Board 8 > English Literature Mafia Topic 20: Falling Action

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oh my bad lol

I keep missing it

But Lea has played so Town

Misclears in both sections maybe?

If there is a misclear, I think it's on my end

UltimaterializerX posted...

Oh.

This probably goes without saying for everyone, but the holiday plus Stranger Things 3 means activity will be spotty.

Cam, are you locked into Ben as your receiver? Do you know if you could potentially target scum? There is like a 0.5% chance Ben is de-confirmed and you targeted scum with your role by accident.

But that would mean he openly fed us his teammates and Lopen was right the whole time and we just cant have that

I've got a lot of tinfoil that I've logiced my way through

1. Is Ben my receiver?

Yes - no one else has stepped up

2. Is Ben being honest with my scans?

Yes - he didn't have to give up all that Mafia like that

3. Is Ben 3P?

No - I could see shenanigans if I were receiver and Ben was the Cop, but we're not in that world

4. Is Ben being 100% honest with his scans today?

I'll let Ben play it out however he wants to do it today

Like, the only way Ben is not my receiver is if he is exactly Mafia AND a true god

Forget the whole aspect of maybe Ben is not the receiver

The fact that he got Pez, Death, and Tom alignments ALL correct is less than 5% probability

So like, if Ben is Mafia and not the scanner, he just wins forever
Likewise, if Ben is Town and not the receiver, he just wins forever

I had Ben as a strong candidate of someone I wanted to sheep pretty early on day 1 and I'm glad he has followed through brilliantly

If I had picked someone like Chris, it would have been, I feel, a very short lived game

Or did I even Pick Ben and it's just inherent in the role?

I DONT KNOW!

but I guess, you don't either, and I prefer it that way

More rambling::

I don't see how Ben gives up so many players that way

In a world where Ben is Mafia;;
This would mean they didn't scan me, and obviously didn't kill me

So Ben is faced with options:
Does he release his peeks truthfully?
ALL OF THEM TRUTHFULLY?

I just don't see how Ben can logic this as being an optimal play here as Mafia

I think the moment Ben realized who I was, was maybe Day 3?

Like at end of day when I voted Pez, and it clicked

If Ben were Mafia, I think he could have easily just done a:

"Kill Cam NOW NOW NOW NOW"

I really don't want a mislynch today

If I can logic 100% why 5tarscream SHOULD be Town 100% of the time, I'm happy to hard clear everyone 5tarscream has checked

And I mean ZERO loose ends

We know Lolo protected 5tarscream

But it's still possible that Mafia attacked Lolo directly, right?

I think my realistic POE is now:

5tarscream

or

SBell
Lopen
Lea

If it is the latter, then we win as long as we stick to the POE

If it the former, then we must MUST really reconsider everything we know

So, let's say we lynch Lea

Lea flips Town

Then we know we only need to lynch Lopen and SBell to win, assuming 5tarscream is Town

GG

Game is locked

If Lea flips Mafia

Then we lynch Lopen and SBell, if the game doesn't end, then 5tarscream is the final Mafia

GG we STILL win

right?

Game should be locked

The only way we majorly fuck up here is if 5tarscream is not Town

So yeah, I want to be 100% certain we can trust 5tarscream is lock Town

So yeah, the only way we lose is if 5tarscream is not Town

Lettuce please use this time to figure it out properly

UltimaterializerX posted...

I refuse to consider 5tarscream as scum.

See, this worries me though

Because my primary logical POE assuming 5tarscream is Town are people I already know to be Town (barring Godfather, which I feel must be a real consideration if 5tarscream is Town)

And if 5tarscream is Mafia, then she miscleared one of her Mafia bros

Please, give it some consideration

I'm not trying to poison the well, I just want peace of mind

I look like an asshole for considering this properly because I'm basically keeping 80% of the game as possible POE

But really, if 5tarscream is scum, we always lose here

UltimaterializerX posted...

Im giving you peace of mind. Ive known Red for over 15 years. 5tar is town and caught him legit.

For those two to be scum together, it will mean Red put his ego aside and ate a day 2 mislynch to make a questionable (at the time) teammate look golden. Theres also the whole thing about how 5tar cleared me, which flat-out does not happen if hes scum with Red.

These are just impossible lines of play. I know Red VERY well, especially after his brilliant pocketing of me last game. Theres just no way 5tar is scum.

I believe in every event, 5tarscream, if they are Town, MUST die tonight

Why?

Because I'm the flavor miller, and there is no regular miller

To me, this tells me that Mafia's counter is a godfather

So 5tarscream will always be able to find the remaining two Mafia

Whereas at most I can find 1 Mafia

So if 5tarscream is Town, we have already won and the POE is exactly:
Lea
Sbell - who I think is Town now
Lopen - who I've had as questionable since forever

EVEN IF SOMEHOW BEN AND I ARE ALIVE HERE I WILL GLADLY EAT THE ROPE BECAUSE WTF WTF WTF

Game should be locked then

9 - Lea
7 - SBell
5 - Lopen
3 - WE WILL HAVE ALREADY WON, I DO NOT BELIEVE BEN IS MAFIA

The night kills should be:

9 - 5tarscream
7 - Me/Ben
5 - Me/Ben

Final 3:
Playerlist (9 alive)
1. UltimaterializerX
7. Sheep (replaced Hbthebattle)
9. turbopuns3

Of course, this is ENTIRELY THEORETICAL

Because there is still another reveal to come

Or you know, maybe not

We'll see

Actually wait

If 5tarscream is Town, Lea is always Mafia

No extra shenanigans matter

And vice versa

If Lea is town, 5tarscream is always Mafia

So hopefully it's just as simple as:

1. Lea = Mafia flip
2. Night kill = 5tar scream

And we search for the final mafia in the final POE of 2 [SBell + Lopen]

If Lea = Town Flip

then Night Kill = Me

then listen to Benjamin, and lynch 5tarscream

then good luck finding the last mafia

Hmmm

There is still possibility for shenanigans if Lea = Town Flip

But, hopefully it will be explained today

VOTE:: Lea

UNVOTE:: Lea

For now

I think this probably the best route for today barring something really cool

Hbthebattle posted...

Ben's choice to scan Tom makes no sense if you consider he refused to scan MZero.
He didn't want to go with the "obvious scum" with MZero but was willing to scan the guy he has been saying was "obviously town"

Lopen posted...

Ben
Lolo
Corrik
Constable Cam

That's your scumteam.

Lock em up lock em up lock em up.

Like, I just don't see how Lopen could be so wrong, but I'll trust in you for now Ben

##Unvote

If we get to the point where one of the scanners has to have been fooled I'll be taking another look, but as others have said the odds of picking godfather randomly aren't good. To the unscanned we go.

Also I would strongly agree with Ulti that scum 5tar is never allowed to bus Red in such a manner.
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Can someone explain what the hell Cams claim is?

This is the guy that was asking about wolves because his flavour confused him right? The guy that absolutely went after me claiming I was lying because there couldnt be a flavour split because he was town with evil flavour? The guy that claimed opera singer then vanilla then opera singer again. Is now claiming what? That hes the cop but he doesnt receive his own results? That a random player receives the results of his scans?

On top of that hes saying I should be killed tonight otherwise Im scum. Is this even a thing in mafia? That theres a cop or an opera singer or any role that scans and their results are randomly sent to another player in the game. Honestly Id be more likely to believe that Cam and Ben are just scum and bussed pez and death because they were both spent powers.

All the powers were outed so let was irrelevant at that point, death was a single use poisoner. Voldemort and Sam I am are the two remaining players with questionable flavour right?

Maybe Cam isnt flavour Miller hes just scum. Maybe Ben isnt a cop either hes just scum and bussed two useless scum powers.

I doubt town only has 1 scanner though. Can anyone other than Ben conform if this is even a thing in mafia?

So he thought he might be wolf. And thought there cant be a scanner because his flavour was evil. Yet this whole time hes been town power and what? Just let Ben claim it for the giggles?

He also keeps suggesting Im scum when basically everyone in the game is telling him otherwise.

I caught red. He didnt have to threaten to kick my teeth in for me to do it. I just caught him.
I flavour cleared Ulti, I flavour cleared sheep, I was forced by toms redirect to clear him. I cleared puns last night. Though I think hes yet to turn up and confirm my scan.

Ulti can you remember who you thought Tom taunted last night? Ill give you a clue. He thinks hes the Bret Hart of mafia.

I can't believe that Ulti and Lopen started believing Cam's nonsense fake cop claim overnight.

I want to see what Ben has to say (properly and for himself, no quotes from a while back that are up for interpretation). It'd be silly for Ben to be scum here because he just bussed two of his team AND made himself the best lynch if he somehow gets to F3, if that's the case.
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##vote: Cam

Cam is clearly the brains behind the operation. V scummy to deny it.
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I dont understand the claim.

Cam says he caught red, repeatedly, even started crying when red threatened to kick his teeth in. Says hed been on red from the get go. Doesnt scan red the first night though?
Instead scans Bens target Death. Despite claiming he didnt know Ben would get the information at the time.

Has basically pushed me as scum everyday and doubted my credibility over and over but has at no point bothered to scan me and actually get the confirmation he needs to clear me?

Cam. Are you lying/joking to fuck with town or are you really going with this?

Does Sam I Am make sense as a scanner? No.

A great and powerful wizard? Of course.
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Also all the roles have matched the character. All of the power roles I mean. Im a book reader. Big brother watches people. Claudius poisoned people. Samson bit his thumb. Piggy had the conch. Corriks poem was about delaying death. Lily gave her life to save someone else.

You SHOULD have claimed Phantom. Still fits with evil flavour and could at least have been an opera singer.

For what feels like the 50th time.

What. Is. Your. Role?

5tarscream posted...

Also all the roles have matched the character.

Lmao could not have been a more perfect follow up to my post

You just cornered yourself, bro
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Cam even conveniently slipped in that the way to catch the last two is with flavour so scum has no reason to kill him or Ben anymore because they cant catch the last mafia.

Lopen who has doubted almost every power claim in this game. This is the one youre going to not even question?

Maybe Sam doesnt make sense as a cop. It might make sense as scum with Voldemort and no cop though. Especially when this whole argument of the rule of six would be based on us believing what Cam and Luis said. If both are mafia why cant there be seven? Or just 6 and no godfather.

You cant be serious? Cornered myself?

By pointing out that Cams claim doesnt fit the other claims?

Chris told us to follow these guys? Thats the biggest mistake hes made all game.

Super Lopen and his attempts to kill the claimed cop and then the flavour cop. Keep up the good work.

Sam I Am's claim is much more glaring from flavor than Voldemort's! Sam I Am does not like power roles he does not like them.
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Also when have I ever tried to kill you 5tarscream you're paranoid.
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