Poll of the Day > If you don't care who is president, you should vote for Andrew Yang

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Mead
09/05/19 4:29:57 PM
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Cause he really wants to give you a thousand bucks a month

I see a lot of people say that they dont see the point in voting because it doesnt affect their life in any meaningful way

So youd may as well vote for this guy. He wants to give you and everyone you know money every month.

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TheWitchMorgana
09/05/19 4:33:31 PM
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i dont live in that country but ill take the money anyway
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RCtheWSBC
09/05/19 4:34:03 PM
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oooor at the very least vote in your local elections because those motherfuckers directly influence the community around you and shit!
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ASlaveObeys
09/05/19 4:34:27 PM
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Problem is I have to go somewhere to vote or write a vote in. If there was an online box click option I'd be down.
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RCtheWSBC
09/05/19 4:35:05 PM
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ASlaveObeys posted...
Problem is I have to go somewhere to vote or write a vote in. If there was an online box click option I'd be down.

You can send that shit back in the mail, Lazy-head Daisy
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Mead
09/05/19 4:35:42 PM
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RCtheWSBC posted...
oooor at the very least vote in your local elections because those motherfuckers directly influence the community around you and shit!


People absolutely should but if they dont even vote for president of the country I dont know how to convince them to vote for local seats

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ASlaveObeys
09/05/19 4:36:17 PM
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RCtheWSBC posted...
ASlaveObeys posted...
Problem is I have to go somewhere to vote or write a vote in. If there was an online box click option I'd be down.

You can send that shit back in the mail, Lazy-head Daisy

You think I'm walking my ass to the mailbox and also lifting the little flag thingy? Gitouttahere
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Mead
09/05/19 4:37:36 PM
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RCtheWSBC posted...
You can send that shit back in the mail, Lazy-head Daisy


After moving to Missouri I found out you cant in some states!

I had to go to a weird building in a basement in 2018 and after I voted they gave me an uncooked sweet potato! I still dont understand

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RCtheWSBC
09/05/19 4:37:43 PM
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Mead posted...
RCtheWSBC posted...
oooor at the very least vote in your local elections because those motherfuckers directly influence the community around you and shit!


People absolutely should but if they dont even vote for president of the country I dont know how to convince them to vote for local seats

I prefer to think in bottom-up vs. top-down approach now. People are very disillusioned with the upper echelons of U.S. government and its bureaucratic systems. I think folks need to be able to see the effects of their decisions which can be realized easier on a micro-level.
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Noop_Noop
09/05/19 4:39:04 PM
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get that fucking commie gobbledieguk out of here. I'd rather have a functioning economy thanks.

not that it matters. they start passing that sort of socialist shit here and I'm just gonna bounce the fuck out along with the rest of the 1%. I'd still be sad to see it happen.
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Broken_Zeus
09/05/19 4:39:42 PM
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If you work, that thousand dollars is virtual because you'll be paying more money into the system regardless.

Granted, he still beats Bernie Sanders, which is a small bar to jump.
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SkynyrdRocker
09/05/19 4:40:27 PM
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Noop_Noop posted...
get that fucking commie gobbledieguk out of here. I'd rather have a functioning economy thanks.

not that it matters. they start passing that sort of socialist shit here and I'm just gonna bounce the fuck out along with the rest of the 1%. I'd still be sad to see it happen.

Hear that everyone? Vote Yang to get rid of schmen!
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Mead
09/05/19 4:40:52 PM
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If you want a functioning economy you should be all for a value added tax like every other healthy economy in the world

unless you really think money is better spent by corporations and the government as opposed to consumers

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RCtheWSBC
09/05/19 4:41:04 PM
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SkynyrdRocker posted...
Noop_Noop posted...
get that fucking commie gobbledieguk out of here. I'd rather have a functioning economy thanks.

not that it matters. they start passing that sort of socialist shit here and I'm just gonna bounce the fuck out along with the rest of the 1%. I'd still be sad to see it happen.

Hear that everyone? Vote Yang to get rid of schmen!

lmao
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Noop_Noop
09/05/19 4:41:48 PM
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SkynyrdRocker posted...
Noop_Noop posted...
get that fucking commie gobbledieguk out of here. I'd rather have a functioning economy thanks.

not that it matters. they start passing that sort of socialist shit here and I'm just gonna bounce the fuck out along with the rest of the 1%. I'd still be sad to see it happen.

Hear that everyone? Vote Yang to get rid of schmen!


and all of the money! but its cool, youll get a monthly thousand dollar check thatll be worth like... a slice of bread

edit: he'd also have to get it passed, which is somehow even less likely than his infinitesimal chance of being elected in the first place
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LinkPizza
09/05/19 4:44:00 PM
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Personally, I dont really believe we will get this magical $1000 or that guy. Either way, I probably wont vote. I work 2 jobs and dont have any free time...
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TheWitchMorgana
09/05/19 4:44:20 PM
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a thousand dollars can buy many slices of bread
explain how
money can be exchanged for goods and services
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Mead
09/05/19 4:45:41 PM
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If you work, that thousand dollars is virtual because you'll be paying more money into the system regardless.


This is in no way correct

https://www.yang2020.com/what-is-freedom-dividend-faq/

Wouldnt the VAT just get passed on to consumers, cancelling out the UBI?
No.
First, not all goods will be subject to the VAT. Staples such as groceries and clothing will be excluded from the VAT.
Second, the assumption that the entire VAT would get passed on to consumers is incorrect. Consumers are price sensitive, and the demand for most goods is at least somewhat elastic. While prices will likely increase on many goods, the increase will, for the most part, be smaller than the VAT as producers find more efficient ways to produce goods and adjust prices to maximize profitability.
Finally, an individual would have to buy a lot of non-exempt items in order to cancel out the value of the UBI. Assuming all goods are subject to a VAT and the entire VAT is passed on to consumers, an individual would have to buy $120,000 worth of items before the extra costs associated with a VAT use up their UBI. As stated above, those two assumptions are wrong, and most people arent spending nearly that much money.

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Noop_Noop
09/05/19 4:46:05 PM
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TheWitchMorgana posted...
a thousand dollars can buy many slices of bread
explain how
money can be exchanged for goods and services


until everyone with money leaves your country and your currency loses all value

like i said though, it doesnt matter. its easy enough to jump ship.
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RCtheWSBC
09/05/19 4:46:43 PM
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@LinkPizza posted...
Either way, I probably wont vote. I work 2 jobs and dont have any free time...

Depending on your state of residence, you have recourse:
1. Mail-in ballots
2. Early voting
3. Mandated allowed time to vote on Election Day (anywhere from 2 hours to unlimited)
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TheWitchMorgana
09/05/19 4:47:57 PM
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Noop_Noop posted...
TheWitchMorgana posted...
a thousand dollars can buy many slices of bread
explain how
money can be exchanged for goods and services

until everyone with money leaves your country and your currency loses all value

like i said though, it doesnt matter. its easy enough to jump ship.

the people with money arent doing anything with it anyway, and most of them have their money outside of the country anyway. leaving would probably affect things very little
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TheWorstPoster
09/05/19 4:48:06 PM
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Have fun with the government paying 3 trillion dollars per month
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Noop_Noop
09/05/19 4:48:43 PM
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TheWitchMorgana posted...
Noop_Noop posted...
TheWitchMorgana posted...
a thousand dollars can buy many slices of bread
explain how
money can be exchanged for goods and services

until everyone with money leaves your country and your currency loses all value

like i said though, it doesnt matter. its easy enough to jump ship.

the people with money arent doing anything with it anyway, and most of them have their money outside of the country anyway. leaving would probably affect things very little


um, i have the money, and i am doing lots of stuff with it, thanks.
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TheWitchMorgana
09/05/19 4:49:13 PM
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can i have a thousand dollars per month
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Noop_Noop
09/05/19 4:49:48 PM
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TheWorstPoster posted...
Have fun with the government paying 3 trillion dollars per month


no. you dont get to talk shit here. your ass lives on welfare while simultaneously acting as if you have a problem with it.

get

a

god

damn

job

nathan
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RCtheWSBC
09/05/19 4:50:11 PM
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@LinkPizza (and anyone else who may read this)

It's really unfortunate that many of us who deserve better, more accurate representation of our needs feel as if they don't have the opportunity to make their voices heard. But dammit, your perspective is important. It can affect so many things. I hope you can find the time to get engaged however you can. I'm welcome to share resources and help!
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Mead
09/05/19 4:50:16 PM
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LinkPizza posted...
Personally, I dont really believe we will get this magical $1000 or that guy. Either way, I probably wont vote. I work 2 jobs and dont have any free time...


There unfortunately is no magic involved. Its implementing a tax thats used across the world already, at a much lower rate, to offset the loopholes that allow companies like amazon, google, and Facebook to pay no federal taxes.

Regardless of who you vote for it really is in your best interest to vote, because when you dont vote your giving your voice to someone else. Its your choice though.


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Noop_Noop
09/05/19 4:53:32 PM
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TheWitchMorgana posted...
can i have a thousand dollars per month


if you wanna work for it, then sure. im hiring a couple ranch hands, but im gonna need an onsite interview, and im hoping you have at least some relevant experience if you want more than minimum wage. prolly gonna require relocation on your part.
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Noop_Noop
09/05/19 4:55:48 PM
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LinkPizza posted...
Personally, I dont really believe we will get this magical $1000 or that guy. Either way, I probably wont vote. I work 2 jobs and dont have any free time...


think about it like this:

if you dont vote, then my voice is worth more than yours. im fairly certain you dont want that because that means when i say that the original legend of zelda on NES was the only worthwhile title in the series you legally arent allowed to argue if i voted and you didnt.
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Yellow
09/05/19 5:03:22 PM
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If you don't care then you should vote for Bernie, because he's basically a more moderate Yang with a chance of winning.

And your healthcare becomes far less shitty. It's not free, just subsidized. Ask any foreigner what they think of US's healthcare system, even Conservatives from other countries (take the UK) call it insane.

He's tying with Biden at this point, who's basically a corporate shill, who will do nothing. If you want a real Conservative in the most literal form, and you're part of the top 1%, vote Biden.
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Mead
09/05/19 5:06:01 PM
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vote Biden.


no

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Broken_Zeus
09/05/19 5:09:27 PM
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Andrew Yang: Promising Americans bread & circuses to get their votes!
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Yellow
09/05/19 5:10:13 PM
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Mead posted...
vote Biden.


no

That's directed at Noop_Noop, who stated he was in the top 1%, if he doesn't care about our healthcare and just personally wants to make as much money as possible.

It's a valid choice for him.
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LinkPizza
09/05/19 5:10:56 PM
#34:


RCtheWSBC posted...
@LinkPizza posted...
Either way, I probably wont vote. I work 2 jobs and dont have any free time...

Depending on your state of residence, you have recourse:
1. Mail-in ballots
2. Early voting
3. Mandated allowed time to vote on Election Day (anywhere from 2 hours to unlimited)

The only one I could use is mailing, if its allowed where I am. Early and mandated time doesnt matter because I have to be at work to make enough to live. I barely have enough. And leaving work for 2 hours wont help. And my new hours will basically be 7am-9pm. Not including time to get up, get ready, and get back home.

RCtheWSBC posted...
@LinkPizza (and anyone else who may read this)

It's really unfortunate that many of us who deserve better, more accurate representation of our needs feel as if they don't have the opportunity to make their voices heard. But dammit, your perspective is important. It can affect so many things. I hope you can find the time to get engaged however you can. I'm welcome to share resources and help!

Mail in might work. Ill just have to make sure to swing by a mailbox at some point. Probably Friday night or something.

Mead posted...
LinkPizza posted...
Personally, I dont really believe we will get this magical $1000 or that guy. Either way, I probably wont vote. I work 2 jobs and dont have any free time...


There unfortunately is no magic involved. Its implementing a tax thats used across the world already, at a much lower rate, to offset the loopholes that allow companies like amazon, google, and Facebook to pay no federal taxes.

Regardless of who you vote for it really is in your best interest to vote, because when you dont vote your giving your voice to someone else. Its your choice though.


Its my time thats an issue...

Noop_Noop posted...
LinkPizza posted...
Personally, I dont really believe we will get this magical $1000 or that guy. Either way, I probably wont vote. I work 2 jobs and dont have any free time...


think about it like this:

if you dont vote, then my voice is worth more than yours. im fairly certain you dont want that because that means when i say that the original legend of zelda on NES was the only worthwhile title in the series you legally arent allowed to argue if i voted and you didnt.

Doesnt work. The president is only the president of the US. Not of games. So, nope...
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TigerTycoon
09/05/19 5:24:04 PM
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Since the U.S. government will be a self serving disaster regardless I want whoever is president to make everyone else in the U.S. government as unhappy as possible.
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Mead
09/05/19 5:25:44 PM
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TigerTycoon posted...
Since the U.S. government will be a self serving disaster regardless I want whoever is president to make everyone else in the U.S. government as unhappy as possible.


Sounds like Trump 2020 is the choice for you

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Noop_Noop
09/05/19 5:25:56 PM
#37:


Yellow posted...
Mead posted...
vote Biden.


no

That's directed at Noop_Noop, who stated he was in the top 1%, if he doesn't care about our healthcare and just personally wants to make as much money as possible.

It's a valid choice for him.


im really not interested in making as much money as possible.

im on this earth for a short while, and while money is certainly a means to many of my desired ends, it is far from a priority for me.
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Gaawa_chan
09/05/19 6:42:18 PM
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Sanders' rural revitalization plan alone makes him the best candidate, especially after the damage that has been done to agriculture under the current administration.
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Sarcasthma
09/05/19 6:44:39 PM
#39:


Noop_Noop posted...
TheWorstPoster posted...
Have fun with the government paying 3 trillion dollars per month


no. you dont get to talk shit here. your ass lives on welfare while simultaneously acting as if you have a problem with it.

get

a

god

damn

job

nathan

But being a hypocrite is all he knows!
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_AdjI_
09/05/19 7:17:17 PM
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Noop_Noop posted...
you legally arent allowed to argue


So much for caring about free speech...
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Noop_Noop
09/05/19 7:28:34 PM
#41:


_AdjI_ posted...
Noop_Noop posted...
you legally arent allowed to argue


So much for caring about free speech...


hmmm

it looks like, as usual, adjl is nit picking specific parts of posts and ignoring everything else, at the cost of the actual point of the post.

but hey, what else would one expect from a pedantic wikipedia bot who proudly believes that "words dont mean anything"

this is adjl folks. he cuts out the first part of the JOKE to make it seem like its not a JOKE. lets go ahead and quote the rest.

Noop_Noop posted...
if you dont vote, then my voice is worth more than yours. im fairly certain you dont want that because that means when i say that the original legend of zelda on NES was the only worthwhile title in the series you legally arent allowed to argue if i voted and you didnt.


yeah. that sounds real serious.

whats it like to be either so ignorant, or so intentionally misleading?

inb4 the inevitable 3rd grade "i know you are but what am i" level response
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adjl
09/05/19 9:45:27 PM
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That's a whole lot of words with no useful semantic content. Been taking lessons, have we?
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BUMPED2002
09/05/19 10:07:12 PM
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Ha, compared to what we have, I'd vote for Howdy Doody!
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Noop_Noop
09/05/19 10:53:45 PM
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adjl posted...
That's a whole lot of words with no useful semantic content. Been taking lessons, have we?


yeah of course YOU think that because YOU think that "words dont mean anything"

oh wait, i get it, i took your standard response out from under you so now youre just reaching desperately.

its ok kiddo. just dont engage me any more and i wont make you look silly anymore. or do, just remember not to do it with a wikipedia article you copied because you know nobody ever reads that shit.

inb4 you snip ~10% of this and quote it to try to say something even dumber (sorry bro, youre just too predictable at this point)
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SusanGreenEyes
09/05/19 10:58:24 PM
#45:


Mead posted...
Cause he really wants to give you a thousand bucks a month

I see a lot of people say that they dont see the point in voting because it doesnt affect their life in any meaningful way

So youd may as well vote for this guy. He wants to give you and everyone you know money every month.

Where is all this"free money" coming from?
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Noop_Noop
09/05/19 11:00:03 PM
#46:


SusanGreenEyes posted...
Mead posted...
Cause he really wants to give you a thousand bucks a month

I see a lot of people say that they dont see the point in voting because it doesnt affect their life in any meaningful way

So youd may as well vote for this guy. He wants to give you and everyone you know money every month.

Where is all this"free money" coming from?


from all the people who will immediately stop living and doing business here
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Mead
09/05/19 11:00:53 PM
#47:


SusanGreenEyes posted...
Where is all this"free money" coming from?


Pretty sure you already asked this question in a previous topic but
here ya go if you are actually curious

https://www.yang2020.com/policies/value-added-tax/


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dud
09/05/19 11:04:42 PM
#48:


He's not the worst Dem candidate but the way that alt-rightists and centrists have latched on to him gives me a lot of pause. It reminds me of Berniebros in 2016 where I feel like people are supporting him for the wrong reasons or don't really understand their own ideologies
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dud
09/05/19 11:08:39 PM
#49:


Maybe I just sound like a looney conspiracy theorist but it seems almost like he's being set up as a foil for the inevitable more establishment candidate to disillusion Dem voters, again, like what happened with Bernie (but even more deliberate this time)
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LinkPizza
09/05/19 11:18:53 PM
#50:


Mead posted...
SusanGreenEyes posted...
Where is all this"free money" coming from?


Pretty sure you already asked this question in a previous topic but
here ya go if you are actually curious

https://www.yang2020.com/policies/value-added-tax/


Also, where is he getting that number from?
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