Current Events > Is there really a reason to hire illegals when we have Americans with no work?

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Example: the 680 person raid at the meat processing factory in Mississippi or the shortage of fruit pickers

they can fill those spots with American workers cant they?

Sure companies have to give them high pay, benefits, 401K and such but isnt it worth it for these companies to get Americans working?
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AzNDarkSamurai posted...

they can fill those spots with American workers cant they?

sure, they can, but the market doesnt want lazy, entitled Americans and favors the hard working migrants who are willing to work for min wage and not complain.
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Giant_Aspirin posted...

sure, they can, but the market doesnt want lazy, entitled Americans and favors the hard working migrants who are willing to work for min wage and not complain.

Assuming all Americans are this way lol. What a warped imagination you have

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inloveanddeath0 posted...

Giant_Aspirin posted...

sure, they can, but the market doesnt want lazy, entitled Americans and favors the hard working migrants who are willing to work for min wage and not complain.

Assuming all Americans are this way lol. What a warped imagination you have

there's plenty of evidence to suggest there are jobs that americans simply won't do (at a feasible wage for employers)

https://www.latimes.com/projects/la-fi-farms-immigration/

Some farmers are even giving laborers benefits normally reserved for white-collar professionals, like 401(k) plans, health insurance, subsidized housing and profit-sharing bonuses. Full-timers at Silverado Farming, for example, get most of those sweeteners, plus 10 paid vacation days, eight paid holidays, and can earn their hourly rate to take English classes.

But the raises and new perks have not tempted native-born Americans to leave their day jobs for the fields. Nine in 10 agriculture workers in California are still foreign born, and more than half are undocumented, according to a federal survey.

Instead, companies growing high-value crops, like Cabernet Sauvignon grapes in Napa, are luring employees from fields in places like Stockton that produce cheaper wine grapes or less profitable fruits and vegetables.
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https://www.newsobserver.com/news/business/article160086719.html

Every April, about 30 immigrants board a bus in Mexico and travel nearly 2,000 miles to Jackie Thompsons farm in Rolesville, where they harvest roughly 600,000 pounds of tobacco.

Its an agreement that can help everyone involved: Immigrants need money to provide for their families, and Thompson needs help to run his 900-acre farm. Every year he sells tobacco, 18,000 pounds of soybeans, 25 bushels of wheat and 10,000 bushels of cucumbers to tobacco companies and commercial food producers.

About 80,000 farmworkers primarily Latino migrants and immigrants as well as U.S. natives toil on farms in North Carolina, where agriculture still plays a major role, according to the N.C. Farm Bureau. Advocacy groups put that number closer to 150,000.

Roughly half are undocumented immigrants, although many have been living in North Carolina for decades, according to the bureau. About 25 percent come to work in the U.S. temporarily through the federal H-2A visa program.

Only one-fourth of the states farmworkers, a mix of immigrants and U.S. nationals, live in North Carolina permanently.
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AzNDarkSamurai posted...

Sure companies have to give them high pay, benefits, 401K and such but isnt it worth it for these companies to get Americans working?

Why do that when you can hire a bunch of immigrants who will work harder for half the pay and you can buy a third vacation home for your mistress?

you have to remember that 70% of working age Americans are overweight and lmost 40% are obese, you really think those blimps are gonna start willingly taking up farming work and shit like that?
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Do you think American want to do dirty job with low salary?

I don't think so
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I would. Someone gets me an application to these places.
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AzNDarkSamurai posted...

they can fill those spots with American workers cant they?

They can, provided those American workers are also exempt from minimum wage requirements.

https://psmag.com/social-justice/anti-immigrant-policies-are-returning-prisoners-to-the-fields
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Antifar posted...

AzNDarkSamurai posted...

they can fill those spots with American workers cant they?

They can, provided those American workers are also exempt from minimum wage requirements.

https://psmag.com/social-justice/anti-immigrant-policies-are-returning-prisoners-to-the-fields

and also if those americans have no realistic alternative options because they are incarcerated lol
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do think that merican peeple lyk me that wen 2 gud skool wont a job lyk dis i wen 2 skool to job can b easy & no werk hard
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Antifar posted...

AzNDarkSamurai posted...

they can fill those spots with American workers cant they?

They can, provided those American workers are also exempt from minimum wage requirements.

https://psmag.com/social-justice/anti-immigrant-policies-are-returning-prisoners-to-the-fields

That's the real reason conservatives want heavy anti-immigration policies. Government enforced slavery is much cheaper.
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AzNDarkSamurai posted...

Sure companies have to give them high pay, benefits, 401K and such but isnt it worth it for these companies to get Americans working?

the giant companies dont give a shit about Americans having work. they only care about their bottom line
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Giant_Aspirin posted...

sure, they can, but the market doesnt want lazy, entitled Americans and favors the hard working migrants who are willing to work for min wage and not complain.

Please lets not pretend that that there arent multiple motivators at play, and undocumented immigrants are purely more productive because of an better work ethic.

Fear of being reported leading to deportation, inability to access better paying jobs, lack of access to social welfare programs, and minimal to no family support are just a few of the contributors for better or worse.

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Americans don't want those jobs
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Most Americans today are neither willing nor physically capable of doing these jobs.

Balrog0 posted...

earn their hourly rate to take English classes.

But the raises and new perks have not tempted native-born Americans to leave their day jobs for the fields.

Well yeah who would leave if they already had a job and English classes isn't a big sell for people that already speak it.
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fhqwhgads posted...

Balrog0 posted...

earn their hourly rate to take English classes.

But the raises and new perks have not tempted native-born Americans to leave their day jobs for the fields.

Well yeah who would leave if they already had a job and English classes isn't a big sell for people that already speak it.

yeah because that is clearly the biggest selling point and not the 401ks, subsidized housing, health insurance, and paid time off that you for some inexplicable (I just really cant guess why!) reason you skipped over
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Balrog0 posted...

fhqwhgads posted...

Balrog0 posted...

earn their hourly rate to take English classes.

But the raises and new perks have not tempted native-born Americans to leave their day jobs for the fields.

Well yeah who would leave if they already had a job and English classes isn't a big sell for people that already speak it.

yeah because that is clearly the biggest selling point and not the 401ks, subsidized housing, health insurance, and paid time off that you for some inexplicable (I just really cant guess why!) reason you skipped over

Other than subsidized housing those are all p standard.
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fhqwhgads posted...

Other than subsidized housing those are all p standard.

I'm sure it probably seems that way from where you're sitting but only half of american households have any stocks, including 401ks. It's very much not standard for blue collar work
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ArchiePeck posted...

Most Americans today are neither willing nor physically capable of doing these jobs.

where are some stats to back up this claim?
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Balrog0 posted...

fhqwhgads posted...

Other than subsidized housing those are all p standard.

I'm sure it probably seems that way from where you're sitting but only half of american households have any stocks, including 401ks. It's very much not standard for blue collar work

That's more of a "I choose not to thing because I live paycheck to paycheck" not a " its not available to me" thing. I have to practically beg some of my employees to take advantage of our 401k.
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Boggles the mind that quite literally the most important job on earth, food production, is apparently worth less than nothing.

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fhqwhgads posted...

That's more of a "I choose not to thing because I live paycheck to paycheck" not a " its not available to me" thing. I have to practically beg some of my employees to take advantage of our 401k.

ok bud
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Balrog0 posted...

Some farmers are even giving laborers benefits normally reserved for white-collar professionals, like 401(k) plans, health insurance, subsidized housing and profit-sharing bonuses. Full-timers at Silverado Farming, for example, get most of those sweeteners, plus 10 paid vacation days, eight paid holidays, and can earn their hourly rate to take English classes.

Looks like no openings there.
Wanted to see what their job requirements were.

Americans are too lazy and entitled to do those jobs. They wont accept pay below the minimum wage or a lack of benefits. We should let those illegal immigrants continue working here.

Fear of being reported leading to deportation, inability to access better paying jobs, lack of access to social welfare programs, and minimal to no family support are just a few of the contributors for better or worse.

Worth it, not gonna pay several dollars just for one piece of fruit, we need those farm goods at a cheap price.
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bump
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I like the angle of "theyre hard workers" and not "minorities living in poverty being exploited for cheap labor".

You know why they work hard? Do you think its because of the color of their skin?

The cotton industry was hurt by the abolishment of slavery. Preserving a market based on exploitation shouldnt take priority over starving families.
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RoadsterUFO posted...

Jerry_Hellyeah posted...

I like the angle of "theyre hard workers" and not "minorities living in poverty being exploited for cheap labor".

You know why they work hard? Do you think its because of the color of their skin?

The cotton industry was hurt by the abolishment of slavery. Preserving a market based on exploitation shouldnt take priority over starving families.

They wouldnt be coming here illegally if what theyre able to work for wasnt a better alternative to what they have going on in their native country. Spare people your fake humanitarian speech.

What you just said was a notion used to justify slavery by General Lee.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/06/the-myth-of-the-kindly-general-lee/529038/

The censored are immeasurably better off here than in Africa, morally, socially & physically.

Point.
If what you said is true, that doesn't make it right if indeed it is exploitative labor.

Americans view themselves as too good for the type of labor that illegal immigrants get hired to perform
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RoadsterUFO posted...

Immigrating to another country for employment opportunity illegally to work cheap labor jobs is a choice.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aItfxSRG-rU" data-time="

Exploitation comes through need. Choice between two bad options is an illusion.

RoadsterUFO posted...

A lame VICE video isnt a rebuttal to what I said. If leftists like you had their way with your bulls*** humanitarian care, people like my mother, aunt, etc. wouldve never been allowed the opportunity to come here to make their lives better because you decided that they were exploited on their behalf.

Are they illegal? How would Trump and ICE respond to meeting them?
So are you sure you want to say leftists are the problem?

prices go up if employ american's at a full wage.
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RoadsterUFO posted...

Address what I said, instead of deflecting to your sorry ass But Trump! But conservatives! non-argument. Explain how pricing out minimal skilled immigrants out of cheap labor jobs by forcing employers to pay them $15 an hour (or whatever you dub a fair wage) + benefits is supposed to help immigrants out? Congrats, instead of being exploited by youre definition, you left them without any option whatsoever of coming to the United States for employment opportunity.

How is paying them more going to help them?
Is this an honest question?

if we could rely on each American to work as hard as they do their first week on the job, sure. but most of these lazy, entitled fuckers act as if they're too qualified to do what's asked of them. then they do half assed jobs because they "don't like it."

there are plenty who apply for jobs where they know damn well they don't meet the requested qualifications, but get upset when an immigrant who took their time and sacrificed to get those qualifications gets the job.

when people stop acting like they're owed something that wasn't promised or earned by/for them, people might be more appreciative of opportunities.

right now there's a guy who slacked so hard that he barely passed high school and his biggest life achievement is getting the nuke in Call of Duty, but he thinks he's too good to work at Wendy's and even makes burger flipping jokes.
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Because every American thinks they're entitled to 1 million a year CEO jobs and look down on people earning less.

That is why immigrants are hired.
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AGAIN, where are the STATISTICS, DATA, and EVIDENCE to back up the loaded claim of AMERICANS ARE TOO LAZY TO WORK THESE JOBS?!! Nothing ****** me off more than loaded general statements like this because they always go unchecked and are thrown around like Halloween candy. I agree that most Americans do not go to college to be uber drivers and farm laborers afterwards. However, these aren't the only jobs that economic migrants are working. I have worked in a food processing factory before and it did pay exceptionally well compared to your dumb service job in fast food or retail. Did I want to do that type of work for the rest of my life? Hell no, but there were many Americans without degrees that benefited from working there.
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All these owners, bosses, CEOs care about is how can I maximize my profits, so that I have a lot of money? Let's see if I can pay this group only $3 and don't have to offer them benefits then I can be rich.

Didn't Donald Trump also hire illegals?

AzNDarkSamurai posted...

Example: the 680 person raid at the meat processing factory in Mississippi or the shortage of fruit pickers

they can fill those spots with American workers cant they?

Sure companies have to give them high pay, benefits, 401K and such but isnt it worth it for these companies to get Americans working?

i lold
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