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SwayM
09/12/19 8:05:29 AM
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I say fake outreach because no actual fan of the series can legitimately tell me they would rather have a rushed game with hundreds of hours of content crammed, stuck in development hell for years and years and years.

Instead of what is clearly a devotion to not only telling the original story and getting it out in time but greatly expanding on it in every way possible.

As a fan my worry is that shit would get cut and not make the transition. When clearly that is not the case right now.

Another underrated advantage of it being episodic is that not only do they get a breather between episodes to respond to any criticism and improve it further. But it also gives the game multiple lives. Look at Kingdom Hearts 3. 14 years of hype and anticipation all forgotten within like a month. Aint no one even talking about that game anymore.
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ultimate reaver
09/12/19 8:06:15 AM
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Looks like modern square trash garbage. Throw it the fuck out and get me something better

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Dingydang166
09/12/19 8:08:27 AM
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Yeah I dunno either. It really is going to depend on the finished product though. If its like 40 bux and the game is 5 hours, yeah I am going to be a little salty.

But if its like a 40-60 game all about Midgar, then I will be a very happy man. Midgar deserves its own game tbh.
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codey
09/12/19 8:09:06 AM
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Why is the alternative to not episodic a rushed game?

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SwayM
09/12/19 8:24:48 AM
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Dingydang166 posted...
Yeah I dunno either. It really is going to depend on the finished product though. If its like 40 bux and the game is 5 hours, yeah I am going to be a little salty.

But if its like a 40-60 game all about Midgar, then I will be a very happy man. Midgar deserves its own game tbh.


Agreed.

codey posted...
Why is the alternative to not episodic a rushed game?


If you think theres a world where they recreate the entirety of FF7 in the scope and scale theyre intending and its a) not stuck in development hell for how many extra years, or 2) A shit ton of content is left on the cutting room floor just to make deadlines

Idk what to tell you man. I think theres a collective ignorance on how difficult video game development is and no game is made by just the snap of a finger. Good things take time.
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codey
09/12/19 8:28:56 AM
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SwayM posted...
Agreed.

If you think theres a world where they recreate the entirety of FF7 in the scope and scale theyre intending and its a) not stuck in development hell for how many extra years, or 2) A shit ton of content is left on the cutting room floor just to make deadlines

Idk what to tell you man. I think theres a collective ignorance on how difficult video game development is and no game is made by just the snap of a finger. Good things take time.


We're getting the game around 25 years after the original came out, I'm totally fine with waiting a little longer and getting it all at once.

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Solar_Crimson
09/12/19 8:30:13 AM
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SwayM posted...
a rushed game with hundreds of hours of content crammed, stuck in development hell for years and years and years.

How is that a rushed game?
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SwayM
09/12/19 8:32:53 AM
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codey posted...
SwayM posted...
Agreed.

If you think theres a world where they recreate the entirety of FF7 in the scope and scale theyre intending and its a) not stuck in development hell for how many extra years, or 2) A shit ton of content is left on the cutting room floor just to make deadlines

Idk what to tell you man. I think theres a collective ignorance on how difficult video game development is and no game is made by just the snap of a finger. Good things take time.


We're getting the game around 25 years after the original came out, I'm totally fine with waiting a little longer and getting it all at once.


I would much rather have a large chunk of it come out far sooner as its own game, proof of concept and the ability to critique it and possibly improve the later via reviews.
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SwayM
09/12/19 8:34:02 AM
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Solar_Crimson posted...
SwayM posted...
a rushed game with hundreds of hours of content crammed, stuck in development hell for years and years and years.

How is that a rushed game?


Your team is spread thinner and working on a shit ton more content.

You dont think things get messy at that point?
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Solar_Crimson
09/12/19 8:46:50 AM
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SwayM posted...
Solar_Crimson posted...
SwayM posted...
a rushed game with hundreds of hours of content crammed, stuck in development hell for years and years and years.

How is that a rushed game?


Your team is spread thinner and working on a shit ton more content.

You dont think things get messy at that point?

That's not rushing the game, though.
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AlisLandale
09/12/19 8:51:16 AM
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The game will most likely not be good. Not by any reasonably metric that isnt clouded by the typical AAA fanboy hype.

And being split episodically is only one of several symptoms that look bad when together.

Like, a cough is unpleasant. But when you include a fever, a rash, and nadeau, its probably a sign that youve got something >_>
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AlisLandale
09/12/19 8:51:16 AM
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The game will most likely not be good. Not by any reasonably metric that isnt clouded by the typical AAA fanboy hype.

And being split episodically is only one of several symptoms that look bad when together.

Like, a cough is unpleasant. But when you include a fever, a rash, and nadeau, its probably a sign that youve got something >_>
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luigi13579
09/12/19 8:54:13 AM
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If it's a good game and delivers enough content for the price, then it won't bother me. We'll see how it turns out.
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DezDroppedFreak
09/12/19 8:54:24 AM
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codey posted...
We're getting the game around 25 years after the original came out, I'm totally fine with waiting a little longer and getting it all at once.
You probably wouldnt get it because of the scope of the game is one of the points being brought up

aka it would never come out

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FaytlessHearts
09/12/19 8:55:19 AM
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lmfao @ episodic ff7remake.

I'm good. Get your full game in 2030

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codey
09/12/19 8:56:47 AM
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DezDroppedFreak posted...
You probably wouldnt get it because of the scope of the game is one of the points being brought up

aka it would never come out


If the game releases all at once instead of episodically it would still logically come out when the final episode comes out.

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DocDelicious
09/12/19 9:02:57 AM
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It's the sole reason I'm not buying it.

I hope for other fan's sake that it isn't just a gutted cash grab like I believe it's going to be, and I hope it performs well enough for Squeenix that they don't cancel the final episode(s), but I will not be participating.
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Squall28
09/12/19 9:03:35 AM
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"fake"? People don't want to pay full price for a part of a game. Period.

Knowing new Square, the new content is going to be garbage filler quests. They're just padding the episodes. The original game was long enough.
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Lord_Wombat
09/12/19 9:08:12 AM
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SwayM posted...
If you think theres a world where they recreate the entirety of FF7 in the scope and scale theyre intending and its a) not stuck in development hell for how many extra years, or 2) A shit ton of content is left on the cutting room floor just to make deadlines

It's been years... they've had more than enough time.

But you already knew that.
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masterpug53
09/12/19 9:11:07 AM
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My biggest concern after the last trailer was that an episodic FF7 will do for gaming what The Hobbit did for movie trilogies.
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marc55
09/12/19 9:20:40 AM
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i have no problems with episodic games
i played . hack games and i liked them
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MC_BatCommander
09/12/19 9:23:39 AM
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If being a real fan means buying an incomplete remake then you enjoy being a real fan.

I'll buy the whole thing when it's all finally done in 2030
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thanosibe
09/12/19 9:26:20 AM
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Episodic or not it was/is in development hell. This games like a decade in the making. If anything that it is episodic might be why its been in developmental hell.

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dummy420
09/12/19 9:27:09 AM
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2040 is the more likely chance for the complete version with the current square release pacing.
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Twin3Turbo
09/12/19 9:34:50 AM
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This is pretty much the same point I've been making.

If it were simply a re-skin of the game or a remaster the way FF8 was done recently, then yeah I'd be fully on board with the other people that won't buy the game because they are releasing it episodically.

However, given everything we have seen, it appears that they are recreating the game from the ground up, adding and/or expanding upon many different aspects in the game that aren't in the original. That takes far more time and money. What they appear to be giving us compared to the original appears to be the same in story only. Everything else seems to be built from scratch. It would take forever for it to come out if they did the entire game in one go, and I would imagine that it would NEVER come out if people expected them to do that to the entire game but still only pay $60 for it. I highly doubt it would be financially feasible

Now, whether the game will suck or not, I can't blame anyone for being skeptical. But being mad about it being episodic despite the very large increase in scope compared to the original, just seems silly and short sighted.

The way I see it, it's like they are recreating a book and releasing it episodically because, well, it's probably the only profitable way to do it. Except the book in this case just so happened to be a game. Boo-hoo.

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codey
09/12/19 9:45:36 AM
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Twin3Turbo posted...
The way I see it, it's like they are recreating a book and releasing it episodically because, well, it's probably the only profitable way to do it. Except the book in this case just so happened to be a game. Boo-hoo.


Maybe now, after years of SE mismanaging the project. Other AAA manage to put out games with absolutely massive Scopes and make them profitable. Do we really think this game is going to bigger than anything that's ever been released?

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IShall_Run_Amok
09/12/19 9:46:08 AM
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I'm pretty sure most people are outraged at the shitty battle system, and laughing at how stupid it is for a 60 hour game to be stretched out into god-knows-how-many-hours and sold in installments.

Anyway, stop defending this dumpster fire. You're not good at it.
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SwayM
09/12/19 9:46:35 AM
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thanosibe posted...
Episodic or not it was/is in development hell. This games like a decade in the making. If anything that it is episodic might be why its been in developmental hell.


It was announced in 2015 and comes out in 7 months.

Twin3Turbo posted...



Well said.

Again. People being completely ignorant to the development process and things games just magically materialize into existence.
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LightningAce11
09/12/19 9:49:03 AM
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All parts should collectively be $60, not 60 each.
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Twin3Turbo
09/12/19 9:54:40 AM
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codey posted...
Maybe now, after years of SE mismanaging the project. Other AAA manage to put out games with absolutely massive Scopes and make them profitable. Do we really think this game is going to bigger than anything that's ever been released?


If they are recreating this game and making it as big as they seem to be making it, then yes, it could very well end up being one of the bigger games we have out there on the PS4.

Keep in mind that those games you're referring to usually survive by monetizing different things. Mainly DLC, and a lot of the DLC being useless stuff like costumes. I'm not immediately aware of any DLC coming out for this game, but if I'm wrong on that then let me konw.

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SwayM
09/12/19 9:59:46 AM
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LightningAce11 posted...
All parts should collectively be $60, not 60 each.


You want them to work for free for the following years post episode ones release?
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Solo_Wing
09/12/19 10:00:41 AM
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Meh. I've got a truckload of backlog. I'll wait for the inevitable Ultimate Edition at the end of PS5 / start of PS6.
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Trumpo
09/12/19 10:02:08 AM
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I am going to wait for the PS5 full release remaster
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AlisLandale
09/12/19 10:07:29 AM
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Solo_Wing posted...
Meh. I've got a truckload of backlog. I'll wait for the inevitable Ultimate Edition at the end of PS5 / start of PS6.


Final Fantasy VII: Remake: Re: Final Complete Compendium Version Holy and Version Meteor Collectors Double Pack Ultimate Edition

MSRP 599
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konokonohamaru
09/12/19 10:12:09 AM
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But...
What if...
The reason ....
Isn't to take the time to get it right...
But to milk the fanboys....

Also has going episodic ever worked out for a AAA title?
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Jiggy101011
09/12/19 10:14:13 AM
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Do we know how many episodes it will be? Do we know the release schedule of the other episodes?

No? Then theres your answer why people are upset. Its no different to a developer releasing a Season Pass and not telling you what all will be included in the season pass.
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wuzzat
09/12/19 10:18:13 AM
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I'm not interested in playing a piece of the game, then waiting around for the next piece to come out. So if it's episodic I will most likely wait until all episodes are out, but then I worry that it's not going to feel cohesive
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SwayM
09/12/19 10:21:23 AM
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Jiggy101011 posted...
Do we know how many episodes it will be? Do we know the release schedule of the other episodes?

No? Then theres your answer why people are upset. Its no different to a developer releasing a Season Pass and not telling you what all will be included in the season pass.


Leave it to gamers to look past a big juicy piece of steak on their plate and wonder when desert is coming.
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ModLogic
09/12/19 10:23:08 AM
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its obvious square is releasing an unfinished game to recoup some money.

get ready for episode 2 to be cancelled
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SwayM
09/12/19 10:24:29 AM
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Avengers 3 was split into 2 parts, leave it to the greedy producers to milk audiences for all its worth. Im not even gonna see it, Ill just wait for both parts to come out.

How is this any different?
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Trinstin
09/12/19 10:29:25 AM
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ultimate reaver posted...
Looks like modern square trash garbage. Throw it the fuck out and get me something better


I second this sentiment but I'll still be buying it to support my childhood company with the false hope they will ever get good again.
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Balrog0
09/12/19 10:34:10 AM
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SwayM posted...
Avengers 3 was split into 2 parts, leave it to the greedy producers to milk audiences for all its worth. Im not even gonna see it, Ill just wait for both parts to come out.

How is this any different?


You don't remember the anger at the hobbit being made into a trilogy or the last HP movie being split into two? Context actually matters a lot.

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MC_BatCommander
09/12/19 10:35:31 AM
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SwayM posted...
Avengers 3 was split into 2 parts, leave it to the greedy producers to milk audiences for all its worth. Im not even gonna see it, Ill just wait for both parts to come out.

How is this any different?


Lol I mean if folks think that way I have no problem with it. I thought the same way about Harry Potter being split into 2 movies for the finale.
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wuzzat
09/12/19 10:36:41 AM
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Not to mention with movies there's a practicality to it. Few people will sit through a 5 hour movie. But a 300 hour game? Sign me the fuck up
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konokonohamaru
09/12/19 10:36:50 AM
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SwayM posted...
Avengers 3 was split into 2 parts, leave it to the greedy producers to milk audiences for all its worth. Im not even gonna see it, Ill just wait for both parts to come out.

How is this any different?


imo it's coz MCU had earned the benefit of the doubt at that point. Modern Square deserves no such trust

Also, it's related to the conventions of how long movies can be
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Chaze_the_chat
09/12/19 10:37:45 AM
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masterpug53 posted...
My biggest concern after the last trailer was that an episodic FF7 will do for gaming what The Hobbit did for movie trilogies.

Revolutionize the industry?
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SwayM
09/12/19 10:38:53 AM
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MC_BatCommander posted...
SwayM posted...
Avengers 3 was split into 2 parts, leave it to the greedy producers to milk audiences for all its worth. Im not even gonna see it, Ill just wait for both parts to come out.

How is this any different?


Lol I mean if folks think that way I have no problem with it. I thought the same way about Harry Potter being split into 2 movies for the finale.


The problem is I dont care about either of these franchises. But I would understand the concern if either part felt short changed. I used the Avengers as an example because it clearly worked out for the best.
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wuzzat
09/12/19 10:41:12 AM
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Avengers also wasn't a two-part remake of something that was originally just one part
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SwayM
09/12/19 10:43:04 AM
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wuzzat posted...
Avengers also wasn't a two-part remake of something that was originally just one part


No it was a comic book turned movie

Originally something else and adapted into a much bigger project requiring multiple parts.

You see how this works?
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Twin3Turbo
09/12/19 10:46:13 AM
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Balrog0 posted...
You don't remember the anger at the hobbit being made into a trilogy or the last HP movie being split into two? Context actually matters a lot.
Honestly I don't remember, but is there really a large group of people out there that feels that those series would have been better with 1 movie, that would either have to:

1. Cut out a lot of stuff to be a reasonable length
2. Be very long

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