Current Events > Mario & Luigi series may be dead: Alphadream files for bankruptcy.

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https://www.nintendoenthusiast.com/2019/10/02/alphadream-developer-of-mario-luigi-files-for-bankruptcy/

This is really sad to hear. Not only for loss of jobs but we no longer have a Mario RPG series. Maybe this means IntSys will finally get off their high horse and bring Paper Mario back to its glory days...but who knows.
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The Mario & Luigi licence will live on though. Either it'll be developed in house or to the next highest bidder.

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I guess that means the remakes are over. That's too bad, they were really good remakes.
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Well shit. I honestly liked the Mario & Luigi series over the Paper Mario series. M&L with Yoko Shimomura had way better music too.
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That's sad. Game industry seems brutal. Quality doesn't guarantee financial success, which f***ing sucks
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GiftedACIII posted...

Well shit. I honestly liked the Mario & Luigi series over the Paper Mario series. M&L with Yoko Shimomura had way better music too.

I'd honestly agree with you there on the music. Only Paper Mario game that I truly love the music for is 64. TTYD and Super had an odd style, Sticker Star had a specific style some may not like (jazz), and Color Splash was more...generic-ish?
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konokonohamaru posted...

That's sad. Game industry seems brutal. Quality doesn't guarantee financial success, which f***ing sucks

This.
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So much for a Partners in Time remake...
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I don't really understand. I was under the impression that companies like this were just a fancy way of organizing Nintendo employees.

Bat178 posted...

So much for a Partners in Time remake...

I played that game endlessly as a child and I can immediately think of things that could be expanded upon in it...
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The BiS remake was pretty godawful
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Doe posted...

I don't really understand. I was under the impression that companies like this were just a fancy way of organizing Nintendo employees.

Bat178 posted...

So much for a Partners in Time remake...

I played that game endlessly as a child and I can immediately think of things that could be expanded upon in it...

Nintendo didn't actually own Alphadream.
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This is likely part of the reason:

http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2019/02/mario_and_luigi_bowsers_inside_story_plus_bowser_jr_s_journey_is_one_of_the_worst-selling_mario_games_to_date

Jesus. How does a Mario title sell THAT poorly?

does this mean we can get good paper mario again?
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Super Slash posted...

This is likely part of the reason:

http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2019/02/mario_and_luigi_bowsers_inside_story_plus_bowser_jr_s_journey_is_one_of_the_worst-selling_mario_games_to_date

Jesus. How does a Mario title sell THAT poorly?

It came out right at the end of the 3DS's life, and was a remake of a game that didn't need a remake and was backwards compatible with the 3DS already.
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This is sad. I always tell people it's a better series than Paper Mario for a variety of reasons, mainly due to a longer consistent output of quality. At least their last release got to be a remake of their best game :(

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PiOverlord posted...

mainly due to a longer consistent output of quality

?

there are just as many good paper mario games as there are M&L games
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PiOverlord posted...

This is sad. I always tell people it's a better series than Paper Mario for a variety of reasons, mainly due to a longer consistent output of quality. At least their last release got to be a remake of their best game :(

That game didn't need a remake though. They should of fixed up what is generally considered the worst game, Partners in Time.
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Bat178 posted...

Super Slash posted...

This is likely part of the reason:

http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2019/02/mario_and_luigi_bowsers_inside_story_plus_bowser_jr_s_journey_is_one_of_the_worst-selling_mario_games_to_date

Jesus. How does a Mario title sell THAT poorly?

It came out right at the end of the 3DS's life, and was a remake of a game that didn't need a remake and was backwards compatible with the 3DS already.

Yeah, both situations made for a really bad combo. Anyone who hasn't had a DS and wanted to play Bowser's Inside Story has likely already played it on the 3DS. Superstar Saga at least made sense even though it was another game that didn't need remaking, since you couldn't normally play it on a 3DS (I believe it was an ambassador title?).
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Bat178 posted...

That game didn't need a remake though. They should of fixed up what is generally considered the worst game, Partners in Time.

Sure, but it seems if it did get a remake, no one would have played it anyways. Was hoping PiT would get the Switch remake.

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Damn those games sold bad but yet I've never seen them on clearance like I did for Metroid Federation Force or Codename: STEAM
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Darmik posted...

Damn those games sold bad but yet I've never seen them on clearance like I did for Metroid Federation Force or Codename: STEAM

I'm guessing games with the Mario name don't typically go on sale.
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What are they gonna do with the Tomato Adventure IP, too?
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Bat178 posted...

What are they gonna do with the Tomato Adventure IP, too?

Hm, not sure.
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lol I knew the Mario & Luigi games were through, at least for now anyway, considering how poorly they were selling. I was doubtful they would make new entries and even more remakes. Nintendo should have gave them a little more of a budget for more dev time, had them improved the games and port the two remakes that came out recently to the Switch instead of the 3DS to try and get more sales.
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Number090684 posted...

lol I knew the Mario & Luigi games were through, at least for now anyway, considering how poorly they were selling. I was doubtful they would make new entries and even more remakes. Nintendo should have gave them a little more of a budget for more dev time, had them improved the games and port the two remakes that came out recently to the Switch instead of the 3DS to try and get more sales.

They shouldn't have bothered with remaking Bowser's Inside Story to begin with. Paper Jam was going in the wrong direction for the series, though, as it went for the stale NSMB/post-SPM Paper Mario style with generic settings and no OCs.
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I wonder if putting out cheap remakes on the 3DS was a Nintendo or Alphadream decision.

If they ported to both or Switch I wonder if they'd be okay.
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Bat178 posted...

They shouldn't have bothered with remaking Bowser's Inside Story to begin with. Paper Jam was going in the wrong direction for the series, though, as it went for the stale NSMB/post-Super Paper Mario Paper Mario style with generic settings and no OCs.

Yeah, given Mario & Luigi's penchant for more in-depth stories and OC villains, I was expecting the game to throw in a brand new villain to stop...but no. It ended with fighting Bowser, having to rescue Peach. ...No mystery at all. And felt like one of the shortest games in the series. Paper Jam felt like a big disappointment in what was supposed to be a pretty cool crossover.
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Darmik posted...

I wonder if putting out cheap remakes on the 3DS was a Nintendo or Alphadream decision.

If they ported to both or Switch I wonder if they'd be okay.

Literally nobody was asking for a remake of Bowser's Inside Story. Superstar Saga got a pass since it was on GBA, which isn't backwards compatible with the 3DS, but Bowser's Inside Story was good enough as it is and was already backwards compatible with the 3DS. Partners in Time needed a remake much more than it.
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BiS got a remake first because many of its mechanics are reliant on dual screen
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According to a source for Game Informer, Nintendo axed all future 3DS plans because of the BIS remake's failure: https://twitter.com/imranzomg/status/1179257937187033089
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Bat178 posted...

Number090684 posted...

lol I knew the Mario & Luigi games were through, at least for now anyway, considering how poorly they were selling. I was doubtful they would make new entries and even more remakes. Nintendo should have gave them a little more of a budget for more dev time, had them improve the games and port the two remakes that came out recently to the Switch instead of the 3DS to try and get more sales.

They shouldn't have bothered with remaking Bowser's Inside Story to begin with. Paper Jam was going in the wrong direction for the series, though, as it went for the stale NSMB/post-SPM Paper Mario style with generic settings and no OCs.

They were probably banking on BiS previous success and how it was one of the best selling M&L games, hoping they could replicate it with the remake, but it backfired. I feel bad for the people who were also waiting for a Partners in Time remake to complete the trilogy as far as remakes were concerned.
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Bat178 posted...

According to a source for Game Informer, Nintendo axed all future 3DS plans because of the BIS remake's failure: https://twitter.com/imranzomg/status/1179257937187033089

Woah. Well I do hope that means that at least some of the projects that were underway make it onto the Switch anyway.
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Bat178 posted...

According to a source for Game Informer, Nintendo axed all future 3DS plans because of the BIS remake's failure: https://twitter.com/imranzomg/status/1179257937187033089

Jesus. Not very often that you hear a game kill both the developer and an entire platform.
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I wonder what the moron in charge of paper Mario series will say now. When they were asked if the series would ever go back to its roots they said something like "M&L is the Mario rpg series. We will continue to innovate with PM. There can't be two active Mario rpg series."

Well now there won't be. All they have to do is create a real sequel to TTYD and the fans would actually return. But nope. Probably gonna make something stupid af again instead.

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Number090684 posted...

Bat178 posted...

According to a source for Game Informer, Nintendo axed all future 3DS plans because of the BIS remake's failure: https://twitter.com/imranzomg/status/1179257937187033089

Woah. Well I do hope that means that at least some of the projects that were underway make it onto the Switch anyway.

No doubt they will.
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looks like they're a gammadream now

Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars 2 confirmed!
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Conspiracy Time!
I wonder if Nintendo told Alpha they no longer want them making original characters and unique stories like they used to (since we saw that shit take over the paper Mario series and you could see it creeping its way into Paper Jam) and Alpha disagreed, causing a rift between the two.
Nintendo didn't want them to continue making new ones, so AD pitched the idea of remaking SS and BIS to circumvent that demand. They didn't sell great, especially the latter, and with the creative differences Nintendo wasn't willing to help them out financially if they needed it.

If that were the case, sounds like M&L was doomed either way due to Ninty's meddling?
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Apparently BISDX did so poorly that Nintendo axed all other plans for 3DS games.

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I'm hoping there's at least one young developer at Nintendo who grew up with the first two Paper Mario games that has the ambition to continue the franchise as it should have been. And hopefully Nintendo will give them that chance now.
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i really don't understand why they thought remaking a game for a basically dead handheld that is still backwards compatible with the original game was a good idea
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