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so I thought Id look up suicide rates based on age (because he was older) and in Canada, I was pretty surprised to see the 5-10 age-range at 0.01 in 100,000. Thats insane. People in their 90s who kill themselves were in the 9 in 100,000 range. These numbers are male/female combined. Only males were recorded in the 5-10 age-range and males were 27 in 100,000 versus 3 for females.

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After a certain age group, you're likely no longer dealing with people killing themselves due to life issues or depression or other psychological reasons, and start moving into the range where people are killing themselves because medical euthanasia isn't an option and they have health issues that they no longer feel willing or able to deal with. You may also start shading into dementia-driven suicides that don't necessarily represent the normal mindset of the individual.

I'd honestly expect suicide rates in general to be a reversed bell curve.
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But 5-10 in those numbers? What can be going on?

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zebatov posted...

But 5-10 in those numbers? What can be going on?

Assuming you actually meant 0.01, that seems like a very small number... perhaps it includes accidental suicides, like playing with a parent's gun?
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ParanoidObsessive posted...

After a certain age group, you're likely no longer dealing with people killing themselves due to life issues or depression or other psychological reasons, and start moving into the range where people are killing themselves because medical euthanasia isn't an option and they have health issues that they no longer feel willing or able to deal with. You may also start shading into dementia-driven suicides that don't necessarily represent the normal mindset of the individual.

I'd honestly expect suicide rates in general to be a reversed bell curve.

Maybe a bit of a sine wave. Low chance of suicide before teens, high from teen to 35, then a dip down from 36 to 50, then a uptick as the years go on. Either due to dementia, loss depression, or medical reasons.
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Lokarin posted...

Assuming you actually meant 0.01, that seems like a very small number... perhaps it includes accidental suicides, like playing with a parent's gun?

No, I meant age range, as per my original post. I think it amounts to 10/100,000. Thats way too many children. Some of which may have never heard the word suicide before.

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zebatov posted...

Lokarin posted...

Assuming you actually meant 0.01, that seems like a very small number... perhaps it includes accidental suicides, like playing with a parent's gun?

No, I meant age range, as per my original post. I think it amounts to 10/100,000. Thats way too many children. Some of which may have never heard the word suicide before.

0.01 in 100'000 is 1 in 10'000'000
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I wish you had put a warning in the topic title that this might be sad.

https://www.cnn.com/2017/08/14/health/child-suicides/index.html
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Cacciato posted...

I wish you had put a warning in the topic title that this might be sad.

Did you see the first topic then?

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zebatov posted...

Cacciato posted...

I wish you had put a warning in the topic title that this might be sad.

Did you see the first topic then?

Yea

Cant remember why I deleted it but it wouldnt let me post it again so I deleted that part of it plus whatever I changed.

Lokarin posted...

0.01 in 100'000 is 1 in 10'000'000

Alright. It still seems like a lot.

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I mean starting at age 7 or 8 (heavy topic spoiler coming, warning you here) I ended up severely depressed to due abuse and medicated for it by 9. So yeah unfortunately I can easily see with the exchange/ease of information now how someone in a really crappy situation might do that at a young age. Especially because young children lack the ability to really reason things out like even teens do. Unfortunately even children can end up in situations they think there's no way out of and it's never going to get better.

1 in 10'000'000 is 0.1 micromorts

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micromort
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I sincerely doubt most 5-10 year olds that end up dead actually kill themselves. It probably combines a few things that "could be suicides" something like playing with a gun or doing something else stupid like climbing a tall tree and falling.

ChaosAzeroth posted...

I mean starting at age 7 or 8 (heavy topic spoiler coming, warning you here) I ended up severely depressed to due abuse and medicated for it by 9. So yeah unfortunately I can easily see with the exchange/ease of information now how someone in a really crappy situation might do that at a young age. Especially because young children lack the ability to really reason things out like even teens do. Unfortunately even children can end up in situations they think there's no way out of and it's never going to get better.

While this may be true most with depression do wait quite a while to kill themselves. I mean sucide is rarely wake up one day and just decide to do it, it's more of a long term process.

Monopoman posted...

While this may be true most with depression do wait quite a while to kill themselves. I mean sucide is rarely wake up one day and just decide to do it, it's more of a long term process.

True. I'm just saying that honestly it's not unbelievable to me sadly. I went through that crap for YEARS.
5 feels a bit young, but who knows what some kids go through and for how long.

zebatov posted...

But 5-10 in those numbers? What can be going on?

Kids that age don't necessarily understand risks so it's possible that the number could include children jumping off tall structures and other acts which, while deliberate rather than accidental, aren't things we consider suicide but it would be the official cause of death because it meets a set of criteria. And you're always going to have murders passed off as suicides as well as some conventional suicides. Otherwise you'd really need to look at how they gathered the data.
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