Current Events > Trump: Akshully i didn't call Nazis very fine people. Is hoax

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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1161270865788583936?s=19
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"Debunked"

If you see a group of neo-nazis, and decide to join up with them to protest, you are not a "fine person." Therefore, 0% of people on the nazi side were "fine people."
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Trump was really angry about having to admit that there were fine people on the non-Nazi side of things.
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I don't really think anyone here actually needs this, but here it is anyway.

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lol

It's so sad

Trump: What I said in the past is fake news. Only what I say now matters.

Five minutes later: That's fake news.
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creativerealms posted...

Trump: What I said in the past is fake news..only what I say now matters.

Fivebminutes later: That's fake news.

The man's a living logical paradox.
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CyricZ posted...

I don't really think anyone here actually needs this, but here it is anyway.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4T45Sbkndjc" data-time="

Damn.
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Well its true he wasnt referring to Nazis when he said that.

coh posted...

Well its true he wasnt referring to Nazis when he said that.

Which is why the argument always becomes:
DarkChozoGhost posted...

"Debunked"

If you see a group of neo-nazis, and decide to join up with them to protest, you are not a "fine person." Therefore, 0% of people on the nazi side were "fine people."

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One of my truest logic has always been "You are who you keep as company". If your company is Nazis then lemme tell you something...

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IShall_Run_Amok posted...

Trump was really angry about having to admit that there were fine people on the non-Nazi side of things.

He still hates having to pretend to call out his biggest supporters.
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DarkChozoGhost posted...

"Debunked"

If you see a group of neo-nazis, and decide to join up with them to protest, you are not a "fine person." Therefore, 0% of people on the nazi side were "fine people."

This.

Also, fuck Steve Cortes, he really thinks he will be safe from the supremacists just because he sold his soul to them. They will dispose of him right after they achieve their goals, assuming they did

s0nicfan posted...

coh posted...

Well its true he wasnt referring to Nazis when he said that.

Which is why the argument always becomes:
DarkChozoGhost posted...

"Debunked"

If you see a group of neo-nazis, and decide to join up with them to protest, you are not a "fine person." Therefore, 0% of people on the nazi side were "fine people."

So the argument "becomes" an accurate defense against attempts to sanitize Trump's Charlottesville statements? This isn't the gotcha you seem to think it is.

When some """"different group"""" sees Nazis chanting "Jews will not replace us" in the course of defending the statutes lionizing a white slave based ethnostate posted by white supremacists as an attack on the civil rights movement years, to a century after the Civil War, and decides to join the Nazis, they are in fact not fine people and anyone who calls them that knows exactly what they're doing.
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doof
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s0nicfan posted...

coh posted...

Well its true he wasnt referring to Nazis when he said that.

Which is why the argument always becomes:
DarkChozoGhost posted...

"Debunked"

If you see a group of neo-nazis, and decide to join up with them to protest, you are not a "fine person." Therefore, 0% of people on the nazi side were "fine people."

That's an accurate argument though, why do you think it's fake?

Jk I know why, and that's because I remember your reaction that day in topics about Charlottesville.
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The Great Muta 22 posted...

That's an accurate argument though, why do you think it's fake?

Jk I know why, and that's because I remember your reaction that day in topics about Charlottesville.

I'm not saying the argument is fake, but it's still a different argument. People are right when they say Trump wasn't calling nazis fine people, just as people are right the protesters who stuck around and hung with the nazis aren't fine people either.
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Veggeta_MAX posted...

One of my truest logic has always been "You are who you keep as company". If your company is Nazis then lemme tell you something...

Antifa and BLM, who joined the counter protestors, brought and used: threw plastic water bottles filled with piss, shit, and paint at and onto statue protestors; M-80s; lighted hairspray turning it into a mini-flamethrower and directed the flame at the original protestors; punched and kicked the original protestors as they were forced to leave the park by police through a narrow exit. So, we are to lump the peaceful counter protestors with the thugs of Antifa and BLM?
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There were not fine people on both sides. Full stop. Trump was wrong as always.
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BillyKidd posted...

Veggeta_MAX posted...

One of my truest logic has always been "You are who you keep as company". If your company is Nazis then lemme tell you something...

Antifa and BLM, who joined the counter protestors, brought and used: threw plastic water bottles filled with piss, shit, and paint at and onto statue protestors; M-80s; lighted hairspray turning it into a mini-flamethrower and directed the flame at the original protestors; punched and kicked the original protestors as they were forced to leave the park by police through a narrow exit. So, we are to lump the peaceful counter protestors with the thugs of Antifa and BLM?

Which side murdered someone?

Now shut the fuck up and close your account.
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s0nicfan posted...

The Great Muta 22 posted...

That's an accurate argument though, why do you think it's fake?

Jk I know why, and that's because I remember your reaction that day in topics about Charlottesville.

I'm not saying the argument is fake, but it's still a different argument. People are right when they say Trump wasn't calling nazis fine people, just as people are right the protesters who stuck around and hung with the nazis aren't fine people either.

So what you're saying is, Donnie was wrong to say there were "fine people on both sides" since 1 side had either Nazis or people who were fine with Nazis? Cool.
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Heineken14 posted...

s0nicfan posted...

The Great Muta 22 posted...

That's an accurate argument though, why do you think it's fake?

Jk I know why, and that's because I remember your reaction that day in topics about Charlottesville.

I'm not saying the argument is fake, but it's still a different argument. People are right when they say Trump wasn't calling nazis fine people, just as people are right the protesters who stuck around and hung with the nazis aren't fine people either.

So what you're saying is, Donnie was wrong to say there were "fine people on both sides" since 1 side had either Nazis or people who were fine with Nazis? Cool.

What I'm saying is exactly what I said:

People are right when they say Trump wasn't calling nazis fine people, just as people are right the protesters who stuck around and hung with the nazis aren't fine people either.

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gaslighting as usual
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s0nicfan posted...

Heineken14 posted...

s0nicfan posted...

The Great Muta 22 posted...

That's an accurate argument though, why do you think it's fake?

Jk I know why, and that's because I remember your reaction that day in topics about Charlottesville.

I'm not saying the argument is fake, but it's still a different argument. People are right when they say Trump wasn't calling nazis fine people, just as people are right the protesters who stuck around and hung with the nazis aren't fine people either.

So what you're saying is, Donnie was wrong to say there were "fine people on both sides" since 1 side had either Nazis or people who were fine with Nazis? Cool.

What I'm saying is exactly what I said:

People are right when they say Trump wasn't calling nazis fine people, just as people are right the protesters who stuck around and hung with the nazis aren't fine people either.

So I was right. Cool.
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RebelElite791 posted...

BillyKidd posted...

Veggeta_MAX posted...

One of my truest logic has always been "You are who you keep as company". If your company is Nazis then lemme tell you something...

Antifa and BLM, who joined the counter protestors, brought and used: threw plastic water bottles filled with piss, shit, and paint at and onto statue protestors; M-80s; lighted hairspray turning it into a mini-flamethrower and directed the flame at the original protestors; punched and kicked the original protestors as they were forced to leave the park by police through a narrow exit. So, we are to lump the peaceful counter protestors with the thugs of Antifa and BLM?

Which side murdered someone?

Now shut the fuck up and close your account.

Keep moving those goalposts junior.
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Heineken14 posted...

s0nicfan posted...

Heineken14 posted...

s0nicfan posted...

The Great Muta 22 posted...

That's an accurate argument though, why do you think it's fake?

Jk I know why, and that's because I remember your reaction that day in topics about Charlottesville.

I'm not saying the argument is fake, but it's still a different argument. People are right when they say Trump wasn't calling nazis fine people, just as people are right the protesters who stuck around and hung with the nazis aren't fine people either.

So what you're saying is, Donnie was wrong to say there were "fine people on both sides" since 1 side had either Nazis or people who were fine with Nazis? Cool.

What I'm saying is exactly what I said:

People are right when they say Trump wasn't calling nazis fine people, just as people are right the protesters who stuck around and hung with the nazis aren't fine people either.

So I was right. Cool.

You and coh are both right.
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brestugo posted...

gaslighting as usual

Tbh that pisses me off as much as any other aspect of this
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s0nicfan posted...

Heineken14 posted...

s0nicfan posted...

The Great Muta 22 posted...

That's an accurate argument though, why do you think it's fake?

Jk I know why, and that's because I remember your reaction that day in topics about Charlottesville.

I'm not saying the argument is fake, but it's still a different argument. People are right when they say Trump wasn't calling nazis fine people, just as people are right the protesters who stuck around and hung with the nazis aren't fine people either.

So what you're saying is, Donnie was wrong to say there were "fine people on both sides" since 1 side had either Nazis or people who were fine with Nazis? Cool.

What I'm saying is exactly what I said:

People are right when they say Trump wasn't calling nazis fine people, just as people are right the protesters who stuck around and hung with the nazis aren't fine people either.

So he wasn't calling Nazis fine people, just people who joined with Nazis and did the same things as Nazis, and that is meaningfully different?

They are morally equivalent actors and distracting from that with semantics is a bad look. Calling people who would riot with Nazis fine people is the same as calling Nazis fine people, especially in light of the fundamentally disgusting and racist purpose of the event.
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BillyKidd posted...

RebelElite791 posted...

BillyKidd posted...

Veggeta_MAX posted...

One of my truest logic has always been "You are who you keep as company". If your company is Nazis then lemme tell you something...

Antifa and BLM, who joined the counter protestors, brought and used: threw plastic water bottles filled with piss, shit, and paint at and onto statue protestors; M-80s; lighted hairspray turning it into a mini-flamethrower and directed the flame at the original protestors; punched and kicked the original protestors as they were forced to leave the park by police through a narrow exit. So, we are to lump the peaceful counter protestors with the thugs of Antifa and BLM?

Which side murdered someone?

Now shut the fuck up and close your account.

Keep moving those goalposts junior.

lmao what
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BillyKidd posted...

Antifa and BLM, who joined the counter protestors, brought and used: threw plastic water bottles filled with piss, shit, and paint at and onto statue protestors; M-80s; lighted hairspray turning it into a mini-flamethrower and directed the flame at the original protestors; punched and kicked the original protestors as they were forced to leave the park by police through a narrow exit. So, we are to lump the peaceful counter protestors with the thugs of Antifa and BLM?

The groups that went there to rally around the Robert E Lee statue brought shields, poles, guns, had fighting training sessions prior, beat people the night before at their torch walk, threw gasoline on protesters at the torch walk and threatened to "burn the *****", bloodied and beat innocent victims, threatened to burn down synagogues outside of said places, etc. People from literal neo-nazi street gangs like Atomwaffen and RAM were directly involved in the organization and training of the rally.

Hence why plenty of those directly involved with that have been charged and convicted by the courts for their crimes and why those who orgnaized the event have faced lawsuits after lawsuits for their involvement and why their "rally" was deemed an unlawful assembly due to their violence. All of the shit I said is documented through the court, unlike your shitty narrative clinging to biased YouTube videos telling you what happened. Gtfo
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Literally crying about Nazis being hit with water bottles lmao. Least of what they deserved to have happen to their pathetic Nazi asses.
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When someone first enters a topic, and their first post is to indirectly defend Nazis (and directly attempt to change the original subject while doing so)...

You can usually safely assume that they have no intention to argue in good faith.
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Here's my personal favorite "Thank You, Steve" moment

https://twitter.com/davidmackau/status/1081270057475416064?s=19
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The Great Muta 22 posted...

BillyKidd posted...

Antifa and BLM, who joined the counter protestors, brought and used: threw plastic water bottles filled with piss, shit, and paint at and onto statue protestors; M-80s; lighted hairspray turning it into a mini-flamethrower and directed the flame at the original protestors; punched and kicked the original protestors as they were forced to leave the park by police through a narrow exit. So, we are to lump the peaceful counter protestors with the thugs of Antifa and BLM?

The groups that went there to rally around the Robert E Lee statue brought shields, poles, guns, had fighting training sessions prior, beat people the night before at their torch walk, threw gasoline on protesters at the torch walk and threatened to "burn the *****", bloodied and beat innocent victims, threatened to burn down synagogues outside of said places, etc. People from literal neo-nazi street gangs like Atomwaffen and RAM were directly involved in the organization and training of the rally.

Hence why plenty of those directly involved with that have been charged and convicted by the courts for their crimes and why those who orgnaized the event have faced lawsuits after lawsuits for their involvement and why their "rally" was deemed an unlawful assembly due to their violence. All of the shit I said is documented through the court, unlike your shitty narrative clinging to biased YouTube videos telling you what happened. Gtfo

It's actually based on watching hours of livestream footage; some of which, yes, was uploaded to youtube uncut. If you watch them, you'd see the white supremacists were separated from the regular folk there to just protest the statue takedown/renaming of the park, yet those separated from the fucking nazis are the ones being attacked by Antifa/BLM. When it comes down to providing shitty narratives, perhaps, you should start by looking in the mirror.
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legendary_zell posted...

s0nicfan posted...

Heineken14 posted...

s0nicfan posted...

The Great Muta 22 posted...

That's an accurate argument though, why do you think it's fake?

Jk I know why, and that's because I remember your reaction that day in topics about Charlottesville.

I'm not saying the argument is fake, but it's still a different argument. People are right when they say Trump wasn't calling nazis fine people, just as people are right the protesters who stuck around and hung with the nazis aren't fine people either.

So what you're saying is, Donnie was wrong to say there were "fine people on both sides" since 1 side had either Nazis or people who were fine with Nazis? Cool.

What I'm saying is exactly what I said:

People are right when they say Trump wasn't calling nazis fine people, just as people are right the protesters who stuck around and hung with the nazis aren't fine people either.

So he wasn't calling Nazis fine people, just people who joined with Nazis and did the same things as Nazis, and that is meaningfully different?

They are morally equivalent actors and distracting from that with semantics is a bad look. Calling people who would riot with Nazis fine people is the same as calling Nazis fine people, especially in light of the fundamentally disgusting and racist purpose of the event.

I think in a country where there is an actual debate over whether it is acceptable to punch a nazi if you see one, it's not just "semantics" in how you take people (even bad people) who aren't nazis and just call them nazis because it's politically expedient. If nazis don't deserve a voice or a platform, then you can't ALSO just casually decide that people who are "close enough" fall into the same category anyway. That's just straight up authoritarianism.

I'm not here because I want to defend nazis. Fuck them. I'm here in this topic because I fundamentally disagree with the "well let's just call these other people nazis too even though they aren't" attitude.
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CyricZ posted...

I don't really think anyone here actually needs this, but here it is anyway.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4T45Sbkndjc" data-time="

its so obvious but its still entertaining to watch this.

basically state run news propa
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s0nicfan posted...

legendary_zell posted...

s0nicfan posted...

Heineken14 posted...

s0nicfan posted...

The Great Muta 22 posted...

That's an accurate argument though, why do you think it's fake?

Jk I know why, and that's because I remember your reaction that day in topics about Charlottesville.

I'm not saying the argument is fake, but it's still a different argument. People are right when they say Trump wasn't calling nazis fine people, just as people are right the protesters who stuck around and hung with the nazis aren't fine people either.

So what you're saying is, Donnie was wrong to say there were "fine people on both sides" since 1 side had either Nazis or people who were fine with Nazis? Cool.

What I'm saying is exactly what I said:

People are right when they say Trump wasn't calling nazis fine people, just as people are right the protesters who stuck around and hung with the nazis aren't fine people either.

So he wasn't calling Nazis fine people, just people who joined with Nazis and did the same things as Nazis, and that is meaningfully different?

They are morally equivalent actors and distracting from that with semantics is a bad look. Calling people who would riot with Nazis fine people is the same as calling Nazis fine people, especially in light of the fundamentally disgusting and racist purpose of the event.

I think in a country where there is an actual debate over whether it is acceptable to punch a nazi if you see one, it's not just "semantics" in how you take people (even bad people) who aren't nazis and just call them nazis because it's politically expedient. If nazis don't deserve a voice or a platform, then you can't ALSO just casually decide that people who are "close enough" fall into the same category anyway. That's just straight up authoritarianism.

I'm not here because I want to defend nazis. Fuck them. I'm here in this topic because I fundamentally disagree with the "well let's just call these other people nazis too even though they aren't" attitude.

It's not because it's politically convenient or because of a "close enough" attitude. It's because when put next to each other, they unite and act in concert with each other to have a racist riot. I don't know how it could be clearer they are functionally identical, whatever stories they tell others or themselves to avoid the Nazi stigma. They prove it with their own actions.

This only applies to the people who freaking stayed after seeing people Nazi salute in the streets. These are the people you're spending calories typing to defend and the people Trump called fine.
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So google/YouTube and all of Hollywood and every rich person who isnt a registered republican and the Canadian government and most news media in existence.... who else is in on this massive conspiracy against poor old Donald?

If he wasnt the president hed be forced to undergo a month long psychiatric evaluation ffs.
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Or is simply saying "I'm not a Nazi" enough to absolve you when you riot with Nazis in defense of confederate statues?
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BillyKidd posted...

It's actually based on watching hours of livestream footage; some of which, yes, was uploaded to youtube uncut. If you watch them, you'd see the white supremacists were separated from the regular folk there to just protest the statue takedown/renaming of the park, yet those separated from the fucking nazis are the ones being attacked by Antifa/BLM. When it comes down to providing shitty narratives, perhaps, you should start by looking in the mirror.

I watched the damn thing as it unfolded live, uncut, on live streams at the time, so save your breath claiming I'm pushing a narrative after the fact. There was no "regular folk there to just protest the statue takedown", those people have never existed and there's not ONE example you can actually give me of them being there, nor has a single person came out after the fact to claim they are one. Those people were NOT the ones being attacked, and you cannot provide any evidence of that being the case because that evidence simply does not exist.

Likewise the entire event was promoted and created to be a unification of white nationalist, neo confederate, neo nazis, and other various groups "uniting" in a public space to show unity. It was fucking promoted as such through flyers and even acknowledged as such by people such as Gavin McInness, who pleaded for his Proud Boys not to attend due to what it actually was, and was acknowledged as such on various platforms such as The_Donald subreddit in their promotion of the event where they called for people attending to not "punch right" against people they may find extreme. Frankly, the fact you're trying to pretend as if this mythical group of innocent people were there and coexisting separately from the entire thing is flat out wrong and if you feel like there was, provide me with ANY documentation of such people.
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Good night
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The Great Muta 22 posted...

BillyKidd posted...

It's actually based on watching hours of livestream footage; some of which, yes, was uploaded to youtube uncut. If you watch them, you'd see the white supremacists were separated from the regular folk there to just protest the statue takedown/renaming of the park, yet those separated from the fucking nazis are the ones being attacked by Antifa/BLM. When it comes down to providing shitty narratives, perhaps, you should start by looking in the mirror.

I watched the damn thing as it unfolded live, uncut, on live streams at the time, so save your breath claiming I'm pushing a narrative after the fact. There was no "regular folk there to just protest the statue takedown", those people have never existed and there's not ONE example you can actually give me of them being there, nor has a single person came out after the fact to claim they are one. Those people were NOT the ones being attacked, and you cannot provide any evidence of that being the case because that evidence simply does not exist.

Likewise the entire event was promoted and created to be a unification of white nationalist, neo confederate, neo nazis, and other various groups "uniting" in a public space to show unity. It was fucking promoted as such through flyers and even acknowledged as such by people such as Gavin McInness, who pleaded for his Proud Boys not to attend due to what it actually was, and was acknowledged as such on various platforms such as The_Donald subreddit in their promotion of the event where they called for people attending to not "punch right" against people they may find extreme. Frankly, the fact you're trying to pretend as if this mythical group of innocent people were there and coexisting separately from the entire thing is flat out wrong and if you feel like there was, provide me with ANY documentation of such people.

They will never ever acknowledge this. It explodes one of the pillars of their world view, that libs and leftists and the media are unfairly branding millions of regular people as alt right, and purposefully misreading the president's words to tar him as a white nationalist sympathizer. The event was called Unite the Right and had the stated purpose of building connections between groups that are all racist trash. It was openly organized by Jason Kessler and Richard Spencer.

Anyone who showed up to that and wasn't a counter protester is a deplorable, a racist, and a member of the alt right. Not a single fine person to be found, point blank, periodt.
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Ahhh yes empathizing with nazis. Classic diplomacy.

Holy fuck the wilful delusion is incredible.
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fenderbender321 posted...

1. Nobody knows how many if any were non extremists. Both sides are going to point at each other and say "it's on you to prove there was/wasn't".

If you're showing up for a rally organized by white supremacists and you're not there to protest them, you're on the wrong side.

fenderbender321 posted...

Tired-Insomniac posted...

fenderbender321 posted...

1. Nobody knows how many if any were non extremists. Both sides are going to point at each other and say "it's on you to prove there was/wasn't".

If you're showing up for a rally organized by white supremacists and you're not there to protest them, you're on the wrong side.

"If you're not with us, you're against us!"

Thats either disingenuous as all fuck and you know it or its just a big ol yikes.
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CanuckCowboy posted...

Thats either disingenuous as all fuck

Yes, it is a fender post
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