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HeroDelTiempo17 08/08/19 11:59:02 AM #251:	Wanglicious posted... and what exactly would this "one huge thing" be? because it ain't "The Great Replacement." the idea's simple enough, one generation being fully replaced in the next on every aspect. not a new concept, not what's pushed. also arguably not even the right Great Replacement since Christchurch's manifesto is called that and neither of those parties agrees with it either. hell, in terms of immigration the two don't align well either: Trump has no problem with corporations becoming stronger, which strengthens the appeal of immigration, which is something El Paso's shooter had major issues with and why he didn't like Republicans. You are arguing over gritty details that don't really matter, as if white nationalism is something you can have a nuanced stance on. White nationalism is the connecting thread. I have no idea if Trump has read either manifesto or the book and it doesn't matter. If you don't see how Trump wanting to keep out latino immigrants and Muslims but wants more immigrants from predominately white European countries, and how that aligns broadly with white supremacist ideals and the idea that white culture is being erased by diversity then you honestly aren't worth discussing this with. The absolute most charitable case that can be applied here is that the rise of alt-right groups, white supremacy, and nationalism is a worldwide phenomenon and that Trump is both a symptom and enabler of it. It's still all connected. --- DPOblivion was far more determined than me. <cite>HeroDelTiempo17 posted [p:925795314] in Politics C... [t:77920442]...</cite> <quote>Wanglicious posted...</cite> <quote> and what exactly would this "one huge thing" be? because it ain't "The Great Replacement." the idea's simple enough, one generation being fully replaced in the next on every aspect. not a new concept, not what's pushed. also arguably not even the right Great Replacement since Christchurch's manifesto is called that and neither of those parties agrees with it either. hell, in terms of immigration the two don't align well either: Trump has no problem with corporations becoming stronger, which strengthens the appeal of immigration, which is something El Paso's shooter had major issues with and why he didn't like Republicans.</quote> You are arguing over gritty details that don't really matter, as if white nationalism is something you can have a nuanced stance on. White nationalism is the connecting thread. I have no idea if Trump has read either manifesto or the book and it doesn't matter. If you don't see how Trump wanting to keep out latino immigrants and Muslims but wants more immigrants from predominately white European countries, and how that aligns broadly with white supremacist ideals and the idea that white culture is being erased by diversity then you honestly aren't worth discussing this with. The absolute most charitable case that can be applied here is that the rise of alt-right groups, white supremacy, and nationalism is a worldwide phenomenon and that Trump is both a symptom and enabler of it. It's still all connected.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 08/08/19 12:07:01 PM #252:	Wanglicious posted... a Norwegian who killed 77 people and b**es about not having a PS3 in prison. Yet another link between video games and violence --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:925795612] in Politics C... [t:77920442]...</cite> <quote>Wanglicious posted...</cite> <quote>a Norwegian who killed 77 people and b**es about not having a PS3 in prison. </quote> Yet another link between video games and violence</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Peace___Frog 08/08/19 12:19:33 PM #253:	https://twitter.com/joshtpm/status/1159490210759139329 But trump has nothing to do with the increase in hate crimes, sure --- ~Peaf~ <cite>Peace___Frog posted [p:925796079] in Politics C... [t:77920442]...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/joshtpm/status/1159490210759139329 But trump has nothing to do with the increase in hate crimes, sure</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Wanglicious 08/08/19 12:23:30 PM #254:	Reg posted... Pretending that Donald's rhetoric has not been inflammatory and pro-white supremacist (and thus may have spurred the El Paso shooter to violent action on some level, even if he didn't inspire the beliefs that motivated the shooting) is disingenious and disgusting at best. the rhetoric is inflammatory. "and thus may have..." beliefs predate Trump. other beliefs, including his personal motivations, run counter to, or are irrelevant, to Trump's. he agreed with a mass shooter's manifesto. he himself says he didn't pick a target until probably said manifesto. this part is unclear since they have the same title though timeline-wise it'd make sense if it's the same document. both the above things are right in the first paragraph. ...but it's Trump's words at fault here? even though he clearly said otherwise and clearly said who and what inspired him? HashtagSEP posted... So his beliefs predate Trump yet he didn't take action until months after the shooting he's supposedly a copycat of. Wonder why that is. Surely it's not because these beliefs are becoming more widespread and "acceptable" due to the every day rhetoric of somebody in a position of power, thus encouraging the turning of more privately held thoughts into action. Naaaaah. uh... it's been five months. this is not a long time. for some mimicking the attack is hitting up a similar target area - that happened already. but if you're talking about someone who copies not just the attack but also the radicalization, that takes more time. there's a reason he wrote a manifesto too - he also wants to inspire others to kill the same way he was. what made him snap, i don't know. could you try to blame rhetoric, sure. Trump's rhetoric, heavy media coverage on migration, you could try aiming for both, though the shooter doesn't particularly seem to agree with that. doesn't make particular sense in the timeline either - if that was his concern he'd have done stuff last year. Migrant caravan story was at its peak in 2018 yet there were no plans then, probably no target group (this again depends on whether he means the manifesto or the book), and definitely no action intended. that all happens in March 2019. there was no issue with him and Trump's rhetoric or the media coverage despite happening well before anything was thought of, yet after a shooting happens everything clicks. why would either of those be considered the factor that makes him snap here when they existed long before any action was even considered? you want to know what made him take action, i'd much sooner point to what he says in his personal bit: he feels like he has no future. half of all American jobs will be removed by automation in the next few decades, including his dream job. you want a rhetoric to make him snap, how about including that one, would you blame Yang for it? because that talk actually fits time-wise, Yang only started taking off in early 2019. argument there would be that by overblowing the issues of automation he helped drive this guy to despair. personally i wouldn't blame either. trump and media don't match the timeline, yang has nothing to do with the reality of automation, though if you want to say the input helped, i mean... okay. but what's the primary motivation, what inspired him, what made him take action? Christchurch shooter, plain and simple. --- "Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel. <cite>Wanglicious posted [p:925796220] in Politics C... [t:77920442]...</cite> <quote>Reg posted...</cite> <quote>Pretending that Donald's rhetoric has not been inflammatory and pro-white supremacist (and thus may have spurred the El Paso shooter to violent action on some level, even if he didn't inspire the beliefs that motivated the shooting) is disingenious and disgusting at best.</quote> the rhetoric is inflammatory. "and thus may have..." beliefs predate Trump. other beliefs, including his personal motivations, run counter to, or are irrelevant, to Trump's. he agreed with a mass shooter's manifesto. he himself says he didn't pick a target until probably said manifesto. this part is unclear since they have the same title though timeline-wise it'd make sense if it's the same document. both the above things are right in the first paragraph. ...but it's Trump's words at fault here? even though he clearly said otherwise and clearly said who and what inspired him? HashtagSEP posted...</cite> <quote>So his beliefs predate Trump yet he didn't take action until months after the shooting he's supposedly a copycat of. Wonder why that is. Surely it's not because these beliefs are becoming more widespread and "acceptable" due to the every day rhetoric of somebody in a position of power, thus encouraging the turning of more privately held thoughts into action. Naaaaah.</quote> uh... it's been five months. this is not a long time. for some mimicking the attack is hitting up a similar target area - that happened already. but if you're talking about someone who copies not just the attack but also the radicalization, that takes more time. there's a reason he wrote a manifesto too - he also wants to inspire others to kill the same way he was. what made him snap, i don't know. could you try to blame rhetoric, sure. Trump's rhetoric, heavy media coverage on migration, you could try aiming for both, though the shooter doesn't particularly seem to agree with that. doesn't make particular sense in the timeline either - if that was his concern he'd have done stuff last year. Migrant caravan story was at its peak in 2018 yet there were no plans then, probably no target group (this again depends on whether he means the manifesto or the book), and definitely no action intended. that all happens in March 2019. there was no issue with him and Trump's rhetoric or the media coverage despite happening well before anything was thought of, yet after a shooting happens everything clicks. why would either of those be considered the factor that makes him snap here when they existed long before any action was even considered? you want to know what made him take action, i'd much sooner point to what he says in his personal bit: he feels like he has no future. half of all American jobs will be removed by automation in the next few decades, including his dream job. you want a rhetoric to make him snap, how about including that one, would you blame Yang for it? because that talk actually fits time-wise, Yang only started taking off in early 2019. argument there would be that by overblowing the issues of automation he helped drive this guy to despair. personally i wouldn't blame either. trump and media don't match the timeline, yang has nothing to do with the reality of automation, though if you want to say the input helped, i mean... okay. but what's the primary motivation, what inspired him, what made him take action? Christchurch shooter, plain and simple.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 08/08/19 12:27:14 PM #255:	What do you think a good solution to these societal issues is, Wang? --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:925796361] in Politics C... [t:77920442]...</cite> <quote>What do you think a good solution to these societal issues is, Wang?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Leafeon13N 08/08/19 12:27:51 PM #256:	The idea that Trump doesn't inspire these people because they dont align perfectly with his ideals or they were radical prior to Trump is incredibly misguided. Trump has at almost every turn emboldened white supremacists, at multiple points failed to denounce them, and openly supports white nationalism. The fact is these assholes now go out in the world and are seeing a place with a whole bunch of other assholes who think like them. They see a President consistently dehumanizing minority groups and actively encouraging violence. It is naive and honestly toxic to think otherwise. <cite>Leafeon13N posted [p:925796391] in Politics C... [t:77920442]...</cite> <quote>The idea that Trump doesn't inspire these people because they dont align perfectly with his ideals or they were radical prior to Trump is incredibly misguided. Trump has at almost every turn emboldened white supremacists, at multiple points failed to denounce them, and openly supports white nationalism. The fact is these assholes now go out in the world and are seeing a place with a whole bunch of other assholes who think like them. They see a President consistently dehumanizing minority groups and actively encouraging violence. It is naive and honestly toxic to think otherwise.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 08/08/19 12:30:57 PM #257:	HeroDelTiempo17 posted... The absolute most charitable case that can be applied here is that the rise of alt-right groups, white supremacy, and nationalism is a worldwide phenomenon and that Trump is both a symptom and enabler of it. It's still all connected. I would say this is basically my take --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:925796500] in Politics C... [t:77920442]...</cite> <quote>HeroDelTiempo17 posted...</cite> <quote>The absolute most charitable case that can be applied here is that the rise of alt-right groups, white supremacy, and nationalism is a worldwide phenomenon and that Trump is both a symptom and enabler of it. It's still all connected.</quote> I would say this is basically my take</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Leafeon13N 08/08/19 12:31:19 PM #258:	Wang the dregs of the internet where these shooters are getting a chunk of their ideals are openly inspired by Trump. Cut the naive crap. <cite>Leafeon13N posted [p:925796510] in Politics C... [t:77920442]...</cite> <quote>Wang the dregs of the internet where these shooters are getting a chunk of their ideals are openly inspired by Trump. Cut the naive crap.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 08/08/19 12:32:13 PM #259:	Leafeon13N posted... Wang the dregs of the internet where these shooters are getting a chunk of their ideals are openly inspired by Trump. Cut the naive crap. Hes right that they predate Trump though I think enabled is more accurate than inspired --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:925796540] in Politics C... [t:77920442]...</cite> <quote>Leafeon13N posted...</cite> <quote>Wang the dregs of the internet where these shooters are getting a chunk of their ideals are openly inspired by Trump. Cut the naive crap.</quote> Hes right that they predate Trump though I think enabled is more accurate than inspired</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Leafeon13N 08/08/19 12:33:09 PM #260:	Jakyl25 posted... I think enabled is more accurate than inspired Both terms are correct. <cite>Leafeon13N posted [p:925796565] in Politics C... [t:77920442]...</cite> <quote>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote> I think enabled is more accurate than inspired</quote> Both terms are correct.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 08/08/19 12:33:36 PM #261:	Like, if you cast Trump as the root of the problem, then you create a mindset where defeating him in 2020 SOLVES the problem, and we all know thats not true. --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:925796578] in Politics C... [t:77920442]...</cite> <quote>Like, if you cast Trump as the root of the problem, then you create a mindset where defeating him in 2020 SOLVES the problem, and we all know thats not true.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GuessMyUserName 08/08/19 12:35:55 PM #262:	Jakyl25 posted... Leafeon13N posted... Wang the dregs of the internet where these shooters are getting a chunk of their ideals are openly inspired by Trump. Cut the naive crap. Hes right that they predate Trump though I think enabled is more accurate than inspired People can be inspired to do more of what they're already doing. Eg, "you inspired me to do better". --- I request affiliated many pipes. Been a bad girl, I know I am. And I'm so hot, I need a fan. I don't want a boy, I need a man. <cite>GuessMyUserName posted [p:925796676] in Politics C... [t:77920442]...</cite> <quote>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>Leafeon13N posted...</cite> <quote>Wang the dregs of the internet where these shooters are getting a chunk of their ideals are openly inspired by Trump. Cut the naive crap.</quote> Hes right that they predate Trump though I think enabled is more accurate than inspired</quote> People can be inspired to do more of what they're already doing. Eg, "you inspired me to do better".</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 08/08/19 12:46:27 PM #263:	Jakyl25 posted... What do you think a good solution to these societal issues is, Wang? The Democrats should start listening and that means nominating someone like Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren or Tulsi Gabbard or Marianne Williamson. Chuck Schumer should retire. Hillary Clinton should publicly apologize. The Democratic Party should officially repudiate Obamacare and apologize for imposing it on the country. The Democratic Party should apologize for supporting the Iraq War. That would be a good start. After making a full and sincere apology, the Democrats will be able to listen. With listening will come understanding. And with understanding will come solutions. It's painful to think like this, but there are no panaceas, no short-term instant fixes. It will be a long process. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:925797072] in Politics C... [t:77920442]...</cite> <quote>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>What do you think a good solution to these societal issues is, Wang?</quote> The Democrats should start listening and that means nominating someone like Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren or Tulsi Gabbard or Marianne Williamson. Chuck Schumer should retire. Hillary Clinton should publicly apologize. The Democratic Party should officially repudiate Obamacare and apologize for imposing it on the country. The Democratic Party should apologize for supporting the Iraq War. That would be a good start. After making a full and sincere apology, the Democrats will be able to listen. With listening will come understanding. And with understanding will come solutions. It's painful to think like this, but there are no panaceas, no short-term instant fixes. It will be a long process.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dancedreamer 08/08/19 12:46:57 PM #264:	Trump's rhetoric definitely incites violence. He's not the root cause, but he's definitely part of the problem. He's playing the political game in a way that ignores common decency, and it's spreading throughout his party. Just look at those McConnell supporters who groped a cardboard cutout of AOC and had a tombstone with Amy McGrath's name on it. (And yes, Kathy Griffin cutting Trump's head off was awful, since I know conservatives will bring it up and be like "BUT KATHY GRIFFIN!" so I'm getting ahead of this). The difference of course, being that Kathy Griffin issued an apology, while Team Mitch apologized... to cardboard cutouts. --- This isn't funny Dean, the voice says I'm almost out of minutes! ~Alexandra <cite>Dancedreamer posted [p:925797092] in Politics C... [t:77920442]...</cite> <quote>Trump's rhetoric definitely incites violence. He's not the root cause, but he's definitely part of the problem. He's playing the political game in a way that ignores common decency, and it's spreading throughout his party. Just look at those McConnell supporters who groped a cardboard cutout of AOC and had a tombstone with Amy McGrath's name on it. (And yes, Kathy Griffin cutting Trump's head off was awful, since I know conservatives will bring it up and be like "BUT KATHY GRIFFIN!" so I'm getting ahead of this). The difference of course, being that Kathy Griffin issued an apology, while Team Mitch apologized... to cardboard cutouts.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HashtagSEP 08/08/19 12:49:18 PM #265:	Oh, yeah, Trump obviously isn't the root cause, but he's emboldening people who may not have acted out otherwise, and to act like that can't be the case is pretty naive. --- #SEP #Awesome #Excellent #Greatness #SteveNash #VitaminWater #SmellingLikeTheVault #Pigeon #Sexy #ActuallyAVeryIntelligentVelociraptor #Heel #CoolSpot #EndOfSig <cite>HashtagSEP posted [p:925797202] in Politics C... [t:77920442]...</cite> <quote>Oh, yeah, Trump obviously isn't the root cause, but he's emboldening people who may not have acted out otherwise, and to act like that can't be the case is pretty naive.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HeroDelTiempo17 08/08/19 12:50:53 PM #266:	Jakyl25 posted... Like, if you cast Trump as the root of the problem, then you create a mindset where defeating him in 2020 SOLVES the problem, and we all know thats not true. That's very true. The issue is that the argument has become asking if Trump is part of the problem at all. He obviously is, as are the GOP members standing by him, the media refusing to really examine the issue, and even to an extent the Democrats who are painting Trump as its sole source and saying things will go back to normal if he loses the election. Nationalism is a very broad problem. --- DPOblivion was far more determined than me. <cite>HeroDelTiempo17 posted [p:925797278] in Politics C... [t:77920442]...</cite> <quote>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>Like, if you cast Trump as the root of the problem, then you create a mindset where defeating him in 2020 SOLVES the problem, and we all know thats not true.</quote> That's very true. The issue is that the argument has become asking if Trump is part of the problem at all. He obviously is, as are the GOP members standing by him, the media refusing to really examine the issue, and even to an extent the Democrats who are painting Trump as its sole source and saying things will go back to normal if he loses the election. Nationalism is a very broad problem.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Espeon 08/08/19 12:53:57 PM #267:	red sox 777 posted... Jakyl25 posted... What do you think a good solution to these societal issues is, Wang? The Democrats should start listening and that means nominating someone like Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren or Tulsi Gabbard or Marianne Williamson. Chuck Schumer should retire. Hillary Clinton should publicly apologize. The Democratic Party should officially repudiate Obamacare and apologize for imposing it on the country. The Democratic Party should apologize for supporting the Iraq War. That would be a good start. After making a full and sincere apology, the Democrats will be able to listen. With listening will come understanding. And with understanding will come solutions. It's painful to think like this, but there are no panaceas, no short-term instant fixes. It will be a long process. Will you apologize for your blatant trolling (and the trolling of immature shit stains like yourself) that encourage these mass shooters by making them feel like theyre part of a large majority who all feel like brown people are an infestation and threat to white supremacy? --- Inviso's Most Adorabl-est Eeveelution Ever https://imgur.com/SSw6M9E <cite>Espeon posted [p:925797384] in Politics C... [t:77920442]...</cite> <quote>red sox 777 posted...</cite> <quote>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>What do you think a good solution to these societal issues is, Wang?</quote> The Democrats should start listening and that means nominating someone like Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren or Tulsi Gabbard or Marianne Williamson. Chuck Schumer should retire. Hillary Clinton should publicly apologize. The Democratic Party should officially repudiate Obamacare and apologize for imposing it on the country. The Democratic Party should apologize for supporting the Iraq War. That would be a good start. After making a full and sincere apology, the Democrats will be able to listen. With listening will come understanding. And with understanding will come solutions. It's painful to think like this, but there are no panaceas, no short-term instant fixes. It will be a long process.</quote> Will you apologize for your blatant trolling (and the trolling of immature shit stains like yourself) that encourage these mass shooters by making them feel like theyre part of a large majority who all feel like brown people are an infestation and threat to white supremacy?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 08/08/19 12:55:20 PM #268:	Espeon posted... red sox 777 posted... Jakyl25 posted... What do you think a good solution to these societal issues is, Wang? The Democrats should start listening and that means nominating someone like Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren or Tulsi Gabbard or Marianne Williamson. Chuck Schumer should retire. Hillary Clinton should publicly apologize. The Democratic Party should officially repudiate Obamacare and apologize for imposing it on the country. The Democratic Party should apologize for supporting the Iraq War. That would be a good start. After making a full and sincere apology, the Democrats will be able to listen. With listening will come understanding. And with understanding will come solutions. It's painful to think like this, but there are no panaceas, no short-term instant fixes. It will be a long process. Will you apologize for your blatant trolling (and the trolling of immature shit stains like yourself) that encourage these mass shooters by making them feel like theyre part of a large majority who all feel like brown people are an infestation and threat to white supremacy? No, because that's not true. And I am not even white, as an aside. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:925797435] in Politics C... [t:77920442]...</cite> <quote>Espeon posted...</cite> <quote>red sox 777 posted...</cite> <quote>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>What do you think a good solution to these societal issues is, Wang?</quote> The Democrats should start listening and that means nominating someone like Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren or Tulsi Gabbard or Marianne Williamson. Chuck Schumer should retire. Hillary Clinton should publicly apologize. The Democratic Party should officially repudiate Obamacare and apologize for imposing it on the country. The Democratic Party should apologize for supporting the Iraq War. That would be a good start. After making a full and sincere apology, the Democrats will be able to listen. With listening will come understanding. And with understanding will come solutions. It's painful to think like this, but there are no panaceas, no short-term instant fixes. It will be a long process.</quote> Will you apologize for your blatant trolling (and the trolling of immature shit stains like yourself) that encourage these mass shooters by making them feel like theyre part of a large majority who all feel like brown people are an infestation and threat to white supremacy?</quote> No, because that's not true. And I am not even white, as an aside.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Peace___Frog 08/08/19 12:58:00 PM #269:	Dancedreamer posted... The difference of course, being that Kathy Griffin issued an apology, while Team Mitch apologized... to cardboard cutouts. The difference is that kathy fucking Griffin doesn't hold any political power and our elected representatives should be held to higher standards than private citizens --- ~Peaf~ <cite>Peace___Frog posted [p:925797549] in Politics C... [t:77920442]...</cite> <quote>Dancedreamer posted...</cite> <quote>The difference of course, being that Kathy Griffin issued an apology, while Team Mitch apologized... to cardboard cutouts.</quote> The difference is that kathy fucking Griffin doesn't hold any political power and our elected representatives should be held to higher standards than private citizens</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Wanglicious 08/08/19 12:59:51 PM #270:	Jakyl25 posted... What do you think a good solution to these societal issues is, Wang? biggest issue is that the two back to back shooters were entirely different beasts. honestly the only common thread that could have helped are to take warning signs more seriously: El Paso shooter's mother called the cops, nothing happened. Dayton shooter had a long history of mental issues with multiple people, including multiple ex girlfriends pointing it out, nothing happened. could bundle in other restrictive actions to this but that's where these go. also we're totally ignoring the California shooter from a few days before that, he got completely wiped off the map. and will continue to be wiped off since the latest mass murder in Cali is the Orange County stabbing that killed 4. but for some specific things on these two... El Paso's case definitely is one of glamorizing mass murderers. this unfortunately comes in multiple fronts and i don't think it's clear where the line is. yes, not mentioning his name, not showing his face, both are good moves. but stuff like censoring his manifesto - that runs opposite to the idea. that ironically makes him more sought after because he's taboo and if you're already on the fringes that isn't going to help. ideas have to be fought with ideas, not digging heads in the sand. obviously these beliefs are morally wrong but there is often a bit of truth to them, however the solutions reached jump the shark and that is what needs to be defeated. even if you take to the general ideas laid out, the conclusions cannot be accepted and some people do need to be told why they're wrong, as opposed to being labeled a monster for thinking there's some validity. it's clear that even in this instance, El Paso shooter didn't have everything fully lined up in his head yet; he was already far gone but did still understand the contradiction of complaining about immigration while living in a nation full of immigrants. but he couldn't flesh it out better and goes into "and now people have to die, for environmental and welfare reasons" bullshit. Dayton shooter... is more interesting. initially people were trying to paint him as an incel then multiple girlfriends came out calling him nuts so that was out. before anything was known some rumblings of a second white supremacist hit. then it turns out he was pro-Antifa, a self-proclaimed socialist, a Warren supporter who hates Biden, anti-cop, calls detention centers concentration camps, and has counter-protested a KKK rally. so that was out too. we know he's had major mental issues with violence since a kid, including violence against women in his teens, and it legit seems like this is a case of mental illness because we can't pin his intent but his past is messy enough. and i know some have definitely pointed him in contrast with El Paso's shooter because he's so on the opposite side and by calling detention centers concentration camps you also end up having a clear instance of inflammatory rhetoric. did that help radicalize him? i mean you could try to argue it. the overall point of the country being too polarized and loves to push even further is fair in both instances but blaming individuals, no thanks. what is interesting though? he himself supported gun control, as recently as the El Paso shooting. he liked tweets calling the guy a terrorist and was in support of gun control. ...so he then goes out and guns down as many people as he could the very next day. i don't know what that means. but glamorizing El Paso's shooter definitely did not help. --- "Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel. <cite>Wanglicious posted [p:925797614] in Politics C... [t:77920442]...</cite> <quote>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>What do you think a good solution to these societal issues is, Wang?</quote> biggest issue is that the two back to back shooters were entirely different beasts. honestly the only common thread that could have helped are to take warning signs more seriously: El Paso shooter's mother called the cops, nothing happened. Dayton shooter had a long history of mental issues with multiple people, including multiple ex girlfriends pointing it out, nothing happened. could bundle in other restrictive actions to this but that's where these go. also we're totally ignoring the California shooter from a few days before that, he got completely wiped off the map. and will continue to be wiped off since the latest mass murder in Cali is the Orange County stabbing that killed 4. but for some specific things on these two... El Paso's case definitely is one of glamorizing mass murderers. this unfortunately comes in multiple fronts and i don't think it's clear where the line is. yes, not mentioning his name, not showing his face, both are good moves. but stuff like censoring his manifesto - that runs opposite to the idea. that ironically makes him more sought after because he's taboo and if you're already on the fringes that isn't going to help. ideas have to be fought with ideas, not digging heads in the sand. obviously these beliefs are morally wrong but there is often a bit of truth to them, however the solutions reached jump the shark and that is what needs to be defeated. even if you take to the general ideas laid out, the conclusions cannot be accepted and some people do need to be told why they're wrong, as opposed to being labeled a monster for thinking there's some validity. it's clear that even in this instance, El Paso shooter didn't have everything fully lined up in his head yet; he was already far gone but did still understand the contradiction of complaining about immigration while living in a nation full of immigrants. but he couldn't flesh it out better and goes into "and now people have to die, for environmental and welfare reasons" bullshit. Dayton shooter... is more interesting. initially people were trying to paint him as an incel then multiple girlfriends came out calling him nuts so that was out. before anything was known some rumblings of a second white supremacist hit. then it turns out he was pro-Antifa, a self-proclaimed socialist, a Warren supporter who hates Biden, anti-cop, calls detention centers concentration camps, and has counter-protested a KKK rally. so that was out too. we know he's had major mental issues with violence since a kid, including violence against women in his teens, and it legit seems like this is a case of mental illness because we can't pin his intent but his past is messy enough. and i know some have definitely pointed him in contrast with El Paso's shooter because he's so on the opposite side and by calling detention centers concentration camps you also end up having a clear instance of inflammatory rhetoric. did that help radicalize him? i mean you could try to argue it. the overall point of the country being too polarized and loves to push even further is fair in both instances but blaming individuals, no thanks. what is interesting though? he himself supported gun control, as recently as the El Paso shooting. he liked tweets calling the guy a terrorist and was in support of gun control. ...so he then goes out and guns down as many people as he could the very next day. i don't know what that means. but glamorizing El Paso's shooter definitely did not help.</quote> ... 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Espeon 08/08/19 1:00:26 PM #271:	red sox 777 posted... Espeon posted... red sox 777 posted... Jakyl25 posted... What do you think a good solution to these societal issues is, Wang? The Democrats should start listening and that means nominating someone like Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren or Tulsi Gabbard or Marianne Williamson. Chuck Schumer should retire. Hillary Clinton should publicly apologize. The Democratic Party should officially repudiate Obamacare and apologize for imposing it on the country. The Democratic Party should apologize for supporting the Iraq War. That would be a good start. After making a full and sincere apology, the Democrats will be able to listen. With listening will come understanding. And with understanding will come solutions. It's painful to think like this, but there are no panaceas, no short-term instant fixes. It will be a long process. Will you apologize for your blatant trolling (and the trolling of immature shit stains like yourself) that encourage these mass shooters by making them feel like theyre part of a large majority who all feel like brown people are an infestation and threat to white supremacy? No, because that's not true. And I am not even white, as an aside. Since when do you have to be white to support white supremacy? Candace Owens is popular for a reason. But sure, its not at ALL your fault, because all youre doing is triggering the libs. Not like there arent susceptible people who take your bullshit to heart and go out to murder innocents. Nope, nothing you EVER do is wrong and youre just always the victim. Youre no different from Tucker Carlson or Ben Shapiro or Donald Trump or anyone else who loves to talk shit because there are no consequences for your actions. But then when someone who isnt some keyboard warrior goes out and follows your beliefs to commit murder, suddenly its all about going into defense mode and claiming everyone else is to blame. --- Inviso's Most Adorabl-est Eeveelution Ever https://imgur.com/SSw6M9E <cite>Espeon posted [p:925797638] in Politics C... [t:77920442]...</cite> <quote>red sox 777 posted...</cite> <quote>Espeon posted...</cite> <quote>red sox 777 posted...</cite> <quote>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>What do you think a good solution to these societal issues is, Wang?</quote> The Democrats should start listening and that means nominating someone like Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren or Tulsi Gabbard or Marianne Williamson. Chuck Schumer should retire. Hillary Clinton should publicly apologize. The Democratic Party should officially repudiate Obamacare and apologize for imposing it on the country. The Democratic Party should apologize for supporting the Iraq War. That would be a good start. After making a full and sincere apology, the Democrats will be able to listen. With listening will come understanding. And with understanding will come solutions. It's painful to think like this, but there are no panaceas, no short-term instant fixes. It will be a long process.</quote> Will you apologize for your blatant trolling (and the trolling of immature shit stains like yourself) that encourage these mass shooters by making them feel like theyre part of a large majority who all feel like brown people are an infestation and threat to white supremacy?</quote> No, because that's not true. And I am not even white, as an aside.</quote> Since when do you have to be white to support white supremacy? Candace Owens is popular for a reason. But sure, its not at ALL your fault, because all youre doing is triggering the libs. Not like there arent susceptible people who take your bullshit to heart and go out to murder innocents. Nope, nothing you EVER do is wrong and youre just always the victim. Youre no different from Tucker Carlson or Ben Shapiro or Donald Trump or anyone else who loves to talk shit because there are no consequences for your actions. But then when someone who isnt some keyboard warrior goes out and follows your beliefs to commit murder, suddenly its all about going into defense mode and claiming everyone else is to blame.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 08/08/19 1:01:55 PM #272:	Espeon posted... red sox 777 posted... Espeon posted... red sox 777 posted... Jakyl25 posted... What do you think a good solution to these societal issues is, Wang? The Democrats should start listening and that means nominating someone like Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren or Tulsi Gabbard or Marianne Williamson. Chuck Schumer should retire. Hillary Clinton should publicly apologize. The Democratic Party should officially repudiate Obamacare and apologize for imposing it on the country. The Democratic Party should apologize for supporting the Iraq War. That would be a good start. After making a full and sincere apology, the Democrats will be able to listen. With listening will come understanding. And with understanding will come solutions. It's painful to think like this, but there are no panaceas, no short-term instant fixes. It will be a long process. Will you apologize for your blatant trolling (and the trolling of immature shit stains like yourself) that encourage these mass shooters by making them feel like theyre part of a large majority who all feel like brown people are an infestation and threat to white supremacy? No, because that's not true. And I am not even white, as an aside. Since when do you have to be white to support white supremacy? Candace Owens is popular for a reason. But sure, its not at ALL your fault, because all youre doing is triggering the libs. Not like there arent susceptible people who take your bullshit to heart and go out to murder innocents. Nope, nothing you EVER do is wrong and youre just always the victim. Youre no different from Tucker Carlson or Ben Shapiro or Donald Trump or anyone else who loves to talk shit because there are no consequences for your actions. But then when someone who isnt some keyboard warrior goes out and follows your beliefs to commit murder, suddenly its all about going into defense mode and claiming everyone else is to blame. Tell it to the Democrats, because that's exactly how they act. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:925797702] in Politics C... [t:77920442]...</cite> <quote>Espeon posted...</cite> <quote>red sox 777 posted...</cite> <quote>Espeon posted...</cite> <quote>red sox 777 posted...</cite> <quote>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>What do you think a good solution to these societal issues is, Wang?</quote> The Democrats should start listening and that means nominating someone like Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren or Tulsi Gabbard or Marianne Williamson. Chuck Schumer should retire. Hillary Clinton should publicly apologize. The Democratic Party should officially repudiate Obamacare and apologize for imposing it on the country. The Democratic Party should apologize for supporting the Iraq War. That would be a good start. After making a full and sincere apology, the Democrats will be able to listen. With listening will come understanding. And with understanding will come solutions. It's painful to think like this, but there are no panaceas, no short-term instant fixes. It will be a long process.</quote> Will you apologize for your blatant trolling (and the trolling of immature shit stains like yourself) that encourage these mass shooters by making them feel like theyre part of a large majority who all feel like brown people are an infestation and threat to white supremacy?</quote> No, because that's not true. And I am not even white, as an aside.</quote> Since when do you have to be white to support white supremacy? Candace Owens is popular for a reason. But sure, its not at ALL your fault, because all youre doing is triggering the libs. Not like there arent susceptible people who take your bullshit to heart and go out to murder innocents. Nope, nothing you EVER do is wrong and youre just always the victim. Youre no different from Tucker Carlson or Ben Shapiro or Donald Trump or anyone else who loves to talk shit because there are no consequences for your actions. But then when someone who isnt some keyboard warrior goes out and follows your beliefs to commit murder, suddenly its all about going into defense mode and claiming everyone else is to blame.</quote> Tell it to the Democrats, because that's exactly how they act.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 08/08/19 1:05:12 PM #273:	And yeah, if I am murdered by a racist or homophobic mob, I know exactly who to blame - the Democrats and the liberals. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:925797833] in Politics C... [t:77920442]...</cite> <quote>And yeah, if I am murdered by a racist or homophobic mob, I know exactly who to blame - the Democrats and the liberals.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 08/08/19 1:06:57 PM #274:	Wanglicious posted... DoomTheGyarados posted... I mean why are you surprised Corrik says that when 3/4 Republicans are with Trump on the issue <_< 3/4 of them would be right. even the first sentence alone tells you that. very first sentence: "In general, I support the Christchurch shooter and his manifesto." still in the first paragraph: "Actually the Hispanic community was not my target before I read The Great Replacement." dude was a copycat who only took action because of the Christchurch shooter. doesn't specify when he read that book, though it's also mentioned in Christchurch's manifesto. entirely possible he read it during the Obama years though since he mentions his beliefs predate Trump. it ain't a particularly new concept either but i digress, point is Trump was irrelevant to the chosen targets, to his inspiration, and to his nerve. edit: i should also clarify that the manifesto from the Christchurch shooter is also titled The Great Replacement. ain't clear which is meant. but if he did mean the manifesto it wouldn't be particularly surprising and just further corner how that shooting affected him. he planned so little because he knew he wouldn't have the nerve to go through with it. he hit a tipping point. best i can figure is the start of his personal reasons: "My whole life I have been preparing for a future that currently doesnt exist. The job of my dreams will likely be automated. Hispanics will take control of the local and state government of my beloved Texas, changing policy to better suit their needs." he felt like he had no future. not just immigration but automation. so i await Yang to be blamed for talking about automation so much. also await for Facebook to properly be identified as the site that fully radicalized him. but Trump's got nothing to do with this one here, a New Zealand shooter and a French book do. To be fair, Trump is responsible for every mass shooting supposedly. Including one carried out by a New Zealander. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik Currently playing: Division 2 <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:925797909] in Politics C... [t:77920442]...</cite> <quote>Wanglicious posted...</cite> <quote>DoomTheGyarados posted...</cite> <quote>I mean why are you surprised Corrik says that when 3/4 Republicans are with Trump on the issue <_<</quote> 3/4 of them would be right. even the first sentence alone tells you that. very first sentence: "In general, I support the Christchurch shooter and his manifesto." still in the first paragraph: "Actually the Hispanic community was not my target before I read The Great Replacement." dude was a copycat who only took action because of the Christchurch shooter. doesn't specify when he read that book, though it's also mentioned in Christchurch's manifesto. entirely possible he read it during the Obama years though since he mentions his beliefs predate Trump. it ain't a particularly new concept either but i digress, point is Trump was irrelevant to the chosen targets, to his inspiration, and to his nerve. edit: i should also clarify that the manifesto from the Christchurch shooter is also titled The Great Replacement. ain't clear which is meant. but if he did mean the manifesto it wouldn't be particularly surprising and just further corner how that shooting affected him. he planned so little because he knew he wouldn't have the nerve to go through with it. he hit a tipping point. best i can figure is the start of his personal reasons: "My whole life I have been preparing for a future that currently doesnt exist. The job of my dreams will likely be automated. Hispanics will take control of the local and state government of my beloved Texas, changing policy to better suit their needs." he felt like he had no future. not just immigration but automation. so i await Yang to be blamed for talking about automation so much. also await for Facebook to properly be identified as the site that fully radicalized him. but Trump's got nothing to do with this one here, a New Zealand shooter and a French book do.</quote> To be fair, Trump is responsible for every mass shooting supposedly. Including one carried out by a New Zealander.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Espeon 08/08/19 1:10:10 PM #275:	red sox 777 posted... Espeon posted... red sox 777 posted... Espeon posted... red sox 777 posted... Jakyl25 posted... What do you think a good solution to these societal issues is, Wang? The Democrats should start listening and that means nominating someone like Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren or Tulsi Gabbard or Marianne Williamson. Chuck Schumer should retire. Hillary Clinton should publicly apologize. The Democratic Party should officially repudiate Obamacare and apologize for imposing it on the country. The Democratic Party should apologize for supporting the Iraq War. That would be a good start. After making a full and sincere apology, the Democrats will be able to listen. With listening will come understanding. And with understanding will come solutions. It's painful to think like this, but there are no panaceas, no short-term instant fixes. It will be a long process. Will you apologize for your blatant trolling (and the trolling of immature shit stains like yourself) that encourage these mass shooters by making them feel like theyre part of a large majority who all feel like brown people are an infestation and threat to white supremacy? No, because that's not true. And I am not even white, as an aside. Since when do you have to be white to support white supremacy? Candace Owens is popular for a reason. But sure, its not at ALL your fault, because all youre doing is triggering the libs. Not like there arent susceptible people who take your bullshit to heart and go out to murder innocents. Nope, nothing you EVER do is wrong and youre just always the victim. Youre no different from Tucker Carlson or Ben Shapiro or Donald Trump or anyone else who loves to talk shit because there are no consequences for your actions. But then when someone who isnt some keyboard warrior goes out and follows your beliefs to commit murder, suddenly its all about going into defense mode and claiming everyone else is to blame. Tell it to the Democrats, because that's exactly how they act. Im telling it to YOU. This whole Yeah, but Democrats are the only ones to blame is a lot less funny when right wingers (overwhelmingly, I might add) are taking your ideology and murdering innocent people in increasingly frequent attacks. But then a guy murders twenty people in El Paso and actively posts a manifesto that bears a remarkable resemblance to the words of the sitting U.S. president, and your response is to chuckle to yourself about how mad the libs will be when you say the Iraq War was their fault. What the FUCK is wrong with you? --- Inviso's Most Adorabl-est Eeveelution Ever https://imgur.com/SSw6M9E <cite>Espeon posted [p:925798036] in Politics C... [t:77920442]...</cite> <quote>red sox 777 posted...</cite> <quote>Espeon posted...</cite> <quote>red sox 777 posted...</cite> <quote>Espeon posted...</cite> <quote>red sox 777 posted...</cite> <quote>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>What do you think a good solution to these societal issues is, Wang?</quote> The Democrats should start listening and that means nominating someone like Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren or Tulsi Gabbard or Marianne Williamson. Chuck Schumer should retire. Hillary Clinton should publicly apologize. The Democratic Party should officially repudiate Obamacare and apologize for imposing it on the country. The Democratic Party should apologize for supporting the Iraq War. That would be a good start. After making a full and sincere apology, the Democrats will be able to listen. With listening will come understanding. And with understanding will come solutions. It's painful to think like this, but there are no panaceas, no short-term instant fixes. It will be a long process.</quote> Will you apologize for your blatant trolling (and the trolling of immature shit stains like yourself) that encourage these mass shooters by making them feel like theyre part of a large majority who all feel like brown people are an infestation and threat to white supremacy?</quote> No, because that's not true. And I am not even white, as an aside.</quote> Since when do you have to be white to support white supremacy? Candace Owens is popular for a reason. But sure, its not at ALL your fault, because all youre doing is triggering the libs. Not like there arent susceptible people who take your bullshit to heart and go out to murder innocents. Nope, nothing you EVER do is wrong and youre just always the victim. Youre no different from Tucker Carlson or Ben Shapiro or Donald Trump or anyone else who loves to talk shit because there are no consequences for your actions. But then when someone who isnt some keyboard warrior goes out and follows your beliefs to commit murder, suddenly its all about going into defense mode and claiming everyone else is to blame.</quote> Tell it to the Democrats, because that's exactly how they act.</quote> Im telling it to YOU. This whole Yeah, but Democrats are the only ones to blame is a lot less funny when right wingers (overwhelmingly, I might add) are taking your ideology and murdering innocent people in increasingly frequent attacks. But then a guy murders twenty people in El Paso and actively posts a manifesto that bears a remarkable resemblance to the words of the sitting U.S. president, and your response is to chuckle to yourself about how mad the libs will be when you say the Iraq War was their fault. What the FUCK is wrong with you?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Wanglicious 08/08/19 1:15:44 PM #276:	Leafeon13N posted... Trump has at almost every turn emboldened white supremacists, at multiple points failed to denounce them, and openly supports white nationalism. the biggest issue this has is that white supremacists do not like Trump. every time they're given a platform and asked it or comment on it they end up coming back to their dislike of him and his son in law being Jewish. you can go as recently as Spencer on CNN a few weeks ago who flat out said the rhetoric on twitter is just talk, no action. overlap you'll have here will be in nationalists. Trump is a nationalist and he gets support from that camp. some will include, to a limited degree, white nationalists though they end up not liking him anyway. and i wouldn't confuse all nationalists with them because they're a tiny chunk of that group unless you mean "nationalists that are white" as opposed to basically white supremacists. Jakyl25 posted... Hes right that they predate Trump though I think enabled is more accurate than inspired i wouldn't give either of these. most i give is that Trump definitely does polarize things intentionally and that helps cause a counter-reaction where things become more extreme on the opposite end. this ends up being great for media coverage but shit for everyone else. that pull on both ends will end up getting people addicted to a certain viewpoint and spiral to a point where they think violence is acceptable. --- "Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel. <cite>Wanglicious posted [p:925798285] in Politics C... [t:77920442]...</cite> <quote>Leafeon13N posted...</cite> <quote> Trump has at almost every turn emboldened white supremacists, at multiple points failed to denounce them, and openly supports white nationalism.</quote> the biggest issue this has is that white supremacists do not like Trump. every time they're given a platform and asked it or comment on it they end up coming back to their dislike of him and his son in law being Jewish. you can go as recently as Spencer on CNN a few weeks ago who flat out said the rhetoric on twitter is just talk, no action. overlap you'll have here will be in nationalists. Trump is a nationalist and he gets support from that camp. some will include, to a limited degree, white nationalists though they end up not liking him anyway. and i wouldn't confuse all nationalists with them because they're a tiny chunk of that group unless you mean "nationalists that are white" as opposed to basically white supremacists. Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote> Hes right that they predate Trump though I think enabled is more accurate than inspired</quote> i wouldn't give either of these. most i give is that Trump definitely does polarize things intentionally and that helps cause a counter-reaction where things become more extreme on the opposite end. this ends up being great for media coverage but shit for everyone else. that pull on both ends will end up getting people addicted to a certain viewpoint and spiral to a point where they think violence is acceptable.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 08/08/19 1:16:26 PM #277:	All 3 shooters had different reasons. The first shooter was panned as being a white supremacist because he talked about a boom in regards to it. However, he clearly wasn't. He called white people "***" directly prior to the attack. He likely was anti-jews aligning partially with his middle eastern half-background. However, his shooting itself just seemed to be fuck that garlic festival. The second was targeting hispanics. I haven't read the manifesto but I will take Wang's word on it. But, he definitely was targeting hispanics. The third was a leftist who we have no real motive as of now uncovered. Which doesn't mean he didn't have one, just means he didn't think or care to leave one. I mean, there is no common ground here for the most part as far as cause. I would say except for a dividing public and competing ends. Yet we are trying to act like Trump is responsible for these. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik Currently playing: Division 2 <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:925798316] in Politics C... [t:77920442]...</cite> <quote>All 3 shooters had different reasons. The first shooter was panned as being a white supremacist because he talked about a boom in regards to it. However, he clearly wasn't. He called white people "***" directly prior to the attack. He likely was anti-jews aligning partially with his middle eastern half-background. However, his shooting itself just seemed to be fuck that garlic festival. The second was targeting hispanics. I haven't read the manifesto but I will take Wang's word on it. But, he definitely was targeting hispanics. The third was a leftist who we have no real motive as of now uncovered. Which doesn't mean he didn't have one, just means he didn't think or care to leave one. I mean, there is no common ground here for the most part as far as cause. I would say except for a dividing public and competing ends. Yet we are trying to act like Trump is responsible for these.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 08/08/19 1:16:49 PM #278:	Espeon posted... red sox 777 posted... Espeon posted... red sox 777 posted... Espeon posted... red sox 777 posted... Jakyl25 posted... What do you think a good solution to these societal issues is, Wang? The Democrats should start listening and that means nominating someone like Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren or Tulsi Gabbard or Marianne Williamson. Chuck Schumer should retire. Hillary Clinton should publicly apologize. The Democratic Party should officially repudiate Obamacare and apologize for imposing it on the country. The Democratic Party should apologize for supporting the Iraq War. That would be a good start. After making a full and sincere apology, the Democrats will be able to listen. With listening will come understanding. And with understanding will come solutions. It's painful to think like this, but there are no panaceas, no short-term instant fixes. It will be a long process. Will you apologize for your blatant trolling (and the trolling of immature shit stains like yourself) that encourage these mass shooters by making them feel like theyre part of a large majority who all feel like brown people are an infestation and threat to white supremacy? No, because that's not true. And I am not even white, as an aside. Since when do you have to be white to support white supremacy? Candace Owens is popular for a reason. But sure, its not at ALL your fault, because all youre doing is triggering the libs. Not like there arent susceptible people who take your bullshit to heart and go out to murder innocents. Nope, nothing you EVER do is wrong and youre just always the victim. Youre no different from Tucker Carlson or Ben Shapiro or Donald Trump or anyone else who loves to talk shit because there are no consequences for your actions. But then when someone who isnt some keyboard warrior goes out and follows your beliefs to commit murder, suddenly its all about going into defense mode and claiming everyone else is to blame. Tell it to the Democrats, because that's exactly how they act. Im telling it to YOU. This whole Yeah, but Democrats are the only ones to blame is a lot less funny when right wingers (overwhelmingly, I might add) are taking your ideology and murdering innocent people in increasingly frequent attacks. But then a guy murders twenty people in El Paso and actively posts a manifesto that bears a remarkable resemblance to the words of the sitting U.S. president, and your response is to chuckle to yourself about how mad the libs will be when you say the Iraq War was their fault. What the FUCK is wrong with you? Frankly, this is YOUR fault. But for people like you, Trump would not even be president. These horrors would not have happened. Wake up and change your course before the nightmare results we are all afraid of become reality. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:925798325] in Politics C... [t:77920442]...</cite> <quote>Espeon posted...</cite> <quote>red sox 777 posted...</cite> <quote>Espeon posted...</cite> <quote>red sox 777 posted...</cite> <quote>Espeon posted...</cite> <quote>red sox 777 posted...</cite> <quote>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>What do you think a good solution to these societal issues is, Wang?</quote> The Democrats should start listening and that means nominating someone like Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren or Tulsi Gabbard or Marianne Williamson. Chuck Schumer should retire. Hillary Clinton should publicly apologize. The Democratic Party should officially repudiate Obamacare and apologize for imposing it on the country. The Democratic Party should apologize for supporting the Iraq War. That would be a good start. After making a full and sincere apology, the Democrats will be able to listen. With listening will come understanding. And with understanding will come solutions. It's painful to think like this, but there are no panaceas, no short-term instant fixes. It will be a long process.</quote> Will you apologize for your blatant trolling (and the trolling of immature shit stains like yourself) that encourage these mass shooters by making them feel like theyre part of a large majority who all feel like brown people are an infestation and threat to white supremacy?</quote> No, because that's not true. And I am not even white, as an aside.</quote> Since when do you have to be white to support white supremacy? Candace Owens is popular for a reason. But sure, its not at ALL your fault, because all youre doing is triggering the libs. Not like there arent susceptible people who take your bullshit to heart and go out to murder innocents. Nope, nothing you EVER do is wrong and youre just always the victim. Youre no different from Tucker Carlson or Ben Shapiro or Donald Trump or anyone else who loves to talk shit because there are no consequences for your actions. But then when someone who isnt some keyboard warrior goes out and follows your beliefs to commit murder, suddenly its all about going into defense mode and claiming everyone else is to blame.</quote> Tell it to the Democrats, because that's exactly how they act.</quote> Im telling it to YOU. This whole Yeah, but Democrats are the only ones to blame is a lot less funny when right wingers (overwhelmingly, I might add) are taking your ideology and murdering innocent people in increasingly frequent attacks. But then a guy murders twenty people in El Paso and actively posts a manifesto that bears a remarkable resemblance to the words of the sitting U.S. president, and your response is to chuckle to yourself about how mad the libs will be when you say the Iraq War was their fault. What the FUCK is wrong with you?</quote> Frankly, this is YOUR fault. But for people like you, Trump would not even be president. These horrors would not have happened. Wake up and change your course before the nightmare results we are all afraid of become reality.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 08/08/19 1:17:46 PM #279:	Wanglicious posted... the biggest issue this has is that white supremacists do not like Trump. https://www.newsweek.com/kkk-leader-david-duke-tweets-thank-god-trump-thats-why-we-love-him-726023 --- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:925798367] in Politics C... [t:77920442]...</cite> <quote>Wanglicious posted...</cite> <quote>the biggest issue this has is that white supremacists do not like Trump.</quote> https://www.newsweek.com/kkk-leader-david-duke-tweets-thank-god-trump-thats-why-we-love-him-726023</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Peace___Frog 08/08/19 1:18:36 PM #280:	Wanglicious posted... white supremacists do not like Trump. What fucking world do you live in --- ~Peaf~ <cite>Peace___Frog posted [p:925798397] in Politics C... [t:77920442]...</cite> <quote>Wanglicious posted...</cite> <quote>white supremacists do not like Trump.</quote> What fucking world do you live in</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dancedreamer 08/08/19 1:24:31 PM #281:	Corrik7 posted... Yet we are trying to act like Trump is responsible for these. Nobody is acting like Trump has any responsibility for the third one. --- This isn't funny Dean, the voice says I'm almost out of minutes! ~Alexandra <cite>Dancedreamer posted [p:925798629] in Politics C... [t:77920442]...</cite> <quote>Corrik7 posted...</cite> <quote>Yet we are trying to act like Trump is responsible for these. </quote> Nobody is acting like Trump has any responsibility for the third one.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 08/08/19 1:27:53 PM #282:	Dancedreamer posted... Corrik7 posted... Yet we are trying to act like Trump is responsible for these. Nobody is acting like Trump has any responsibility for the third one. He didn't have any responsibility for the 1st or the 3rd one clearly. 2nd one you are just getting into well he killed Hispanics and Trump is anti illegal immigration and false asylum seekers which seem to be of majority Hispanic race. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik Currently playing: Division 2 <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:925798756] in Politics C... [t:77920442]...</cite> <quote>Dancedreamer posted...</cite> <quote>Corrik7 posted...</cite> <quote>Yet we are trying to act like Trump is responsible for these. </quote> Nobody is acting like Trump has any responsibility for the third one.</quote> He didn't have any responsibility for the 1st or the 3rd one clearly. 2nd one you are just getting into well he killed Hispanics and Trump is anti illegal immigration and false asylum seekers which seem to be of majority Hispanic race.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GuessMyUserName 08/08/19 1:31:11 PM #283:	Wanglicious posted... the biggest issue this has is that white supremacists do not like Trump. What an utterly moronic thing to say. --- I request affiliated many pipes. Been a bad girl, I know I am. And I'm so hot, I need a fan. I don't want a boy, I need a man. <cite>GuessMyUserName posted [p:925798891] in Politics C... [t:77920442]...</cite> <quote>Wanglicious posted...</cite> <quote>the biggest issue this has is that white supremacists do not like Trump.</quote> What an utterly moronic thing to say.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Reg 08/08/19 1:31:50 PM #284:	Peace___Frog posted... Wanglicious posted... white supremacists do not like Trump. What fucking world do you live in One where he spends a ton of time repeating idiotic alt-right/neo-nazi talking points while simultaneously claiming to not be part of those groups <cite>Reg posted [p:925798918] in Politics C... [t:77920442]...</cite> <quote>Peace___Frog posted...</cite> <quote>Wanglicious posted...</cite> <quote>white supremacists do not like Trump.</quote> What fucking world do you live in</quote> One where he spends a ton of time repeating idiotic alt-right/neo-nazi talking points while simultaneously claiming to not be part of those groups</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Peace___Frog 08/08/19 1:32:34 PM #285:	Sometimes i wonder what it would be like to go through life with ear plugs and blinders, ignoring everything that could possibly challenge my world view. --- ~Peaf~ <cite>Peace___Frog posted [p:925798956] in Politics C... [t:77920442]...</cite> <quote>Sometimes i wonder what it would be like to go through life with ear plugs and blinders, ignoring everything that could possibly challenge my world view.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DoomTheGyarados 08/08/19 1:33:55 PM #286:	Peace___Frog posted... Sometimes i wonder what it would be like to go through life with ear plugs and blinders, ignoring everything that could possibly challenge my world view. A democratic member of congress you mean? At least Republicans get the crazy shit they want done even if through villainy. --- Sir Chris <cite>DoomTheGyarados posted [p:925799028] in Politics C... [t:77920442]...</cite> <quote>Peace___Frog posted...</cite> <quote>Sometimes i wonder what it would be like to go through life with ear plugs and blinders, ignoring everything that could possibly challenge my world view.</quote> A democratic member of congress you mean? At least Republicans get the crazy shit they want done even if through villainy.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GuessMyUserName 08/08/19 1:34:52 PM #287:	Reg posted... One where he spends a ton of time repeating idiotic alt-right/neo-nazi talking points while simultaneously claiming to not be part of those groups GamerGate tho --- I request affiliated many pipes. Been a bad girl, I know I am. And I'm so hot, I need a fan. I don't want a boy, I need a man. <cite>GuessMyUserName posted [p:925799071] in Politics C... [t:77920442]...</cite> <quote>Reg posted...</cite> <quote>One where he spends a ton of time repeating idiotic alt-right/neo-nazi talking points while simultaneously claiming to not be part of those groups</quote> GamerGate tho</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HeroDelTiempo17 08/08/19 1:36:09 PM #288:	GuessMyUserName posted... Reg posted... One where he spends a ton of time repeating idiotic alt-right/neo-nazi talking points while simultaneously claiming to not be part of those groups GamerGate tho Ah, but you see, Gamergate predates the alt-right, even though it was later weaponized and absorbed into it, so it's clearly not the same thing. --- DPOblivion was far more determined than me. <cite>HeroDelTiempo17 posted [p:925799119] in Politics C... [t:77920442]...</cite> <quote>GuessMyUserName posted...</cite> <quote>Reg posted...</cite> <quote>One where he spends a ton of time repeating idiotic alt-right/neo-nazi talking points while simultaneously claiming to not be part of those groups</quote> GamerGate tho</quote> Ah, but you see, Gamergate predates the alt-right, even though it was later weaponized and absorbed into it, so it's clearly not the same thing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Wanglicious 08/08/19 1:37:33 PM #289:	Corrik7 posted... The first shooter was panned as being a white supremacist because he talked about a boom in regards to it. However, he clearly wasn't. He called white people "***" directly prior to the attack. He likely was anti-jews aligning partially with his middle eastern half-background. However, his shooting itself just seemed to be fuck that garlic festival. The second was targeting hispanics. I haven't read the manifesto but I will take Wang's word on it. But, he definitely was targeting hispanics. The third was a leftist who we have no real motive as of now uncovered. Which doesn't mean he didn't have one, just means he didn't think or care to leave one. I mean, there is no common ground here for the most part as far as cause. I would say except for a dividing public and competing ends. oh yeah. first shooter (Gilroy shooter): It was just a few days ago that the FBI said he's being investigated as a domestic terrorist. They found a target list that included religious organizations, courthouses, federal buildings, and both major parties. He was initially painted as a white supremacist because he was talking about a book, Might Is Right, which was written in the 1800s. Bear in mind this was being reported at the same time he was using slurs against white women. Even the FBI came out to explicitly say that calling him a white supremacist was wrong and more recent findings further point to that being the case, he just liked violent ideologies, a lot. As it stands he looks like an anarchist who just wanted things to burn without any clear ideology as findings are conflicting. But it's still under investigation. This one... doesn't look similar to the other two at all. maybe it helped push the El Paso shooter to go a "TODAY IS THE DAY" kind of run, he was clearly inspired by Christchurch's shooter so maybe hearing about a US shooting making the rounds ticked up the planning phase to active. it logically fits, anyway. other two, yeah, targeted hispanics specifically, he decided it after reading the book or manifesto, not clear which. third was heavily unstable mentally and it's bizarre how he contradicts himself one day to the next. i kind of wonder if he had a martyr complex because that'd totally explain it but otherwise it's really inconsistent. --- "Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel. <cite>Wanglicious posted [p:925799183] in Politics C... [t:77920442]...</cite> <quote>Corrik7 posted...</cite> <quote> The first shooter was panned as being a white supremacist because he talked about a boom in regards to it. However, he clearly wasn't. He called white people "***" directly prior to the attack. He likely was anti-jews aligning partially with his middle eastern half-background. However, his shooting itself just seemed to be fuck that garlic festival. The second was targeting hispanics. I haven't read the manifesto but I will take Wang's word on it. But, he definitely was targeting hispanics. The third was a leftist who we have no real motive as of now uncovered. Which doesn't mean he didn't have one, just means he didn't think or care to leave one. I mean, there is no common ground here for the most part as far as cause. I would say except for a dividing public and competing ends.</quote> oh yeah. first shooter (Gilroy shooter): It was just a few days ago that the FBI said he's being investigated as a domestic terrorist. They found a target list that included religious organizations, courthouses, federal buildings, and both major parties. He was initially painted as a white supremacist because he was talking about a book, Might Is Right, which was written in the 1800s. Bear in mind this was being reported at the same time he was using slurs against white women. Even the FBI came out to explicitly say that calling him a white supremacist was wrong and more recent findings further point to that being the case, he just liked violent ideologies, a lot. As it stands he looks like an anarchist who just wanted things to burn without any clear ideology as findings are conflicting. But it's still under investigation. This one... doesn't look similar to the other two at all. maybe it helped push the El Paso shooter to go a "TODAY IS THE DAY" kind of run, he was clearly inspired by Christchurch's shooter so maybe hearing about a US shooting making the rounds ticked up the planning phase to active. it logically fits, anyway. other two, yeah, targeted hispanics specifically, he decided it after reading the book or manifesto, not clear which. third was heavily unstable mentally and it's bizarre how he contradicts himself one day to the next. i kind of wonder if he had a martyr complex because that'd totally explain it but otherwise it's really inconsistent.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Reg 08/08/19 1:39:54 PM #290:	GuessMyUserName posted... GamerGate tho "Claiming" <cite>Reg posted [p:925799276] in Politics C... [t:77920442]...</cite> <quote>GuessMyUserName posted...</cite> <quote>GamerGate tho</quote> "Claiming"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Espeon 08/08/19 1:50:33 PM #291:	Good thing the right wing is so kind to black and Hispanic people then, huh Red Sox? Otherwise theyd just be going on shooting sprees against innocent civilians all the time, huh? --- Inviso's Most Adorabl-est Eeveelution Ever https://imgur.com/SSw6M9E <cite>Espeon posted [p:925799727] in Politics C... [t:77920442]...</cite> <quote>Good thing the right wing is so kind to black and Hispanic people then, huh Red Sox? Otherwise theyd just be going on shooting sprees against innocent civilians all the time, huh?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pyresword 08/08/19 1:54:11 PM #292:	At the risk of putting words in others' mouths, I don't think anyone here is trying to claim a direct cause and effect relationship between anything Trump has done and the mass shootings. I do think people are claiming that strong political and racial tensions in America are some (among many) problems that can contribute to such events, and believe that Trump has deliberately made those problems worse in America. --- Oh woops. Putting Advokaiser in my sig like this until I think of something more clever <cite>pyresword posted [p:925799878] in Politics C... [t:77920442]...</cite> <quote>At the risk of putting words in others' mouths, I don't think anyone here is trying to claim a direct cause and effect relationship between anything Trump has done and the mass shootings. I do think people are claiming that strong political and racial tensions in America are some (among many) problems that can contribute to such events, and believe that Trump has deliberately made those problems worse in America.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Wanglicious 08/08/19 1:55:28 PM #293:	ChaosTonyV4 posted... Wanglicious posted... the biggest issue this has is that white supremacists do not like Trump. https://www.newsweek.com/kkk-leader-david-duke-tweets-thank-god-trump-thats-why-we-love-him-726023 counterpoints, using David Duke: https://twitter.com/DrDavidDuke/status/1107009375384817664 "So what if Donald Trump repeated all my arguments in the periscope video that I made the day before. Truth is Truth! It's just a shame that Trump is backing down on so many things now!" https://twitter.com/DrDavidDuke/status/1113079463728873472 "Donald Trump campaigned against George Soros. Kushner is his business partner and buddy. Donald Trump campaigned for AMERICA FIRST - NOT ISRAEL FIRST ! Trump: Kushner Goes or YOU GO DOWN NEXT YEAR" https://twitter.com/DrDavidDuke/status/1113889577003933696 "How Low Can You Go Trump! You also promised to lessen work visas and legal immigration, Now your Jewish Zionist radical extremist Son-in-Law is readying plans to open the borders legally by allowing insanely higher legal immigration from the 3rd World. This is totally insane!" i'll also raise you the Vice white supremacist, Christopher Cantwell, who wants "somebody like Donald Trump who does not give his daughter to a Jew. or again, Richard Spencer on CNN less than a month ago. where the title of this very video, by CNN themselves, is called "White nationalist turns on Trump after racist tweets." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-I55mlrJQg" data-time=" "Many white nationalists will eat up this red meat that Donald Trump is throwing out there. I am not one of them. I recognize the con game that is going on. ...he gives us nothing, outside of racist tweets. And by racist tweets I mean tweets that are meaningless, and cheap, and express the kind of sentiments you might hear from your drunk uncle while he's watching Hannity." that enough examples? it always comes back to exactly what i said, every time: they come back to their dislike of him and his son in law being Jewish. but i mean, if you want to call CNN a liar on this too you can. it's just odd when one of the current major figures of white supremacist views is saying Trump is conning him and you're completely ignoring that. --- "Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel. <cite>Wanglicious posted [p:925799932] in Politics C... [t:77920442]...</cite> <quote>ChaosTonyV4 posted...</cite> <quote>Wanglicious posted...</cite> <quote>the biggest issue this has is that white supremacists do not like Trump.</quote> https://www.newsweek.com/kkk-leader-david-duke-tweets-thank-god-trump-thats-why-we-love-him-726023</quote> counterpoints, using David Duke: https://twitter.com/DrDavidDuke/status/1107009375384817664 "So what if Donald Trump repeated all my arguments in the periscope video that I made the day before. Truth is Truth! It's just a shame that Trump is backing down on so many things now!" https://twitter.com/DrDavidDuke/status/1113079463728873472 "Donald Trump campaigned against George Soros. Kushner is his business partner and buddy. Donald Trump campaigned for AMERICA FIRST - NOT ISRAEL FIRST ! Trump: Kushner Goes or YOU GO DOWN NEXT YEAR" https://twitter.com/DrDavidDuke/status/1113889577003933696 "How Low Can You Go Trump! You also promised to lessen work visas and legal immigration, Now your Jewish Zionist radical extremist Son-in-Law is readying plans to open the borders legally by allowing insanely higher legal immigration from the 3rd World. This is totally insane!" i'll also raise you the Vice white supremacist, Christopher Cantwell, who wants "somebody like Donald Trump who does not give his daughter to a Jew. or again, Richard Spencer on CNN less than a month ago. where the title of this very video, by CNN themselves, is called "White nationalist turns on Trump after racist tweets." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-I55mlrJQg" data-time=" "Many white nationalists will eat up this red meat that Donald Trump is throwing out there. I am not one of them. I recognize the con game that is going on. ...he gives us nothing, outside of racist tweets. And by racist tweets I mean tweets that are meaningless, and cheap, and express the kind of sentiments you might hear from your drunk uncle while he's watching Hannity." that enough examples? it always comes back to exactly what i said, every time: they come back to their dislike of him and his son in law being Jewish. but i mean, if you want to call CNN a liar on this too you can. it's just odd when one of the current major figures of white supremacist views is saying Trump is conning him and you're completely ignoring that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 08/08/19 1:59:52 PM #294:	Wanglicious posted... "Many white nationalists will eat up this red meat that Donald Trump is throwing out there. I am not one of them. I recognize the con game that is going on. ...he gives us nothing, outside of racist tweets. And by racist tweets I mean tweets that are meaningless, and cheap, and express the kind of sentiments you might hear from your drunk uncle while he's watching Hannity." Ok, so David Duke admits Trump is saying racist things that "many white nationalists will eat up", but he personally sees it as flimsy. There's the still the fact that he thinks "many white nationalists" love Trump's racism. --- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:925800115] in Politics C... [t:77920442]...</cite> <quote>Wanglicious posted...</cite> <quote>"Many white nationalists will eat up this red meat that Donald Trump is throwing out there. I am not one of them. I recognize the con game that is going on. ...he gives us nothing, outside of racist tweets. And by racist tweets I mean tweets that are meaningless, and cheap, and express the kind of sentiments you might hear from your drunk uncle while he's watching Hannity." </quote> Ok, so David Duke admits Trump is saying racist things that "many white nationalists will eat up", but he personally sees it as flimsy. There's the still the fact that he thinks "many white nationalists" love Trump's racism.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 08/08/19 2:02:07 PM #295:	Wanglicious posted... Many white nationalists will eat up this red meat that Donald Trump is throwing out there. Doesnt that line from Spencer go counter to your theory? --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:925800199] in Politics C... [t:77920442]...</cite> <quote>Wanglicious posted...</cite> <quote>Many white nationalists will eat up this red meat that Donald Trump is throwing out there.</quote> Doesnt that line from Spencer go counter to your theory?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Espeon 08/08/19 2:02:33 PM #296:	ChaosTonyV4 posted... Wanglicious posted... "Many white nationalists will eat up this red meat that Donald Trump is throwing out there. I am not one of them. I recognize the con game that is going on. ...he gives us nothing, outside of racist tweets. And by racist tweets I mean tweets that are meaningless, and cheap, and express the kind of sentiments you might hear from your drunk uncle while he's watching Hannity." Ok, so David Duke admits Trump is saying racist things that "many white nationalists will eat up", but he personally sees it as flimsy. There's the still the fact that he thinks "many white nationalists" love Trump's racism. That was Richard Spencer. David Duke was the one annoyed that Trump wasnt quite racist enough to cover Jews with his umbrella of hatred. --- Inviso's Most Adorabl-est Eeveelution Ever https://imgur.com/SSw6M9E <cite>Espeon posted [p:925800221] in Politics C... [t:77920442]...</cite> <quote>ChaosTonyV4 posted...</cite> <quote>Wanglicious posted...</cite> <quote>"Many white nationalists will eat up this red meat that Donald Trump is throwing out there. I am not one of them. I recognize the con game that is going on. ...he gives us nothing, outside of racist tweets. And by racist tweets I mean tweets that are meaningless, and cheap, and express the kind of sentiments you might hear from your drunk uncle while he's watching Hannity." </quote> Ok, so David Duke admits Trump is saying racist things that "many white nationalists will eat up", but he personally sees it as flimsy. There's the still the fact that he thinks "many white nationalists" love Trump's racism.</quote> That was Richard Spencer. David Duke was the one annoyed that Trump wasnt quite racist enough to cover Jews with his umbrella of hatred.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 08/08/19 2:04:59 PM #297:	HeroDelTiempo17 posted... GuessMyUserName posted... Reg posted... One where he spends a ton of time repeating idiotic alt-right/neo-nazi talking points while simultaneously claiming to not be part of those groups GamerGate tho Ah, but you see, Gamergate predates the alt-right, even though it was later weaponized and absorbed into it, so it's clearly not the same thing. Actually it doesnt predate the alt-right, although the rest of what you said is true --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:925800341] in Politics C... [t:77920442]...</cite> <quote>HeroDelTiempo17 posted...</cite> <quote>GuessMyUserName posted...</cite> <quote>Reg posted...</cite> <quote>One where he spends a ton of time repeating idiotic alt-right/neo-nazi talking points while simultaneously claiming to not be part of those groups</quote> GamerGate tho</quote> Ah, but you see, Gamergate predates the alt-right, even though it was later weaponized and absorbed into it, so it's clearly not the same thing.</quote> Actually it doesnt predate the alt-right, although the rest of what you said is true</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HashtagSEP 08/08/19 2:08:46 PM #298:	So, basically, this amounts to white nationalists who think Trump doesn't go far enough saying "White nationalists love him but he's not vile enough for me" And Wang equates that to "White nationalists do not like Trump!" --- #SEP #Awesome #Excellent #Greatness #SteveNash #VitaminWater #SmellingLikeTheVault #Pigeon #Sexy #ActuallyAVeryIntelligentVelociraptor #Heel #CoolSpot #EndOfSig <cite>HashtagSEP posted [p:925800504] in Politics C... [t:77920442]...</cite> <quote>So, basically, this amounts to white nationalists who think Trump doesn't go far enough saying "White nationalists love him but he's not vile enough for me" And Wang equates that to "White nationalists do not like Trump!"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 08/08/19 2:08:50 PM #299:	Wanglicious posted... El Paso's case definitely is one of glamorizing mass murderers. this unfortunately comes in multiple fronts and i don't think it's clear where the line is. yes, not mentioning his name, not showing his face, both are good moves. but stuff like censoring his manifesto - that runs opposite to the idea. that ironically makes him more sought after because he's taboo and if you're already on the fringes that isn't going to help. But youre saying he was inspired by another manifesto directly. If he never reads it, maybe things are different. You cant reason with people who are at their core unreasonable. --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:925800505] in Politics C... [t:77920442]...</cite> <quote>Wanglicious posted...</cite> <quote> El Paso's case definitely is one of glamorizing mass murderers. this unfortunately comes in multiple fronts and i don't think it's clear where the line is. yes, not mentioning his name, not showing his face, both are good moves. but stuff like censoring his manifesto - that runs opposite to the idea. that ironically makes him more sought after because he's taboo and if you're already on the fringes that isn't going to help. </quote> But youre saying he was inspired by another manifesto directly. If he never reads it, maybe things are different. You cant reason with people who are at their core unreasonable.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GuessMyUserName 08/08/19 2:09:01 PM #300:	Stop posting white nationalists disingenuous bad faith lies to hide their effectiveness. White supremacists know that they are unpopular, but their whole goal to solve that specifically involves pushing a seemingly light-weight alternative to shift the overton window to the point white supremacy doesn't seem so radical anymore. For fuck's sake it's in their best interest for you to believe Trump is not at their outspoken level of degeneracy because they need that separation to exist in order to progress their cause. You know what else white supremacists say? That they aren't fucking racist white supremacists, muddying the waters is their lifeblood. --- I request affiliated many pipes. Been a bad girl, I know I am. And I'm so hot, I need a fan. I don't want a boy, I need a man. <cite>GuessMyUserName posted [p:925800514] in Politics C... [t:77920442]...</cite> <quote>Stop posting white nationalists disingenuous bad faith lies to hide their effectiveness. White supremacists know that they are unpopular, but their whole goal to solve that specifically involves pushing a seemingly light-weight alternative to shift the overton window to the point white supremacy doesn't seem so radical anymore. For fuck's sake it's in their best interest for you to believe Trump is not at their outspoken level of degeneracy because they need that separation to exist in order to progress their cause. You know what else white supremacists say? That they aren't fucking racist white supremacists, muddying the waters is their lifeblood.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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