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HylianShield
07/24/19 2:56:18 PM
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Was this movie all that bad? Especially starting a white guy instead of an Asian male?

This topic recently came up with a group of friends of mine due to diversity in original characters now (Marvel/Disney I'm talking about you).

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Smashingpmkns
07/24/19 3:04:41 PM
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Why would it star an Asian male?
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UnfairRepresent
07/24/19 3:05:45 PM
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Smashingpmkns posted...
Why would it star an Asian male?

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Bryce_Harpoon
07/24/19 3:06:26 PM
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The Last Samurai grossed a total of $456 million[2] at the box office and was well-received upon its release, receiving praise for the acting, writing, directing, score, visuals, costumes and messages. It was nominated for several awards, including four Academy Awards, three Golden Globe Awards, and two National Board of Review Awards.


iirc the whole point is tom cruise plays an american who goes to japan and shows them how to use guns instead of swords
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r25
07/24/19 3:06:39 PM
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People said it was bad?
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modena
07/24/19 3:06:53 PM
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I liked it,watched it about 2-3 times.
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myzz7
07/24/19 3:09:06 PM
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i really liked it when it came out. one of the handful of movies i went out to buy a DVD of.
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CheekSqueak
07/24/19 3:10:59 PM
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myzz7 posted...
i really liked it

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UnholyMudcrab
07/24/19 3:11:59 PM
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Nobody thinks this movie is bad except people who are trying too hard to be woke
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Ikagura
07/24/19 3:12:08 PM
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Lol I remember all the negative media and reaction...the last samurai starting...Tom Cruise
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Balrog0
07/24/19 3:12:52 PM
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it was a pretty decent movie, all things considered
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BettyWhite
07/24/19 3:16:38 PM
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Nah. It's a great movie.

People who talk shit about it have only read the title and the name of the lead actor.

That Hans Zimmer score is fantastic and Ken Watanabe inspires the fuck out of me.
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DirkDiggles
07/24/19 3:19:35 PM
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coinstarcad
07/24/19 3:20:15 PM
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I think the whole point is that a white guy gets to have the samurai fantasy too, because it's fun to imagine. See the embarrassing scene where the kid catches Cruise in his room mid-Haiyah as he's trying to star wars kid his way to become a samurai master.
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CapnMuffin
07/24/19 3:20:37 PM
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Its a long movie but really enjoyable.
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CarrieChan
07/24/19 3:20:50 PM
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It is a good movie.
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ROBANN_88
07/24/19 3:23:38 PM
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do i have to mention that the "white guy samurai" thing isn't that farfetched?
the framework of his character was (very loosely) on a real dude whos name i can't remember right now
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garan
07/24/19 3:25:33 PM
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UnholyMudcrab posted...
Nobody thinks this movie is bad except people who are trying too hard to be woke
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brestugo
07/24/19 3:38:26 PM
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DirkDiggles posted...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ra8YBxPSX8k" data-time="

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brestugo
07/24/19 3:42:26 PM
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Meanwhile we're still waiting on a movie for Yasuke, a black man who fought with Nobunaga in the unification of Japan.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yasuke
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07/24/19 3:43:17 PM
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brestugo
07/24/19 4:02:45 PM
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DuranOfForcena posted...
brestugo posted...
Meanwhile we're still waiting on a movie for Yasuke, a black man who fought with Nobunaga in the unification of Japan.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yasuke

i dunno, i just read the article and it seems like it could be an intriguing concept, but only with heavy liberties taken. it doesn't really seem like he actually did a whole lot of note. a movie made about him seems like it would mostly be made up of Nobunaga's and his court's fascination with the novelty of a man with black skin. and i don't think anyone's chomping at the bit for a movie like that to get made in this day and age.

A guy who was the weapons bearer for Nobunaga, given a special katana by him, fought with him, and was present when Nobunaga committed seppuku isn't an interesting story?
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8-bit_Biceps
07/24/19 4:03:52 PM
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This is very different than Jake Gyllenhaal playing the Prince of Persia. Gyllenhaal is a white guy who played a Persian. The Last Samurai was about a Captain in the American army (marines? whatever). You wouldn't have an Asian guy play that role. The point is that he's an American who went to Japan and was captured and learned the ways of the Japanese. So he learns the way of the samurai and becomes a samurai. He's supposed to be a white guy. He comes from a white army. He moved to Japan for the war. Does your race change when you fly overseas?
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brestugo
07/24/19 4:13:05 PM
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DuranOfForcena posted...
brestugo posted...
DuranOfForcena posted...
brestugo posted...
Meanwhile we're still waiting on a movie for Yasuke, a black man who fought with Nobunaga in the unification of Japan.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yasuke

i dunno, i just read the article and it seems like it could be an intriguing concept, but only with heavy liberties taken. it doesn't really seem like he actually did a whole lot of note. a movie made about him seems like it would mostly be made up of Nobunaga's and his court's fascination with the novelty of a man with black skin. and i don't think anyone's chomping at the bit for a movie like that to get made in this day and age.

A guy who was the weapons bearer for Nobunaga, given a special katana by him, fought with him, and was present when Nobunaga committed seppuku isn't an interesting story?

i mean, the article doesn't really mention him actually fighting for Nobunaga very much, except for during the "Honn-ji Incident" and maybe at the Battle of Tenmokuzan, although that's not clear. it just says Yasuke was included in his "force", and the article on the battle doesn't mention him. so yeah, i think a movie about someone who is primarily a weapon bearer and a novelty wouldn't really be that interesting.

Well Wikipedia isn't the only source. It's just a compilation of sources. Unfortunately for the purposes here, all the accounts of him in battle are in Japanese so I can't link them. There's even a chldren's book about his exploits.
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07/24/19 4:16:35 PM
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I love it tbh.

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Mr_Rian
07/24/19 4:18:29 PM
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Dude, @brestugo , ignore Druan. Dude is a troll and will purposely misconstrue whatever you say because he's looking for an argument. He doesn't know how to be a regular person.

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brestugo
07/24/19 4:35:16 PM
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Mr_Rian posted...
Dude, @brestugo , ignore Druan. Dude is a troll and will purposely misconstrue whatever you say because he's looking for an argument. He doesn't know how to be a regular person.

Noted.
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RamboCell29
07/24/19 4:40:00 PM
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It's a really good movie but the woke crowd would eviscerate it today.
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ledbowman
07/24/19 4:40:47 PM
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I got this on Blu ray.
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DirkDiggles
07/24/19 4:42:27 PM
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DuranOfForcena posted...
edit: oh, well you didn't have to delete your message.


That was me. I pointed out what he already pointed out.
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FrankGoreHOF
07/24/19 4:42:35 PM
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Shitting on the movie for starring a white Male is missing the point. These dances with wolves movies are about someone of a different culture learning and appreciating a different one. Imagine Avatar but Sam Worthington is already a Na'vi...
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Giant_Aspirin
07/24/19 4:42:56 PM
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Mr_Rian posted...
Dude, brestugo , ignore Druan. Dude is a troll and will purposely misconstrue whatever you say because he's looking for an argument. He doesn't know how to be a regular person.


the fact that you had to pull out an alt to say this really speaks volumes about your character.
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Mr_Rian
07/24/19 5:00:01 PM
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Giant_Aspirin posted...


the fact that you had to pull out an alt to say this really speaks volumes about your character.
When I point out a troll is trolling I get modded and they continue to shit up topics. So I have an alt that I can warn people about trolls with. A good amount of time the person that engaged with the troll will stop. If that happens it's totally worth it. If you think less of me, that's fine. But I don't need trolls following me around all the time on my main. It's happened in the past. Until I finally get enough evidence and get them banned for harassing me. Shitposting isn't a huge deal, and I let most of it go, but there is a time and place for it.

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CrimsonWaffle
07/24/19 5:09:22 PM
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DirkDiggles posted...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ra8YBxPSX8k" data-time="

Immediately thought of this
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masterpug53
07/24/19 5:17:57 PM
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CrimsonWaffle posted...
DirkDiggles posted...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ra8YBxPSX8k" data-time="

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Me too. 'IT WAS MOONEY!!'
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Asuka Kazama
07/24/19 6:38:14 PM
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Cruise charming them asian women if I recall
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pogo_rabid
07/24/19 6:46:14 PM
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I really liked this movie. Watched it a bunch
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ssjevot
07/24/19 7:12:32 PM
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It was really good in my opinion, and obviously based on actual events happening during that time. All the characters were fictionalized versions of real people, including Tom Cruise. It's pretty easy to see who is standing in for who if you do some basic research on the Boshin War.
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deanshow
07/24/19 7:22:44 PM
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Tom Cruise isnt the Last Samurai. Its Ken Watanabes character. The movie is great
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BettyWhite
07/24/19 7:26:12 PM
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Y'all are making me wanna watch again.

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