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Febrel
10/07/19 11:55:33 AM
#51:


Cleo_II posted...
Lol at this topic. A bunch of whiny men who would rather blame others for their own shortcomings. I can sit here and list off all the reasons its hard being a woman but its pointless to do with a bunch of defeatists.

If his list is whining and the problems are all his fault, then so are yours.

Everyone has different obstacles to deal with.
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Guide
10/07/19 11:56:59 AM
#52:


Febrel posted...
Cleo_II posted...
Lol at this topic. A bunch of whiny men who would rather blame others for their own shortcomings. I can sit here and list off all the reasons its hard being a woman but its pointless to do with a bunch of defeatists.

If his list is whining and the problems are all his fault, then so are yours.

Everyone has different obstacles to deal with.


That first line doesn't make any sense. You don't know the context of the problems to be able to say that.
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cuttin_in_farm
10/07/19 11:57:34 AM
#53:


Cleo_II posted...
Lol at this topic. A bunch of whiny men who would rather blame others for their own shortcomings. I can sit here and list off all the reasons its hard being a woman but its pointless to do with a bunch of defeatists.


I feel like men objectively have it harder in social and legal situations.

Women definitely have it harder in other things.
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Shuto-uke
10/07/19 11:57:46 AM
#54:


@Cleo_II posted...
Lol at this topic. A bunch of whiny men who would rather blame others for their own shortcomings. I can sit here and list off all the reasons its hard being a woman but its pointless to do with a bunch of defeatists.


no, no, I'm with you.

Women face lots of discrimination that men don't, they are less generally safe, they age faster, they're physically weaker, and many narrow-minded men don't take them seriously.

Pointing one out doesn't mean you can't believe in the other too :)
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Lost_All_Senses
10/07/19 11:57:58 AM
#55:


Febrel posted...
Cleo_II posted...
Lol at this topic. A bunch of whiny men who would rather blame others for their own shortcomings. I can sit here and list off all the reasons its hard being a woman but its pointless to do with a bunch of defeatists.

If his list is whining and the problems are all his fault, then so are yours.

Everyone has different obstacles to deal with.


Is that your overall technique?

"WELL IF WE ARE THEN SO ARE YOU!"

You still using elementary school comebacks lol
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OctilIery
10/07/19 11:58:23 AM
#56:


You aren't a guy, you're a bitter man child.
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DarthAragorn
10/07/19 11:58:46 AM
#57:


If she can't even bother to list them it's probably bullshit anyway
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Shuto-uke
10/07/19 11:58:56 AM
#58:


Febrel posted...
Cleo_II posted...
Lol at this topic. A bunch of whiny men who would rather blame others for their own shortcomings. I can sit here and list off all the reasons its hard being a woman but its pointless to do with a bunch of defeatists.

If his list is whining and the problems are all his fault, then so are yours.

Everyone has different obstacles to deal with.


Another issue is you're automatically labeled an incel or a fucking loser if you dare say men don't have it super easy (e.g. the guy who called TC an incel, or Cleo) , it adds to the problem too
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Cleo_II
10/07/19 11:59:17 AM
#59:


Febrel posted...
Everyone has different obstacles to deal with.
Exactly my point. So you can sit around and cry about life being unfair or man/woman up and fucking deal with it
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Febrel
10/07/19 11:59:40 AM
#60:


Guide posted...
Febrel posted...
Cleo_II posted...
Lol at this topic. A bunch of whiny men who would rather blame others for their own shortcomings. I can sit here and list off all the reasons its hard being a woman but its pointless to do with a bunch of defeatists.

If his list is whining and the problems are all his fault, then so are yours.

Everyone has different obstacles to deal with.


That first line doesn't make any sense. You don't know the context of the problems to be able to say that.

But on that note there isn't any reason to dismiss and blame TC over anyone else. Nobody knows his life either.
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UnholyMudcrab
10/07/19 12:00:07 PM
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Lost_All_Senses
10/07/19 12:00:58 PM
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Imagine using the one life you get to sit around and bitch about what you can't do.
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Shuto-uke
10/07/19 12:01:22 PM
#63:


DarthAragorn posted...
If she can't even bother to list them it's probably bullshit anyway


if I recall correctly she has faced a lot of sexist workplace discrimination, and that sucks. She is right on that.

She jumps the gun on calling any man who doesn't agree that men have issues to as a fucking loser "defeatist", though.

Sexism has 2 dimensions and we have to try to solve both in order to get rid of the overall issue.
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Shuto-uke
10/07/19 12:03:39 PM
#64:


Cleo_II posted...
Febrel posted...
Everyone has different obstacles to deal with.
Exactly my point. So you can sit around and cry about life being unfair or man/woman up and fucking deal with it


So.... do you tell the tumblr-type people who post feminist stuff (without " "manning up" and dealing with it") the same?
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Prestoff
10/07/19 12:03:42 PM
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For those of you complaining, are you for or against gender roles? It's like you guys only want the benefits of said gender roles without taking the consequences of them. Like if you actually take the time to listen to females and their complaints you will realize that both come with their pros and cons.
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Cleo_II
10/07/19 12:03:52 PM
#66:


Shuto-uke posted...
She jumps the gun on calling any man who doesn't agree that men have issues to as a fucking loser "defeatist", though.
Please point out where I posted this. Im waiting.
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Lost_All_Senses
10/07/19 12:03:58 PM
#67:


Shuto-uke posted...
Sexism has 2 dimensions and we have to try to solve both in order to get rid of the overall issue.


I can see it now "Native CEman fixes all sexism by bitching about it on dying message board"
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Febrel
10/07/19 12:05:53 PM
#68:


I'm just saying there's cognitive dissonance regarding what we demand sympathy for and what we shame idea of offering sympathy to.

Lost_All_Senses posted...
Is that your overall technique?

"WELL IF WE ARE THEN SO ARE YOU!"

You still using elementary school comebacks lol

The content I'm responding to is basically "you're wrong and it's all your fault".

Lost_All_Senses posted...
Imagine using the one life you get to sit around and bitch about what you can't do.

If there's a lot you're finding difficulty with it becomes a nuisance. Granted I doubt TC suffers from everything on his list, but still.
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Cleo_II
10/07/19 12:06:05 PM
#69:


Shuto-uke posted...
So.... do you tell the tumblr-type people who post feminist stuff (without " "manning up" and dealing with it") the same?
I dont go on tumblr so I have no clue what you mean. But if you are talking about man-hating women, yes I have told them the same. Nothing is more annoying than the all men or women are shit posts
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Shuto-uke
10/07/19 12:06:47 PM
#70:


Cleo_II posted...
Shuto-uke posted...
She jumps the gun on calling any man who doesn't agree that men have issues to as a fucking loser "defeatist", though.
Please point out where I posted this. Im waiting.


Cleo_II posted...
Lol at this topic. A bunch of whiny men who would rather blame others for their own shortcomings. I can sit here and list off all the reasons its hard being a woman but its pointless to do with a bunch of defeatists.


Your memory isn't that good I guess. Yes, I paraphrased, duh. My point still stands.

You didn't mean well with this reply, anyway. I made other post ITT, even defending you from other posters by pointing out that you have faced quite a lot of sexism in your workplace, and that YOUR points are not "just bullshit" even though you didn't list them here. But you chose to ignore that and zero in on this and act low key hostile.
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-Cipher-
10/07/19 12:06:52 PM
#71:


Prestoff posted...
For those of you complaining, are you for or against gender roles? It's like you guys only want the benefits of said gender roles without taking the consequences of them. Like if you actually take the time to listen to females and their complaints you will realize that both come with their pros and cons.

Gender roles are just a conspiracy to treat men like dogs and women like pretty little princesses
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Febrel
10/07/19 12:08:16 PM
#72:


Prestoff posted...
For those of you complaining, are you for or against gender roles?

Completely against, unless willingly embraced by the participants.

Prestoff posted...
It's like you guys only want the benefits of said gender roles

They don't benefit everyone.
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Lost_All_Senses
10/07/19 12:08:16 PM
#73:


Febrel posted...
If there's a lot you're finding difficulty with it becomes a nuisance. Granted I doubt TC suffers from everything on his list, but still.


I mean, I have physical pain every single day of my life that lead me to a pain pill addiction but I rarely ever complain about either of those things. Even when I bring up to them I usually follow it up by counting a few blessings so people don't pity me. We all deal with shit.

Edit: Oh, Im also a guy during this which is apparently super tough
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Pepys Monster
10/07/19 12:13:46 PM
#74:


Shuto-uke posted...
and don't obsess over having kids

False.
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Cleo_II
10/07/19 12:14:23 PM
#75:


Shuto-uke posted...
Your memory isn't that good I guess. Yes, I paraphrased, duh. My point still stands.

You didn't mean well with this reply, anyway. I made other post ITT, even defending you from other posters by pointing out that you have faced quite a lot of sexism in your workplace, and that YOUR points are not "just bullshit" even though you didn't list them here. But you chose to ignore that and zero in on this and act low key hostile.
Oh my, thank you shining knight for defending me. Apparently it means I should allow you to paraphrase me terribly and forgive your awful reading comprehension.

I never disagreed that men have their issues too, and I never said they are losers. But saying that men have shit harder while complaining about women like they have a free pass at life is terribly defeatist as its not reality in the slightest. And I would say the same to women who do the same with men. Neither gender is coasting through life. No one has it harder. Every individual is going to experience things differently. Im just sick and tired of gender wars from both sides.
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Prestoff
10/07/19 12:16:25 PM
#76:


Febrel posted...
Completely against, unless willingly embraced by the participants.


I'm only asking because people are putting stuff like "men lives are expendable" and "they always have to make the first move" with stuff like "men are not allow to cry or show emotions" when both of these complaints are at odds to gender roles. You're either against or for gender roles.

Febrel posted...
They don't benefit everyone.


You're also equating this to females right?
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LordMarshal
10/07/19 12:18:28 PM
#77:


There has to be the "bad guy" and in terms of sexes, males are the "bad guys"

No one cares to hear different but equal.
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TimDiamond
10/07/19 12:20:12 PM
#78:


Cleo_II posted...
Febrel posted...
Everyone has different obstacles to deal with.
Exactly my point. So you can sit around and cry about life being unfair or man/woman up and fucking deal with it


"I know you're lacking in any confidence in yourself or self esteem but just deal with it bro, that's just how it is."

You sound like you'd be a superb engineer. Please, stay far, far, far, far, far away from any kind of social work.
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spudger
10/07/19 12:20:25 PM
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bitter
fucking
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Shuto-uke
10/07/19 12:20:53 PM
#80:


Cleo_II posted...
Shuto-uke posted...
Your memory isn't that good I guess. Yes, I paraphrased, duh. My point still stands.

You didn't mean well with this reply, anyway. I made other post ITT, even defending you from other posters by pointing out that you have faced quite a lot of sexism in your workplace, and that YOUR points are not "just bullshit" even though you didn't list them here. But you chose to ignore that and zero in on this and act low key hostile.
Oh my, thank you shining knight for defending me. Apparently it means I should allow you to paraphrase me terribly and forgive your awful reading comprehension.

I never disagreed that men have their issues too, and I never said they are losers. But saying that men have shit harder while complaining about women like they have a free pass at life is terribly defeatist as its not reality in the slightest. And I would say the same to women who do the same with men. Neither gender is coasting through life. No one has it harder. Every individual is going to experience things differently. Im just sick and tired of gender wars from both sides.


LMAO. I was just being fair. But now I am sexist because of that too.

You're just being hostile to me for no reason.
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Guide
10/07/19 12:23:35 PM
#81:


"society" is such a copout bleating. You may as well say "there's no room for land animals cause the ocean" or "everything is too far away cause of space".

"society" is so broad a category that it's meaningless without context.
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ImmatureContent
10/07/19 12:24:16 PM
#82:


It is not hard being a guy. It is maybe a little hard being a delusional guy that lacks any sense of self awareness and blames women or society for all of their problems. But that is a personal problem. Not a universal one.
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Febrel
10/07/19 12:27:09 PM
#83:


ImmatureContent posted...
It is not hard being a guy. It is maybe a little hard being a delusional guy that lacks any sense of self awareness and blames women or society for all of their problems. But that is a personal problem. Not a universal one.

It's delusional to deny that men and women are often held to different standards.
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DarkRoast
10/07/19 12:30:07 PM
#84:


Febrel posted...
It's delusional to deny that men and women are often held to different standards.


Yeah, when we do a better job than a man, we're a bossy bitch.


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Cleo_II
10/07/19 12:30:45 PM
#85:


Shuto-uke posted...
LMAO. I was just being fair. But now I am sexist because of that too.

You're just being hostile to me for no reason.
Lol the bad reading comprehension continues. Yes Im hostile for no reason and not because you keep insisting on putting words in my mouth
TimDiamond posted...
"I know you're lacking in any confidence in yourself or self esteem but just deal with it bro, that's just how it is."

You sound like you'd be a superb engineer. Please, stay far, far, far, far, far away from any kind of social work.
Do you think its acceptable for someone to be bitter against an entire gender because they lack confidence and self esteem?
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DarkRoast
10/07/19 12:32:55 PM
#86:


Anyone who thinks it's easier to be female clearly doesn't know what it's like to be a female in a professional setting

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ImmatureContent
10/07/19 12:33:44 PM
#87:


Febrel posted...
ImmatureContent posted...
It is not hard being a guy. It is maybe a little hard being a delusional guy that lacks any sense of self awareness and blames women or society for all of their problems. But that is a personal problem. Not a universal one.

It's delusional to deny that men and women are often held to different standards.

That seems like a non sequitur. I never claimed otherwise. I would however be inclined to say if you have to compare things, women have it harder than men. So, there is that.
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Cleo_II
10/07/19 12:33:50 PM
#88:


DarkRoast posted...
Yeah, when we do a better job than a man, we're a bossy bitch.
Or we just had everything handed to us
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DarkRoast
10/07/19 12:36:32 PM
#89:


Cleo_II posted...
Or we just had everything handed to us


I remember getting shit in residency over that, even though my USMLEStep 1 was 244. So fucking irritating. Patients who literally asked to see a male physician because they didn't want an "affirmative action physician."

Because Asian girls benefit so much from affirmative action m I ritel

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inTaCtfuL
10/07/19 12:39:14 PM
#90:


UnholyMudcrab posted...
Why do these topics always get so many posts
*shrug* it's literally scrubs just complaining about their scrubbiness

Like people who complain so much about gender differences are like those folks in game forums who complain about how difficult parts of the game. "Omg, I can't handle this boss" "I can't do this technique constantly, please fix" like after a certain time you just have to tell these folks to "git gud" because anytime you give advice to these folks they get way too hostile and will quickly shoot down anything down. :/

Like life is tough but complaining about it isn't doing anyone favors.

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ImmatureContent
10/07/19 12:40:01 PM
#91:


Reminder: There are still people alive that lived in a time when women weren't even allowed to vote in the United States.
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Cleo_II
10/07/19 12:40:42 PM
#92:


DarkRoast posted...
I remember getting shit in residency over that, even though my USMLEStep 1 was 244. So fucking irritating. Patients who literally asked to see a male physician because they didn't want an "affirmative action physician."

Because Asian girls benefit so much from affirmative action m I ritel
Yup I spent a little while as a technical support engineer for a Fortune 500 company. We were all required to have engineering degrees. But I got several calls from other male engineers asking for real engineers to troubleshoot their issues. Theyd argue that my solution was incorrect and call in to have a male tell them the exact same thing and pretend they were their savior. Not counting the few who straight up laughed when they asked if I was actually an engineer and I say yes.

Were soooo privileged
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GoodOlJr
10/07/19 12:40:52 PM
#93:


DarkRoast posted...
I remember getting shit in residency over that, even though my USMLEStep 1 was 244. So fucking irritating. Patients who literally asked to see a male physician because they didn't want an "affirmative action physician."

Because Asian girls benefit so much from affirmative action m I ritel


They do in canada

Asian girls fit in as a minority hire, and theyre are smarter

Win win

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DarthAragorn
10/07/19 12:43:31 PM
#94:


ImmatureContent posted...
Reminder: There are still people alive that lived in a time when women weren't even allowed to vote in the United States.

That's so relevant to social dynamics in 2019
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Febrel
10/07/19 12:43:41 PM
#95:


ImmatureContent posted...
I would however be inclined to say if you have to compare things, women have it harder than men. So, there is that.

Except in some of the areas that TC listed. Women have it harder, except when they have it easier, and vice-versa.

Problem is some people selectively choosing which troubles "don't count".
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Medzzz
10/07/19 12:44:45 PM
#96:


Higher suicide rate.
More likely to be homeless
More likely to die on the job
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ImmatureContent
10/07/19 12:48:08 PM
#97:


DarthAragorn posted...
ImmatureContent posted...
Reminder: There are still people alive that lived in a time when women weren't even allowed to vote in the United States.

That's so relevant to social dynamics in 2019

You think you are being clever, but it absolutely is relevant. If you think society has completely shifted away from those times then maybe we should compare the number of males versus females that hold political offices or other positions of power in the country.
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ImmatureContent
10/07/19 12:52:10 PM
#98:


Febrel posted...
ImmatureContent posted...
I would however be inclined to say if you have to compare things, women have it harder than men. So, there is that.

Except in some of the areas that TC listed. Women have it harder, except when they have it easier, and vice-versa.

Problem is some people selectively choosing which troubles "don't count".

I only made a comparison because you forced one with your response to my previous post. My entire point was that these "problems" are not inherent to being a guy. I never said they don't count. But they are not innately male problems. If they were, then you would expect all men to be complaining about them. That isn't the case, however.
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TimDiamond
10/07/19 12:53:47 PM
#99:


Cleo_II posted...
Do you think its acceptable for someone to be bitter against an entire gender because they lack confidence and self esteem?


No opinion on that. But I can assume that a someone of that type hasn't tasted success in life. In that position, it's very difficult to keep your head up and maintain a positive outlook. We have a growing epidemic of guys around the world giving up on themselves and losing all ambition to make something of themselves. Telling a guy in that position to suck it up is not going to help anyone.

In response to the topic, I feel the cold truth of this world is that society expects the men to be worth a damn and society expects women to find someone worth a damn. If you guys ever look at investment forums or body building forums, you see the primary motivation for joining the group is not "I want to be healthier" or "I want to feel more financial stable". It's more so "I wanna get girls" or "I want to be worth something".

I can see this being a motivator for sexism in the workplace as when a guy has an accomplishment, it makes him stand out to his peers and attracts girls. If all girls can and do make the same accomplishment, it's now worthless.
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Benify
10/07/19 12:58:27 PM
#100:


Attractive women > Attractive men > Ugly men > Ugly women
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