Board 8 > A Mafia Discussion topic

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Leanansidhe posted...

I think Discord mafia would be super fun! I love Discord and I love scum boards being replaced by it, and dead town chat existing. I took a break from mafia for like a year and that innovation was the most surprising innovation when I got back.

I know foolmo was trying to get discord mafia to be a thing (with bot hosts, even) a while back when B8 first started using it. Not sure what happened because I don't think it even has a channel anymore- I presume it kinda died during that long lull we had with board mafia. I agree that it's great for scum chat and also enjoy having a dead town chat (although after Settlers mafia, informed dead players make me nervous >_>)

Leanansidhe posted...

Until postgame I didn't know I was roleblocked because of a penalty and not a town action.

That was one of the things I was suggesting changing for next time- would that have been better?

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Leanansidhe posted...

I love flavour texts to open days/night too. I'm always saddened when they inevitably trail off. If anyone ever wants flavour for a game I'm not in HMU. I don't know what Mercs 4 is but I'll fan fic it up why not

My biggest peeve from hosts is when a host takes a ****ing hour just to do a flip because they won't stop writing superfluous crap.

Write your crap if you want to just give us the damn flip first
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Meow1000 posted...

Dead town chats are about as much a waste of time as flavor texts to open days/nights imo.

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Dels posted...

some people value social interaction

Yeah there are much better places for that than Mafia imo
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Leanansidhe posted...

I love flavour texts to open days/night too. I'm always saddened when they inevitably trail off. If anyone ever wants flavour for a game I'm not in HMU. I don't know what Mercs 4 is but I'll fan fic it up why not

I simultaneously rarely even read long flavour posts and will probably make long flavour posts myself when I get around to hosting
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Meow1000 posted...

red13n posted...

Meow1000 posted...

Dead town chats are about as much a waste of time as flavor texts to open days/nights imo.

within 3 hours of being in dead town chat i got to talk more about the game than i got to in game.

Why does it matter at that point if you're dead

It doesn't, but people have clearly enjoyed having it and it's harmless so I don't really mind it at all.

Also re: flavor, if you're going to do it, start of day flavor only. Put previous day's lynch on it. Do not delay the flip to write end of day flavor, and don't halfass end of day flavor to avoid delaying the flip.

Leanansidhe posted...

I don't know what Mercs 4 is

RUN WHILE YOU STILL CAN

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Tom Bombadil posted...

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RUN WHILE YOU STILL CAN

Mercs will inevitably turn toxic enough to make Mafia blush.

*Inevitably*
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Reg posted...

Also re: flavor, if you're going to do it, start of day flavor only. Put previous day's lynch on it.

this was not an idea that occurred to me until I saw Pez doing it this game and I kinda like it

Meow1000 posted...

Yeah there are much better places for that than Mafia imo

well you're not wrong I suppose :\

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Tom Bombadil posted...

this was not an idea that occurred to me until I saw Pez doing it this game and I kinda like it

I liked this.
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Meow1000 posted...

Mercs will inevitably turn toxic enough to make Mafia blush.

*Inevitably*

something has to be non-toxic before it can "turn" toxic

that said I am hyped for m5

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Reg posted...

Meow1000 posted...

red13n posted...

Meow1000 posted...

Dead town chats are about as much a waste of time as flavor texts to open days/nights imo.

within 3 hours of being in dead town chat i got to talk more about the game than i got to in game.

Why does it matter at that point if you're dead

It doesn't, but people have clearly enjoyed having it and it's harmless so I don't really mind it at all.

Also re: flavor, if you're going to do it, start of day flavor only. Put previous day's lynch on it. Do not delay the flip to write end of day flavor, and don't halfass end of day flavor to avoid delaying the flip.

I don't mind it being there I just see it as having no value.

But yeah anything that gets the flip out at a sensible time is fine by me.
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Tom Bombadil posted...

Meow1000 posted...

Mercs will inevitably turn toxic enough to make Mafia blush.

*Inevitably*

something has to be non-toxic before it can "turn" toxic

that said I am hyped for m5

You make a good point!
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I like games that revolve around conflict but I don't like the conflict they generate XD

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Leanansidhe posted...

Mafia is my sole social experience on B8.

well at least you didn't pick mercs or politics

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Tom Bombadil posted...

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well at least you didn't pick mercs or politics

I made the politics mistake once

Never again
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Meow1000 posted...

Tom Bombadil posted...

red13n posted...

Being able to talk after being dead is a huge balance swing.

What about if only living players could talk, so it's less a chance to give a dying message and more a grace period?

(I assume you don't flip the role until afterwards)

Much better but there's still a distinct problem: You're letting town openly discuss a lynch right after it happens. Town is not supposed to be able to discuss the lynch until the next day. It's inherently unfair to scum that they get to do this instead of having to wait for 24 hours. It also can greatly affect how town power acts that night, which is also an inherently unfair byproduct.

I will say that the last game I hosted had twilight (not flipping the role until it was actually night), but then it had basically no town power so I haven't seen it effect town power yet. (It also had only 12 hour nights and 36 hour days and an open format, so it had some pretty major changes). I never want to do the 36 hour days again, but twilight was fine in my book.
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board 8 mafia community: not as toxic as we could've been

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Reg posted...

Also re: flavor, if you're going to do it, start of day flavor only. Put previous day's lynch on it. Do not delay the flip to write end of day flavor, and don't halfass end of day flavor to avoid delaying the flip.

that sounds reasonable will keep in mind.
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Tom Bombadil posted...

I agree that it's great for scum chat and also enjoy having a dead town chat (although after Settlers mafia, informed dead players make me nervous >_>)

no rule saying you have to inform the dead town chat.

another thing as far as last game I hosted went, actually liked the discussion there a lot more than everyone just knowing.
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Yeah I think dead town chat shouldn't be informed of anything. B8 mafia has always had a problem with people who died coming in post-game to rant about how dumb everyone is for not seeing how "obvious" the entire scum team (that they never suspected while they were alive) was, we don't need to encourage it even more by letting the dead town spend weeks building up frustration at the living for not figuring it out when it's so obvious to them, the ones who have already had it host confirmed <_<
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Agreed with the not informing dead town too btw

If I host/use one when I do, I'm literally not going to say anything in it except answering direct questions (and even then at my own discretion) tbh

Agreed, imagine how an informed dead town chat reacts to Ben's town flip. I think uniformed is better. Spectators to the game could join as well
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Forceful_Dragon posted...

Agreed, imagine how an informed dead town chat reacts to Ben's town flip. I think uniformed is better. Spectators to the game could join as well

except if I ask for an invite to the dead town chat I always get a link to the mafia chat instead, so...

be careful! =P
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If I were doing a penalty thing I'd make it something public and alignment-neutral. Probably something announced in the OP like "For a minor infraction, you are -2 to lynch the next day" or "You cannot vote the next day." Handing out scans/powers seems potentially unbalanced, and also easy to meta.

I'd probably also be more lenient with posting-after-lynch that doesn't occur at deadline. Say I read the whole topic, then take 15 minutes typing up a post (not unusual). I forget to refresh the page before posting. OOPS day ended 10 minutes ago.
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TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Also id love to host again at some point i highly enjoied that ill put my name on the list to host a simpsons Mafia i got a pretty good idea for that one

I'm in to be a reg like figure who sits in the hosting room and gives advice and thoughts on balance. I'm not going to be free enough to design or run or play in any games during the semester while I have to teach and grade.

Id like to host in the future as well.
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I haven't had a chance to read everyone's posts yet. But let me give detail on what was going through my mind as I talked things over with Reg and Tom.

The early day 1 and multiple posts after stop. Gravy's was the worst. But my immediate reaction on all of them was, to do nothing. That was our decision. But Gravy actually contacted Tom and said he thought he should be modkilled. I talked it over with Gravy and in the process came to believe that players should meta him to be town because. So, at that point I leaned towards modkilling because an all but confirmed town player is a thorn for scum. A forced replace doesn't solve that. But a role scan could help mafia a lot. Particularly with this setup which seemed to prevent them from using their non-kill powers. Ultimately we decided that he wasn't confirmed town. But town should probably lean town on him if they did meta it.

That last line is how we then used the soft actions. We were trying to judge how the town would view the infraction. If something caused them to be more likely to view a player as town, we gave a soft action.

Chris' WTF post was immediately jumped on by Reg and Red. Red in the dead town chat and Reg in the hosting server. They both felt that it made Lea look town. I said if that post made Lea look like town, then extending that meta should make Ben and Firebolt look like town as well. We thought briefly about the actions just canceling out. Ultimately decided on a random role block and a flavor scan. The random role block was 10/40/50 chance to hit kill/bus/RB.

It's SUPER subjective. And was definitely clunky. I'm not ready to throw out the concept. I kind of lean towards announcing the penalty and punishing the player by saying something like you can't vote. But anything like that might be clunky too.

As Blade and Corrik commented, this really changes the balance of the game. I really like the balance of this game and it was torn up immediately. Ultimately I think it was won or lost in the topic which was the goal of the setup. But you can't deny how these powers changed the balance.

So at best it's a mixed bag at the moment.

I would like to host Steven Universe mafia for my small-game flavor, I think. Unless nobody whatsoever is interested in the flavor.
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Is there a reason why with the slower purge we can't keep a dedicated topic to mafia results, hosts, who idled out, etc.

Also, the experimental rules for this last game was literally the worst thing ever. It completely killed the SKs chances to win without him even having done anything wrong.

It made the game impossible to figure out because actions didn't add up or make sense based on the roles in the game.

I hate it. I hope it is never done again. Seriously.

Warn someone or modkill them. Did scum need a free action cuz I accidentally edited 2 games ago? I was warned and it was fine. If I was modkilled, it was fine too.

Though, we can check edits and why editing is still taboo is beyond me. Unless it is edited during night or after death or in regards to votes, it should be fine.

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Leanansidhe posted...

Mafia is my sole social experience on B8. Maybe someday I should post in a regular topic, where people aren't actively trying to destroy their opponents.

I probably won't tho

I might you have on that. Mafia is my sole social experience on gamefaqs at all. It wouldn't be right to call me a B8er at all. I just happen to have lived with Tom in the past and really enjoyed AIM mafia. I wish that still existed. I like the thought we put into board mafia. But I loved that AIM mafia wasn't so involved that it can take weeks to play.

DrPez posted...

Chris' WTF post was immediately jumped on by Reg and Red. Red in the dead town chat and Reg in the hosting server. They both felt that it made Lea look town. I said if that post made Lea look like town, then extending that meta should make Ben and Firebolt look like town as well.

It absolutely made the hammerer appear confirmed town because it was scum hammered. That said, I just handwaved it because I didn't think Chris would do that so I figured he just made a mistake.

But, anyone else and I am mod-confirming the hammerer town.

There is zero chance that post was the same as the other two and canceled out. That said, it didn't really matter cuz no one chose to meta it... just as no one chose to meta gravy's late post either.

So, these actions were flying around for nothing.

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Leanansidhe posted...

It would be nice to not have spoilers. It makes the game less fun to follow for me, personally. Except for maybe English Lit mafia where it was very much yelling at the movie screen, "BEHIND YOU! ULTI IS GOING TO GET YOU!"

I tried to do the non-spoilers in this dead town. But everyone who died immediately just wanted to know who was scum. So, I'm not sure you get the same interest in the dead town chat without the spoilers.

DrPez posted...

I might you have on that. Mafia is my sole social experience on gamefaqs at all. It wouldn't be right to call me a B8er at all. I just happen to have lived with Tom in the past and really enjoyed AIM mafia. I wish that still existed. I like the thought we put into board mafia. But I loved that AIM mafia wasn't so involved that it can take weeks to play.

Oh sweet summer children. Go into a politics topic and post anything even remotely conservative. You will have people at your throat in every topic shortly after. lol

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Corrik7 posted...

Is there a reason why with the slower purge we can't keep a dedicated topic to mafia results, hosts, who idled out, etc.

Also, the experimental rules for this last game was literally the worst thing ever. It completely killed the SKs chances to win without him even having done anything wrong.

It made the game impossible to figure out because actions didn't add up or make sense based on the roles in the game.

I hate it. I hope it is never done again. Seriously.

Warn someone or modkill them. Did scum need a free action cuz I accidentally edited 2 games ago? I was warned and it was fine. If I was modkilled, it was fine too.

Though, we can check edits and why editing is still taboo is beyond me. Unless it is edited during night or after death or in regards to votes, it should be fine.

I'm not convinced you're wrong at all. I'm glad to have tried it. But I don't know if I use it again in the future. I think I might try it one more time and see how many kinks I can work out. And then make a decision after that. But I don't anticipate hosting again for some time.

I am a bit late to this but I say I hate the very idea of perks in every aspect.
Not only does it seem balance destructive, it also makes the game more about the hosts whims than the players interactions.
deliberate Posting after a NK should just deserve a modkill etc.

As for dead town chat
I did suggest the spoiler and nonspoiler channel idea back after my game ended.
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also maybe just @ everyone to warn them about early day ends
establish that as a general warning beforehand
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So

Someone:

##hammer

Host:

Stop

Host:

@allplayers
day ended early

.

Something like that?
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Forceful_Dragon posted...

So

Someone:

##hammer

Host:

Stop

Host:

@allplayers
day ended early

.

Something like that?

I think that's not unreasonable.
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Also August family reunion time this weekend. Everyone kept asking about me being here because I introduced mafia last year. I need some setups to try out. Nothing too complicated. Last year the only thing I used was a cop.
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Cop, vigi, doctor are very easy to understand.

Mafia RB as well
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Day or night Vig? I feel like starting with a night vig would be best, as to not give anything away, but having someone tell stop to shoot another player would elicit some wtf reactions.
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It would have to be night vig.

And how many games would you run? Just one?

If multiple you can explain the roles you are adding and say they might be included in the game. Then during night phase...

"If there is a vigilante, look up"

"If there is a vigilante, point at someone if you want to use your shot tonight"

Keep it vague
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Last year I ran 5. I dont remember how long I made day phases, but I felt they might have been to short so this year I am going to go 5 mins. Problem most of them ended early anyways because people liked to just pile on and end early. I might not end days on majority this year and give people the opportunity to keep changing their votes until EoD.
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I'm not sure of how many players I have yet, but obviously setup will be appropriate.
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Days ending early is anti-town.

If you are town and contribute to day ending extra early, then that's your fault for trying to help scum win.
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I would play discord mafia
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