Current Events > This is Greta Thunberg's mother.

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She represented us at Eurovision in 2009.

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"She is the mother of climate activist Greta Thunberg, who convinced her to give up her international opera career due to the environmental impact of aviation.[1]"

o_O
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She's the one that fed her autistic (literally, mods) daughter so much propaganda that she literally stopped eating?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greta_Thunberg#Life

Thunberg says she first heard about climate change in 2011, when she was 8 years old, and could not understand why so little was being done about it.[14] Three years later she became depressed, lethargic, and stopped talking as well as eating, and eventually was diagnosed with Asperger syndrome,[15]obsessivecompulsive disorder (OCD),[15] and selective mutism.

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I thought she has aspergers, not autism
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ThyCorndog posted...

I thought she has aspergers, not autism

They were collapsed into the same thing a few years back.
https://www.autismspeaks.org/types-autism-what-asperger-syndrome

Asperger syndrome, or Aspergers, is a previously used diagnosis on the autism spectrum. In 2013, it became part of one umbrella diagnosis of autism spectrum disorder (ASD) in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders 5 (DSM-5).

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asperger's doesn't affect your intelligence the way higher end autism does though. so pointing out that she's "autistic" as having something to do with her being more susceptible to "propaganda" than someone without her condition is not only irrelevant, but seemingly disingenuous
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ThyCorndog posted...

asperger's doesn't affect your intelligence the way higher end autism does though. so pointing out that she's "autistic" as having something to do with her being more susceptible to "propaganda" than someone without her condition is not only irrelevant, but seemingly disingenuous

She was 8, she was exposed to climate change science, and whatever happened it led to her stopping eating. I consider that, if not a factor of her conditions, a failure on her parents part to reassure a small child that they weren't literally going to die from the end of the world. If you think the autism had nothing to do with it, then fine. Her parents still failed to protect her.

EDIT: and to clarify, I use the term propaganda (even though I believe and support the climate change movement) because the actual hard science wouldn't send an 8 year old into a depressive spiral, so I'm taking what I think is a reasonable leap that what led her down that path was the "if we don't act NOW we're doomed" headlines.

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I thought opera ladies were fatsos... looney tunes like to me
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s0nicfan posted...

She's the one that fed her autistic (literally, mods) daughter so much propaganda that she literally stopped eating?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greta_Thunberg#Life

Thunberg says she first heard about climate change in 2011, when she was 8 years old, and could not understand why so little was being done about it.[14] Three years later she became depressed, lethargic, and stopped talking as well as eating, and eventually was diagnosed with Asperger syndrome,[15]obsessivecompulsive disorder (OCD),[15] and selective mutism.

people with aspergers tend to be very sensitive. and certain things can affect their mood more than normal people

SquantoZ posted...

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@s0nicfan what are your thoughts on climate change, buddy?
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s0nicfan posted...

propaganda

come on
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Why are Americans talking about her parents being bad when they defend physical abuse of children?

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FF_Redux posted...

Why are Americans talking about her parents being bad when they defend physical abuse of children?

because it hurts their brains to consider that the propaganda that corporate-operated conservative media sources spoonfed them for years was a lie designed to hurt them and enrich those lying to them
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pls posted...

@s0nicfan what are your thoughts on climate change, buddy?

I think it's happening, it is absolutely impacted by man, and most of the proposals that have revolved around changes to individual habits like straws and plastic bags are a deflection from the reality that manufacturing is at the center of it.

I also happen to think that the media has been sensationalising it for cheap clicks, and that throwing an autistic girl out in front of the world media to the point where she's skipping school is less about seriously addressing climate change and more about creating heroes and villains.

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Sackgurl posted...

because it hurts their brains to consider that the propaganda that corporate-operated conservative media sources spoonfed them for years was a lie designed to hurt them and enrich those lying to them

Sackgurl posted...

come on

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ThyCorndog posted...

asperger's doesn't affect your intelligence the way higher end autism does though. so pointing out that she's "autistic" as having something to do with her being more susceptible to "propaganda" than someone without her condition is not only irrelevant, but seemingly disingenuous

I've been around people with autism and Asperger's both seem to have problems emotionally which definitely effects your intelligence, I remember one kid would absolutely not accept a loss and would try to claim he won whatever activity he was doing no matter what the results clearly showed.

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you all with a hate boner for this girl is really shameful and disgusting.

shes done more in her childhood than you haters have in your entire lives.
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DeadBankerDream posted...

"She is the mother of climate activist Greta Thunberg, who convinced her to give up her international opera career due to the environmental impact of aviation.[1]"

o_O

What's so o_O about that?
It's better than demanding someone else solve the problem.

s0nicfan posted...

throwing an autistic girl out in front of the world media to the point where she's skipping school is less about seriously addressing climate change and more about creating heroes and villains.

Idk it feels like you are concern trolling about this tbqh
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I just don't like people reacting to her emotions as if it means anything.

I'm sorry, you just won't sway me with emotional pleas without hard evidence.

Climate change is real, we definitely have a carbon footprint impact on it. I just don't think we are the only reason why.

And the ones championing her are usually celebrities whose carbon footprint in one week is equivalent to what I add in year are the real hypocrites.

They should eliminate their yachts and private jets before telling regular people what to do.

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The_Ivory_Man posted...

ThyCorndog posted...

asperger's doesn't affect your intelligence the way higher end autism does though. so pointing out that she's "autistic" as having something to do with her being more susceptible to "propaganda" than someone without her condition is not only irrelevant, but seemingly disingenuous

I've been around people with autism and Asperger's both seem to have problems emotionally which definitely effects your intelligence, I remember one kid would absolutely not accept a loss and would try to claim he won whatever activity he was doing no matter what the results clearly showed.

Asperger's is a type of autism -- in fact, the term "Asperger's" has fallen out of favour, and now the term is "high-functioning autism."
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Remember that climate change deniers are using the manufactured outrage against Greta Thunberg in order to distract from climate change.
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Sorry, couldn't resist.
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pls posted...

Idk it feels like you are concern trolling about this tbqh

Then interpret what I've said less from the perspective of concerns about a child and more from the jaded cynicism of somebody that sees the media taking advantage of a scared child to drum up more profits.

I swear, even when I agree with the core problem being addressed, it's like if I don't stand up and applaud every single aspect of it people just immediately assume it must be trolling.

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Imagine concern trolling about the emotional aspect of the situation. OBVIOUSLY people with a vested interest in the future of the species can get emotional given the weight of the available evidence. The urgency is real. Sometimes you need someone who is emotional to relay the sense of urgency to politicians who are otherwise stagnant and asleep behind the wheel.

I'm like 95% sure that anyone who calls out her health or her emotions is just concern trolling and doesn't legitimately believe we have a duty to respond to climate change with swiftness and urgency.

This includes individual changes, be it from being more conscious consumers to knowing that the situation is urgent enough to warrant electing better leaders.
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IShall_Run_Amok posted...

Remember that climate change deniers are using the manufactured outrage against Greta Thunberg in order to distract from climate change.

Passion without offering any suggestion beyond "revert to pre-industrial society" isn't very useful.

s0nicfan posted...

pls posted...

Idk it feels like you are concern trolling about this tbqh

Then interpret what I've said less from the perspective of concerns about a child and more from the jaded cynicism of somebody that sees the media taking advantage of a scared child to drum up more profits.

I swear, even when I agree with the core problem being addressed, it's like if I don't stand up and applaud every single aspect of it people just immediately assume it must be trolling.

The media is "taking advantage" of her by giving her the opportunity to speak and bring more attention to the issue? Come on now.

Greta Thunberg probably singlehandedly moved tens of millions of more people to be more committed to acting against climate change. Be it in the form of donations to organizations that plant trees, commitment to voting, lobbying, changing habits, etc.

Why are you zeroing in on whether or not some media makes some ad revenue because of their coverage of her?
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You done fabricating the reason you're just going to ignore anything I've said that's valid? Or do you have a few more paragraphs to go?

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s0nicfan posted...

I swear, even when I agree with the core problem being addressed, it's like if I don't stand up and applaud every single aspect of it people just immediately assume it must be trolling.

mostly because we exist in an environment where many who are denying it are echoing your criticisms and using them as a way to dismiss the issue entirely

is it weird that a little girl is lecturing countries that are not cutting their emissions on them not cutting their emissions? yes

is it weirder that countries are not cutting their emissions in the face of mountains of evidence that if they don't they will create water shortages? yes

but when you criticize one and not the other you align yourself with those who deny that it's happening, and they deny it because they're paid to by companies who would lose profit if we cut emissions
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To what extent is Greta profitable for media companies? As compared with what they'd otherwise be covering or the panel "debate" on the issue they might have aired instead? Did more people watch CNN last week?
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Literally nothing you said is valid though. She's old enough to understand the consequences of not acting as a species. And just because she happened to say something at the right place and time so that it resonates with millions and she becomes the face of a movement doesn't mean she was somehow brainwashed or being taken advantage of.

Lord knows how many older activists people ignored up until now.
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Also, kinda weird that someone who routinely bashes Tesla for its profitability issues is suddenly concerned with media companies making too much profit from Greta's appearances.

HMMMMMM
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She's extremely profitable for Fox News since she gives the grown adults who work there an excuse to attack a child, which in turn causes their viewership to soar cause there's nothing a Republican loves more than child bashing.
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i mean really if we're talking about profit, it's the corporations denying it that are making the big money off the situation, not the ones sharing the message that it's true
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Sackgurl posted...

mostly because we exist in an environment where many who are denying it are echoing your criticisms and using them as a way to dismiss the issue entirely

I mean, fair enough, but I also see people hyper focusing on what she is saying because it totally avoids addressing the real problem which is how do we make China and India comply without completely collapsing the first world given that whether it's because we buy their crap or not, they are the ones that will actually have to change to reduce our carbon footprint to acceptable levels.

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JACKBUTTMOMMY posted...

Id love to see the hard evidence of her being indoctrinated (I.e. Taught science) from her parents. From what evidence I have seen its been the other way around.

i dont think they're allowed to post pictures of their hands reaching in their own asshole on this website

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s0nicfan posted...

Sackgurl posted...

mostly because we exist in an environment where many who are denying it are echoing your criticisms and using them as a way to dismiss the issue entirely

I mean, fair enough, but I also see people hyper focusing on what she is saying because it totally avoids addressing the real problem which is how do we make China and India comply without completely collapsing the first world given that whether it's because we buy their crap or not, they are the ones that will actually have to change to reduce our carbon footprint to acceptable levels.

America, Mexico, Canada, and Europe getting on board would make a huge dent in global emissions. And it would rally India and China even more to get on board.
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pls posted...

Also, kinda weird that someone who routinely bashes Tesla for its profitability issues is suddenly concerned with media companies making too much profit from Greta's appearances.

HMMMMMM

I literally only brought that up in one topic, specifically about Tesla, and wasn't that like a year ago? What the fuck is wrong with you?

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s0nicfan posted...

pls posted...

Also, kinda weird that someone who routinely bashes Tesla for its profitability issues is suddenly concerned with media companies making too much profit from Greta's appearances.

HMMMMMM

I literally only brought that up in one topic, specifically about Tesla, and wasn't that like a year ago? What the fuck is wrong with you?

lol I knew you'd bite.
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pls posted...

America, Mexico, Canada, and Europe getting on board would make a huge dent in global emissions. And it would rally India and China even more to get on board.

I don't see how it would rally those countries. I think it fundamentally misunderstands how China operates to assume that they would do anything to make a dent in their growth just because other countries were all doing it.

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Imagine thinking every single person that gets in the spotlight doesn't have some kind of connection
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Questionmarktarius posted...

IShall_Run_Amok posted...

Remember that climate change deniers are using the manufactured outrage against Greta Thunberg in order to distract from climate change.

Passion without offering any suggestion beyond "revert to pre-industrial society" isn't very useful.

Remember that climate change deniers are using the manufactured outrage against Greta Thunberg in order to distract from climate change.
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s0nicfan posted...

pls posted...

America, Mexico, Canada, and Europe getting on board would make a huge dent in global emissions. And it would rally India and China even more to get on board.

I don't see how it would rally those countries. I think it fundamentally misunderstands how China operates to assume that they would do anything to make a dent in their growth just because other countries were all doing it.

If America mobilizes a war-time effort to make the entire grid smart and renewable, same with transportation and industry in general, what makes you think people won't be conscious about China's pollution and enact market pressure on them to make their shit green and sustainable?

And China is doing stuff in this regard, even if it's not yet at a giant scale. They're not ignoring the problem like Trump is.
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Isn't "hoping companies' cynical financial self-interest will align with our collective interest in avoiding disastrous climate change" the conservative approach to the issue?
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pls posted...

They're not ignoring the problem like Trump is.

You understand the USA is among the lowest in carbon emissions in the world, right?

I am not defending Trump, but he isn't the one who has the final say in how companies handle their emissions. Compared to countries like China and India who have practically zero rules and regulations.
pls posted...

what makes you think people won't be conscious about China's pollution and enact market pressure on them to make their shit green and sustainable?

China's pollution has been well documented for decades. I remember reading textbooks over 20 years ago with pictures of China's smog. They don't care because their GDP and economy trumps the environment.

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Meanwhile, in China
https://www.citylab.com/transportation/2018/05/how-china-charged-into-the-electric-bus-revolution/559571/
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