Current Events > The commies actually care about the environment. The right doesn't.

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God fucking dammit. The one side that cares about the environment, and it's the fucking commies and socialists.

Climate change just so happens to be the main political issue I care about. <______<

And the fucking conservatives don't give a single shit about actually addressing it, content instead with just equating Greta Thunberg to that Nazi propaganda girl.
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it shouldn't be a partisan issue. it's 100% the conservative's faults for not caring. they could drop the partisan bullshit and help save the planet with everyone else if they wanted to
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Fabricate problem
Issue mandatory tax to fix fabricated problem

So much caring.
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The Red Planet was Earth all along!
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Ok
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Probably because capitalism is seen as the major factor promoting man made climate change.

Consider why.
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The right's old white rich CEO god kings won't make as much money if they're not allowed fuck up the environment

HypnoCoosh posted...

Fabricate problem
Issue mandatory tax to fix fabricated problem

So much caring.

Fuck off dude, this is exactly what I mean
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Rexdragon125 posted...

The right's old white rich CEO god kings won't make as much money if they're not allowed fuck up the environment

Tell me about Saudi Arabia'a old brown rich CEO god kings

Why do you have to fuck up your good position by bringing race into it dude
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Good ol' US military industrial complex.
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my take is that very few people truly give a shit about climate change, it's just the slacktivist cause de jour

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Romulox28 posted...

my take is that very few people truly give a shit about climate change, it's just the slacktivist cause de jour

Yeah but which side is saying "Yo, let's raise a few trillion at least so we can invest it into cleaning up this mess?"
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pls posted...

Rexdragon125 posted...

The right's old white rich CEO god kings won't make as much money if they're not allowed fuck up the environment

Tell me about Saudi Arabia'a old brown rich CEO god kings

Why do you have to fuck up your good position by bringing race into it dude

@Rexdragon125 where you at buddy?
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The most polluted and deadly lakes in the world are located in Russia thanks to the Russian communist
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China doesnt care about the environment.

CrimsonRage posted...

le enlightened centrism

Imagine actually unironically calling something "enlightened centrism" as if that is anything but a sleazy attempt to radicalize someone who would otherwise want some nuance
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Medzzz posted...

The most polluted and deadly lakes in the world are located in Russia thanks to the Russian communist

Didnt the Soviets make lakes with nuclear bombs? Lakes that are still radioactive to this day?
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The commies also come with other crazy ideas that make them unsupportable. If you want me to support anyone outside of the establishment and center cut the insane ideas such as the Green New Deal and the identitarianism.
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pls posted...

pls posted...

Rexdragon125 posted...

The right's old white rich CEO god kings won't make as much money if they're not allowed fuck up the environment

Tell me about Saudi Arabia'a old brown rich CEO god kings

Why do you have to fuck up your good position by bringing race into it dude

@Rexdragon125 where you at buddy?

doing this makes it seem like you care a lot more about race than he does
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pls posted...

Romulox28 posted...

my take is that very few people truly give a shit about climate change, it's just the slacktivist cause de jour

Yeah but which side is saying "Yo, let's raise a few trillion at least so we can invest it into cleaning up this mess?"

Is it raise as in a voluntary fundraiser...

Or seize it?

Therein lies why that appeals to communists and irks capitalists.

Proudclad continuing to call everyone on the left communist.
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Plenty of conservatives love the environment. Why do you think so many live in the country and partake in outdoor recreation?

They just don't like the government.

CrimsonRage posted...

Romulox28 posted...

my take is that very few people truly give a shit about climate change, it's just the slacktivist cause de jour

le enlightened centrism

one side is clearly doing more to combat it and tons of people care deeply, have you seen the protests?

but both sides i guess

"I care, so long as I don't have to do anything more that complain about the problem and maybe give up something stupid like plastic straws."

My attitude isn't partisan. It's based on a lifetime in non-profit fundraising. You get a lot of support for the idea, then note the road runner shaped cloud that disappears into nothing when the work starts. My mom found a lot of support in meetings when fundraising was her job, but at the activity the only people there were welfare recipients there for the free meal that came with the work.

I said it yesterday and I'll repeat myself: if the energy and manpower spent protesting was put into a measurable clean-up effort, we'd have far fewer cities known for shit in the streets. But protesting is more fun and doesn't involve touching garbage, so guess what we get and how little actually gets done.
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Phewfus posted...

Plenty of conservatives love the environment. Why do you think so many live in the country and partake in outdoor recreation?

They just don't like the government.

Surely the free market will fix it. Ethical consumers would rather do hours of research and pay top dollar to purchase environmentally sustainable goods. It's worked for thousands of years, why would communists force the government to intervene when corporations and governments are killing the planet. Don't they know that will just create inefficiency? No company would ever use up so much of a natural resource that it disappears, that just doesn't make business sense.

Parody aside, there are solutions to these problems and conservatives don't even want to address them. We can have strict regulations, market solutions (carbon tax, vouchers, tax breaks/subsidies, et cetera), promote more sustainable industries, do more research into long term sustainability, and more. But, the time to do that has passed. It's not just that conservatives won't address climate change, they won't address almost any environmental issue unless it becomes a problem that directly affects them. Conservatism is the party of addressing the symptom, not the disease. They would rather waste money fixing problems they've created than use money proactively to avoid problems.
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lightwarrior78 posted...

I said it yesterday and I'll repeat myself: if the energy and manpower spent protesting was put into a measurable clean-up effort,

Do you think removing carbon from the atmosphere is as simple as picking trash up off the street?
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shockthemonkey posted...

Antifar posted...

Consider why.

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Another thing that is ironic is that renewable energy can be much more decentralized than what we have now, which means more capability of living off the grid / as a small community.

You would think the right would appreciate this since it means less need to be beholden to the state.
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pls posted...

The commies actually care about the environment.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aral_Sea
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It's not too surprising though: climate change is a perfect example of something where it's in no specific person's best interest to do anything about it. You'd get support for something like "Clean up the specific lake that our cabins are on" but not "Reduce pollution a little bit everywhere".

FrozenXylophone posted...

Therein lies why that appeals to communists

This still is nonsensical. Socialists aren't at a shortage for things to spend the money they seize on. The fact that they choose the environment still means they find it important.
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Pukelid posted...

doing this makes it seem like you care a lot more about race than he does

Yeah I was mainly thinking about the US GOP

I'm actually appalled that Proudclad said something that was even mildly intelligent
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AwesomeToTheMAX posted...

I'm actually appalled that Proudclad said something that was even mildly intelligent

Yeah I'm surprised to agree with him on climate change

if you want to fix the enviromental situation you need to fix the tragedy of the commons situation

HypnoCoosh posted...

Fabricate problem
Issue mandatory tax to fix fabricated problem

So much caring.

if by fix you mean create more bureaucracies that do nothing but demand more money
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@Antifar
@Rexdragon125

Recommend me some books
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Naomi Klein is good on this subject.
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Antifar posted...

Naomi Klein is good on this subject.

Speak of the devil

https://imgur.com/1iFFWc9
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This is a really bad take, dude.

The commies are just looking for an excuse to implement their ideology and their using the environment as a front.

coh posted...

This is a really bad take, dude.

Which mainstream R candidate or pundit comes even close to matching Bernie's commitment on the climate? Or Biden's. Which side is posting bullshit about Greta Thunberg all over the internet? Which side hates EVs and solar?
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coh posted...

The commies are just looking for an excuse to implement their ideology and their using the environment as a front.

So why doesn't the right steal that from them by making climate change their #1 issue?
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I'm sure you can find some schlubs amongst the commues who don't care if humanity dies out, TC.

pls posted...

coh posted...

The commies are just looking for an excuse to implement their ideology and their using the environment as a front.

So why doesn't the right steal that from them by making climate change their #1 issue?

I mean, its very likely that in a world wherein everyone starts taking climate change seriously, the right will attempt to utilize it to further their ends. That's where the theoretical 'eco-fascism' comes from.
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pls posted...

coh posted...

The commies are just looking for an excuse to implement their ideology and their using the environment as a front.

So why doesn't the right steal that from them by making climate change their #1 issue?

strong distrust of central government as a poster iterated earlier

rising distrust in corporate power though, curtailing of which is a prerequisite for meaningful environmental reform, but it'll take some time to bloom, their current animosity being harbored towards tech and wall street

they often live in rural areas, so the state of the enviroment looks fine to many of them, but urban conservatives are beginning to grumble about the lack of sustainability in urban planning, which offers a bridging point with environmentalists on the left if they would just get over themselves about engaging with perceived enemes
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About 100 pages into Naomi Klein's This Changes Everything: Capitalism vs The Climate

It's really good so far and I like the nuanced take on where the right and the left have it wrong. And it does a really good job of putting market economics into perspective wrt how it can lock in really shitty practices.

Some things are known to be wrong now five years after the book was published (like how that one solar company in Toronto is actually booming rather than shutting down) but the point she was making about the World Trade Organization being able to shut down preference for locally-produced goods and services is terrifying.

Had to put it down since it was well past my bed time but I'll prolly finish it today. Then I'll take another pass through it to take notes and look at the citations.

@Balrog0 book reading thread!
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saw the shock doctrine years ago but i have yet to read klein's writings

made a note to myself to check it out
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why does it surprise you that the side that isn't primarily concerned with protecting the interests of large corporations is concerned with protecting the environment from the actions of large corporations
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Antifar posted...

lightwarrior78 posted...

I said it yesterday and I'll repeat myself: if the energy and manpower spent protesting was put into a measurable clean-up effort,

Do you think removing carbon from the atmosphere is as simple as picking trash up off the street?

No, but you miss the point: it's easy to sit in moral judgement of others while doing nothing else. It's a lot harder to do something that would enable you to say "I did this really hard task to do my part, so can you." Why should I or someone else think you really care about these issues if you're stuck at the "why is no one doing anything" stage like you think if you yell long enough, all problems will be solved without your having to lift a finger?
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lightwarrior78 posted...

it's easy to sit in moral judgement of others while doing nothing else

isn't that what you are doing right now

the message here is that we need action on the scale of governments. the protesters are hoping to make sure you vote for candidates who will take that action and not ones who deny anything is happening at all
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