Poll of the Day > Will you take the brain chip when it's released?

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If you havent heard, elon musk announced that they will be soon releasing neuralink which is a brain chip that will link your brain to your smartphone. Will you? I guess we'll eventually all be forced to anyway

Heck yeah bring on the transhumanism
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What is considered soon? But no, not unless it augments my intelligence or improves brain function in some way. With no knowledge of it I assume it will be like Google glass.
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I still don't own a smart phone, so I'm guessing the answer is "no".


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That's like the S-Device in Front Mission? No, besides that can't be safe.
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I used to think I wanted to, but nowadays there's no way I'm letting Windows 10 or Android anywhere near my code.

Hop103 posted...

That's like the S-Device in Front Mission? No, besides that can't be safe.

Yeah, what happens when it malfunctions

KeijiMaedaTiger posted...

What is considered soon? But no, not unless it augments my intelligence or improves brain function in some way. With no knowledge of it I assume it will be like Google glass.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.businessinsider.com/what-is-elon-musk-brain-chip-company-neuralink-2019-7

As early as next year. And it will connect your brain to the internet so yeah it will augment your intelligence. I feel like this sounds like a really clever way to brainwash people

I'll let others guinea pig first. I probably wouldn't either way.

I don't even like that my car can be GPS tracked.

So... fuck no?

Nah

Not at first since first generation tech usually will have hiccups.

Maybe eventually if it greatly improves quality of life
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he didn't invent it
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JOExHIGASHI posted...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAqxs_hW0CY" data-time="

he didn't invent it

That's quite a bit different though

If its able to save your memories and personality so youre able to transfer it to some robot body when you get old, Ill consider it.

green dragon posted...

Not at first since first generation tech usually will have hiccups.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cP-jkwGpnRg" data-time="&start=58


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GameLord113 posted...

If its able to save your memories and personality so youre able to transfer it to some robot body when you get old, Ill consider it.

You still be dead, just a robot like you will be walking around.
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darcandkharg31 posted...

GameLord113 posted...

If its able to save your memories and personality so youre able to transfer it to some robot body when you get old, Ill consider it.

You still be dead, just a robot like you will be walking around.

Unless they find a way to digitize and migrate your actual consciousness.

If what we are actually is a combination of electrical signals and chemical reactions, it seems feasible that eventually it could be transferred artificially.
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I just want robot arms/body. If it starts with a brain chip then hell yeah.
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No, not until we have to or it allows us to dive into games like SAO!
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the conspiracy theorist in me says fuck no, never.
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Absolutely not!
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Nope.


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DirtBasedSoap posted...

the conspiracy theorist in me says fuck no, never.

There's really no doubt this kind of technology would be used for less than noble pursuits by tech giants

Lolfuckno
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I guess I'll wait for the year it actually becomes mandatory and illegal NOT to do so before committing suicide.

Mead posted...

Unless they find a way to digitize and migrate your actual consciousness.

If what we are actually is a combination of electrical signals and chemical reactions, it seems feasible that eventually it could be transferred artificially.

We can't even do that now with normal computer data. What we effectively do is copy it to a second location and then erase it at the original location.

Which is why "digital consciousnes", much like the Star Trek transporter, would effectively create a new copy of yourself while the original remains (or in the case of transporting, straight up murdering the original copy).

Unless the soul is a literal, quantifiable thing and we can figure out how to transmigrate it from one copy to another, the idea of downloading consciousness or otherwise leaving the meat behind to ghost across distances or through technology is kind of a pipe dream.


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ParanoidObsessive posted...

Mead posted...

Unless they find a way to digitize and migrate your actual consciousness.

If what we are actually is a combination of electrical signals and chemical reactions, it seems feasible that eventually it could be transferred artificially.

We can't even do that now with normal computer data. What we effectively do is copy it to a second location and then erase it at the original location.

Which is why "digital consciousnes", much like the Star Trek transporter, would effectively create a new copy of yourself while the original remains (or in the case of transporting, straight up murdering the original copy).

Unless the soul is a literal, quantifiable thing and we can figure out how to transmigrate it from one copy to another, the idea of downloading consciousness or otherwise leaving the meat behind to ghost across distances or through technology is kind of a pipe dream.

Pretty much every technological advancement is something that intelligent and educated people used to say was impossible
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streamofthesky posted...

I don't even like that my car can be GPS tracked.

So... fuck no?

Pretty hard to live off the grid when they can track you using almost anything, credit/debit cards, phones, cars etc...

not at first, i can't risk ruining my hairline, ok?

i'm sure there are plenty of posters here who have pictures of my infamous do, ok?
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Nope.
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Nope.
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Mead posted...

ParanoidObsessive posted...

Mead posted...

Unless they find a way to digitize and migrate your actual consciousness.

If what we are actually is a combination of electrical signals and chemical reactions, it seems feasible that eventually it could be transferred artificially.

We can't even do that now with normal computer data. What we effectively do is copy it to a second location and then erase it at the original location.

Which is why "digital consciousnes", much like the Star Trek transporter, would effectively create a new copy of yourself while the original remains (or in the case of transporting, straight up murdering the original copy).

Unless the soul is a literal, quantifiable thing and we can figure out how to transmigrate it from one copy to another, the idea of downloading consciousness or otherwise leaving the meat behind to ghost across distances or through technology is kind of a pipe dream.

Pretty much every technological advancement is something that intelligent and educated people used to say was impossible

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Mead posted...

Pretty much every technological advancement is something that intelligent and educated people used to say was impossible

Most advancements also build on previous understanding and developments, one step after another, rather than taking a radical leap in a completely different and contrary direction.

So basically, we'd never get to that point on the current tech tree we're traveling down, and there's no real incentive at the moment to reinvent this particular wheel, so odds are if it's possible at all it won't happen until long after everyone posting on this board is long dead, so to us it's effectively impossible.


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Either get killswitchd or become subsumed by the Illuminati.

Is there really an upside?

Also they could probably transmit ads to my dreams that way.

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ParanoidObsessive posted...

Mead posted...

Pretty much every technological advancement is something that intelligent and educated people used to say was impossible

Most advancements also build on previous understanding and developments, one step after another, rather than taking a radical leap in a completely different and contrary direction.

So basically, we'd never get to that point on the current tech tree we're traveling down, and there's no real incentive at the moment to reinvent this particular wheel, so odds are if it's possible at all it won't happen until long after everyone posting on this board is long dead, so to us it's effectively impossible.

That's a whole lot of meaningless speculation though. I dont see how that doesn't fall into the current tech tree. We're already talking about backing up brains on a hard drive so I'd say we're at least heading in the right direction for figuring out if consciousness is quantifiable. Maybe it isnt but I think it's possible that we could find the answer to that in our lifetimes. Once A.I. becomes advanced enough it may find these answers for us

OhhhJa posted...

We're already talking about backing up brains on a hard drive so I'd say we're at least heading in the right direction for figuring out if consciousness is quantifiable.

It's not really a question of whether or not consciousness is quantifiable. It's more a question of whether or not data storage can exist in any way form other than copy/delete. We've literally never used any other method for the entire history of the human race.

Making a copy of a brain isn't really "consciousness upload" as much as it is "consciousness duplication". We'd have to find a means of direct transfer of consciousness in ways we've never been capable of as humans.

It's possible that some day we might figure out how to do so, but at the moment we wouldn't even really know where to start. At best, all we could really do is archive memories and personalities in copies that aren't directly tied to their original source (sort of like how they make AI in the Halo universe).


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ParanoidObsessive posted...

OhhhJa posted...

We're already talking about backing up brains on a hard drive so I'd say we're at least heading in the right direction for figuring out if consciousness is quantifiable.

It's not really a question of whether or not consciousness is quantifiable. It's more a question of whether or not data storage can exist in any way form other than copy/delete. We've literally never used any other method for the entire history of the human race.

Making a copy of a brain isn't really "consciousness upload" as much as it is "consciousness duplication". We'd have to find a means of direct transfer of consciousness in ways we've never been capable of as humans.

It's possible that some day we might figure out how to do so, but at the moment we wouldn't even really know where to start. At best, all we could really do is archive memories and personalities in copies that aren't directly tied to their original source (sort of like how they make AI in the Halo universe).

Just to wildly theorize the brain could be very slowly replaced by artificial cells which could possibly allow a consciousness to remain intact although it would be hard to ever know if that was the original person or again just a copy

Another possibility would be to connect someones mind to so many artificial sources capable of storing memories and processing thought that the consciousness itself might expand to exist in more than just the original brain and persist after the persons body expires
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No. I'm capable of forming my own thoughts.
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citation needed
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I like reading different theories on transferring consciousness but it's also possible that we'll just halt or even reverse the aging process. But even then, that wouldnt save our consciousness from dying in an accident or a shooting

SunWuKung420 posted...

No. I'm capable of forming my own thoughts.

He says, with mounds of evidence of being told he has shit taste resulting in knee-jerk purchases to prove those people wrong.

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No, because I don't want to worry about my brain getting hacked.
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Musk hasn't got a single clue what he's talking about. We have no idea how to interface with brain tissue. This is decades away.

OhhhJa posted...

As early as next year. And it will connect your brain to the internet so yeah it will augment your intelligence.

HAHAHA. Musk is always marketing hyped up sci-fi bullshit. He must have ADD, because he hasn't finished his space travel Uber or vacuum tube subways.

And this is totally his field. And suddenly SpaceX is a plastic surgery cyborg company. Lol. I'm totally going to want anything they slap together inside my brain.
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ParanoidObsessive posted...

It's not really a question of whether or not consciousness is quantifiable.

Actually that is the first question, because any digital solution requires us to understand consciousness on a level expressible within our mathematical systems. That might never happen due to flaws in those systems. Similar problems are holding back AI research, but AI at least has the advantage of not having to be compatible with a biological process.

Mead posted...

Just to wildly theorize the brain could be very slowly replaced by artificial cells which could possibly allow a consciousness to remain intact although it would be hard to ever know if that was the original person or again just a copy

Another possibility would be to connect someones mind to so many artificial sources capable of storing memories and processing thought that the consciousness itself might expand to exist in more than just the original brain and persist after the persons body expires

(note: @Mead I wrote this an hour ago but had to run an errand before I could hit Send )

I don't know what form -if any- it will take, but I can think of some that it won't. For one thing, you can forget the idea that we're just outsourcing "brain activity" to a computer in the hopes that our consciousness goes with it. Our sense of consciousness is full body thing, and even beyond that when you consider microbiomes that influence what and how we think without even being part of our body in the strictest sense.
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I fear if I did and I was to eventually use anti-malware it would clean my personality.
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hell yeah dude let's go
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No.
Ill remain an organic human.
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