee for transphobia. BRB being the change I want to see in the world. If you think it's censorship for mods to delete posts that violated the rules you agreed to by signing up for this site and returning day after day? You're doing this to yourself. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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RonnyCrypto 10/24/19 11:43:11 PM #247: |
gunplagirl posted...
Kensaimage posted...gunplagirl posted...Also, every post that refers to her as a boy or by her given name at birth should be moddee for transphobia. BRB being the change I want to see in the world. You should be banned for trolling. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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gunplagirl 10/24/19 11:43:34 PM #248: |
hockeybub89 posted...
F1areaGaman posted... Hey, if they (the people freaking out over this) actually got educated on the subject, they'd probably not have all of their shitty views that hurt transgender people. But nope, they'd rather stay ignorant to justify being outraged at anything they don't understand. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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gunplagirl 10/24/19 11:44:13 PM #249: |
RonnyCrypto posted...
gunplagirl posted...Kensaimage posted...gunplagirl posted...Also, every post that refers to her as a boy or by her given name at birth should be moddee for transphobia. BRB being the change I want to see in the world. 12 active posts, really pulling out the big guns, eh? --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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hockeybub89 10/24/19 11:46:58 PM #250: |
Weird how every time there's a discussion on the proper age of transitioning, the skeptical side just devolves into shitting on trans people and the very concept. Interesting
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gunplagirl 10/24/19 11:48:30 PM #251: |
hockeybub89 posted...
Weird how every time there's a discussion on the proper age of transitioning, the skeptical side just devolves into shitting on trans people and the very concept. Interesting It's like talking to a brick wall but the wall is also made of molten hot magma so standing near it is toxic and dangerous --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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RonnyCrypto 10/24/19 11:53:22 PM #252: |
hockeybub89 posted...
Weird how every time there's a discussion on the proper age of transitioning, the skeptical side just devolves into shitting on trans people and the very concept. Interesting More like the non-skeptical side will label anyone who disagrees with their most extreme views transphobic and shower them with insults. We're literally talking about protecting young children from puberty blockers as if it were some controversial viewpoint. You need help if you condone this child abuse. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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gamestunner 10/24/19 11:59:35 PM #253: |
Yikes
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PatrickMahomes 10/25/19 12:01:16 AM #254: |
My lord
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ZMythos 10/25/19 12:03:42 AM #255: |
RonnyCrypto posted...
You really don't understand anything about this, do you? --- Rainbow Dashing: "it's just star wars" AutumnEspirit: *kissu* ... Copied to Clipboard!
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