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Doe 07/03/19 3:36:30 PM #1:	More recent RPGs have infinitely more room for mechanical variety and complexity --- https://i.imgtc.com/e2dtpfR.jpg https://i.imgtc.com/oVB3sDe.jpg <cite>Doe posted [p:924199647] in Most SNES-... [t:77838045]...</cite> <quote>More recent RPGs have infinitely more room for mechanical variety and complexity</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pauIie 07/03/19 3:43:19 PM #2:	not always about variety or complexity. otherwise i'd like xenoblade chronicles 2. --- https://imgur.com/O5APL http://www.last.fm/user/jaeganja <cite>pauIie posted [p:924199948] in Most SNES-... [t:77838045]...</cite> <quote>not always about variety or complexity. otherwise i'd like xenoblade chronicles 2.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doe 07/03/19 3:45:36 PM #3:	Too much can be a problem but SNES-era games are barren --- https://i.imgtc.com/e2dtpfR.jpg https://i.imgtc.com/oVB3sDe.jpg <cite>Doe posted [p:924200040] in Most SNES-... [t:77838045]...</cite> <quote>Too much can be a problem but SNES-era games are barren</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Veggeta X 07/03/19 3:46:20 PM #5:	I agree with this topic. It's the only reason why Xenogears get any praise otherwise people would shit on it. --- Don't like it? Don't watch it. It's that simple Dictator of Nice Guys <cite>Veggeta X posted [p:924200075] in Most SNES-... [t:77838045]...</cite> <quote>I agree with this topic. It's the only reason why Xenogears get any praise otherwise people would shit on it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Vindris_SNH 07/03/19 3:48:17 PM #7:	Boomers? Nah... Older millennials. But honestly SNES JRPGs just had great stories that weren't convoluted like the ones today. They weren't filled with gimmicky combat mechanics like JRPGs today either. I really miss turn based combat. Maybe I'm in the minority in that one but to me it was more suspenseful and strategic. I think there was beauty in the simplicity of the JRPGs of that era. --- glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants? <cite>Vindris_SNH posted [p:924200168] in Most SNES-... [t:77838045]...</cite> <quote>Boomers? Nah... Older millennials. But honestly SNES JRPGs just had great stories that weren't convoluted like the ones today. They weren't filled with gimmicky combat mechanics like JRPGs today either. I really miss turn based combat. Maybe I'm in the minority in that one but to me it was more suspenseful and strategic. I think there was beauty in the simplicity of the JRPGs of that era.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
VandorLee 07/03/19 3:48:54 PM #8:	Theres many great games at the time that are weak now but still get the same praise. --- "God didn't create humans, no, it's humans who created God." Dr. Londes, Cowboy Bebop: "Brain Scratch" (#1.23) (1999) <cite>VandorLee posted [p:924200190] in Most SNES-... [t:77838045]...</cite> <quote>Theres many great games at the time that are weak now but still get the same praise.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bobbaaay 07/03/19 3:48:56 PM #9:	I kiiind of agree? But Ogre Battle was technically from SFC-era and has more depth than most RPGs, and Tactics Ogre still has one of the best stories. Otherwise, yes - I agree that a lot of it is nestalgia. I love(d) FF6 -- but honestly, DQ11 is probably a better game. I'm sure there are tons of newer WRPGs that are better than stuff like Chrono Trigger, too. <cite>bobbaaay posted [p:924200192] in Most SNES-... [t:77838045]...</cite> <quote>I kiiind of agree? But Ogre Battle was technically from SFC-era and has more depth than most RPGs, and Tactics Ogre still has one of the best stories. Otherwise, yes - I agree that a lot of it is nestalgia. I love(d) FF6 -- but honestly, DQ11 is probably a better game. I'm sure there are tons of newer WRPGs that are better than stuff like Chrono Trigger, too.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Leanaunfurled 07/03/19 3:50:41 PM #10:	I really need to play more SNES era JRPGs. I have a big ol' list of classic ones that I need to continue working through. Vindris_SNH posted... I really miss turn based combat. Maybe I'm in the minority in that one but to me it was more suspenseful and strategic. I love turn based and action pretty equally, for myself. I think they both have their place, and I hate the argument that turn based combat shouldn't exist in modern gaming. <cite>Leanaunfurled posted [p:924200284] in Most SNES-... [t:77838045]...</cite> <quote>I really need to play more SNES era JRPGs. I have a big ol' list of classic ones that I need to continue working through. <cite>Vindris_SNH posted...</cite> <quote>I really miss turn based combat. Maybe I'm in the minority in that one but to me it was more suspenseful and strategic. </quote> I love turn based and action pretty equally, for myself. I think they both have their place, and I hate the argument that turn based combat shouldn't exist in modern gaming.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Vindris_SNH 07/03/19 3:52:43 PM #12:	Conflict posted... I can't think of a single modern RPG that had a soundtrack as captivating as Chrono Trigger A lot of good ones out there but... just not quite up to that level Golden Sun 1&2 also had phenomenal soundtracks. --- glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants? <cite>Vindris_SNH posted [p:924200379] in Most SNES-... [t:77838045]...</cite> <quote><cite>Conflict posted...</cite> <quote>I can't think of a single modern RPG that had a soundtrack as captivating as Chrono Trigger A lot of good ones out there but... just not quite up to that level</quote> Golden Sun 1&2 also had phenomenal soundtracks.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hollow_shrine 07/03/19 3:52:59 PM #13:	When it comes to plot bloat and settings which are fun, less is often more. Sometimes I think there was more creativity and less aversion to risk before the success of certain titles began to codify expectations of the genre. And there are still moments that have yet to really be replicated like the ~~death of Chrono, or the sacrifice of Palom and Porom, or the fall of the World of Balance, or the ending medley of FFVI~~ (Huge CT, FFIV, and FFVI spoilers). There a still those moments in newer games, but they feel much less common. On the whole, everything feels more forgettable. I'll admit some of this is unfair. There's a lot of nostalgia and cultural significance upholding those game's ranking. But nothing exists in a vacuum, and I think many of those titles would stay memorable even if they came out today. --- Ignorance is a choice https://imgtc.com/i/7UnK3hx.jpg <cite>hollow_shrine posted [p:924200395] in Most SNES-... [t:77838045]...</cite> <quote>When it comes to plot bloat and settings which are fun, less is often more. Sometimes I think there was more creativity and less aversion to risk before the success of certain titles began to codify expectations of the genre. And there are still moments that have yet to really be replicated like the death of Chrono, or the sacrifice of Palom and Porom, or the fall of the World of Balance, or the ending medley of FFVI (Huge CT, FFIV, and FFVI spoilers). There a still those moments in newer games, but they feel much less common. On the whole, everything feels more forgettable. I'll admit some of this is unfair. There's a lot of nostalgia and cultural significance upholding those game's ranking. But nothing exists in a vacuum, and I think many of those titles would stay memorable even if they came out today.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bobbaaay 07/03/19 3:53:01 PM #14:	Leanaunfurled posted... I really need to play more SNES era JRPGs. I have a big ol' list of classic ones that I need to continue working through. Vindris_SNH posted... I really miss turn based combat. Maybe I'm in the minority in that one but to me it was more suspenseful and strategic. I love turn based and action pretty equally, for myself. I think they both have their place, and I hate the argument that turn based combat shouldn't exist in modern gaming. Real time is to turn-based as LARPing is to D&D; the latter definitely feels more fun and strategic. <cite>bobbaaay posted [p:924200398] in Most SNES-... [t:77838045]...</cite> <quote><cite>Leanaunfurled posted...</cite> <quote>I really need to play more SNES era JRPGs. I have a big ol' list of classic ones that I need to continue working through. <cite>Vindris_SNH posted...</cite> <quote>I really miss turn based combat. Maybe I'm in the minority in that one but to me it was more suspenseful and strategic. </quote> I love turn based and action pretty equally, for myself. I think they both have their place, and I hate the argument that turn based combat shouldn't exist in modern gaming.</quote> Real time is to turn-based as LARPing is to D&D; the latter definitely feels more fun and strategic.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 07/03/19 3:54:34 PM #15:	Boomers? lol. Is this a Gen Z topic? --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. <cite>Zeus posted [p:924200469] in Most SNES-... [t:77838045]...</cite> <quote>Boomers? lol. Is this a Gen Z topic?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
VandorLee 07/03/19 3:55:07 PM #16:	I think Chrono Triggers story is awful. --- "God didn't create humans, no, it's humans who created God." Dr. Londes, Cowboy Bebop: "Brain Scratch" (#1.23) (1999) <cite>VandorLee posted [p:924200498] in Most SNES-... [t:77838045]...</cite> <quote>I think Chrono Triggers story is awful.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hollow_shrine 07/03/19 3:55:58 PM #17:	VandorLee posted... I think Chrono Triggers story is awful. That's like the third time I think you've expressed that opinion on this board today. bobbaaay posted... But Ogre Battle was technically from SFC-era and has more depth than most RPGs, and Tactics Ogre still has one of the best stories. I wish the PSP re-release of that game kept some of original mechanics too, because some of them actually made the game more challenging. --- Ignorance is a choice https://imgtc.com/i/7UnK3hx.jpg <cite>hollow_shrine posted [p:924200535] in Most SNES-... [t:77838045]...</cite> <quote><cite>VandorLee posted...</cite> <quote>I think Chrono Triggers story is awful.</quote> That's like the third time I think you've expressed that opinion on this board today. <cite>bobbaaay posted...</cite> <quote>But Ogre Battle was technically from SFC-era and has more depth than most RPGs, and Tactics Ogre still has one of the best stories.</quote> I wish the PSP re-release of that game kept some of original mechanics too, because some of them actually made the game more challenging.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Veggeta X 07/03/19 3:56:37 PM #18:	hollow_shrine posted... VandorLee posted... I think Chrono Triggers story is awful. That's like the third time I think you've expressed that opinion on this board today. He also thinks Kefka is one of the most greatest video game villains of all time. --- Don't like it? Don't watch it. It's that simple Dictator of Nice Guys <cite>Veggeta X posted [p:924200563] in Most SNES-... [t:77838045]...</cite> <quote><cite>hollow_shrine posted...</cite> <quote><cite>VandorLee posted...</cite> <quote>I think Chrono Triggers story is awful.</quote> That's like the third time I think you've expressed that opinion on this board today.</quote> He also thinks Kefka is one of the most greatest video game villains of all time.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 07/03/19 3:58:05 PM #19:	I think JRPGs peaked in the PS2 era myself --- But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:924200639] in Most SNES-... [t:77838045]...</cite> <quote>I think JRPGs peaked in the PS2 era myself</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
VandorLee 07/03/19 3:58:52 PM #20:	Veggeta X posted... hollow_shrine posted... VandorLee posted... I think Chrono Triggers story is awful. That's like the third time I think you've expressed that opinion on this board today. He also thinks Kefka is one of the most greatest video game villains of all time. Its that awful. In arguments with Kefka its clearly explained by his accomplishments, you fail at any rebuttal and just get upset but then bring it up later. Weird thing to do. Like now. In 3 days 4 topics with Chrono trigger have come up and plenty of topocs mention it so this board is really biased towards it. Stop acting like i randomly share opinions about it. --- "God didn't create humans, no, it's humans who created God." Dr. Londes, Cowboy Bebop: "Brain Scratch" (#1.23) (1999) <cite>VandorLee posted [p:924200673] in Most SNES-... [t:77838045]...</cite> <quote><cite>Veggeta X posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hollow_shrine posted...</cite> <quote><cite>VandorLee posted...</cite> <quote>I think Chrono Triggers story is awful.</quote> That's like the third time I think you've expressed that opinion on this board today.</quote> He also thinks Kefka is one of the most greatest video game villains of all time.</quote> Its that awful. In arguments with Kefka its clearly explained by his accomplishments, you fail at any rebuttal and just get upset but then bring it up later. Weird thing to do. Like now. In 3 days 4 topics with Chrono trigger have come up and plenty of topocs mention it so this board is really biased towards it. Stop acting like i randomly share opinions about it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 07/03/19 3:59:16 PM #21:	Vindris_SNH posted... Boomers? Nah... Older millennials. But honestly SNES JRPGs just had great stories that weren't convoluted like the ones today. They weren't filled with gimmicky combat mechanics like JRPGs today either. I really miss turn based combat. Maybe I'm in the minority in that one but to me it was more suspenseful and strategic. I think there was beauty in the simplicity of the JRPGs of that era. Nah. Most SNES JRPGs were formulaic tripe that boil down to rehashed LOTR or a fantasy Star Wars. Part of this is because that they were based off predominantly Ultima and Wizardry which were attempts to recreate D&D as a video game which drew heavy inspiration from LOTR for its themes. The very very very first documents actually straight up had a race called Hobbits and Gygax got a legal threat about it and he changed it to Halfling. I'd say the first time we really got a truly original Japanese original no-western inspirations JRPG was Sailor Moon Another Story but if we're not going to count that, then it's probably Final Fantasy 8. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:924200689] in Most SNES-... [t:77838045]...</cite> <quote><cite>Vindris_SNH posted...</cite> <quote>Boomers? Nah... Older millennials. But honestly SNES JRPGs just had great stories that weren't convoluted like the ones today. They weren't filled with gimmicky combat mechanics like JRPGs today either. I really miss turn based combat. Maybe I'm in the minority in that one but to me it was more suspenseful and strategic. I think there was beauty in the simplicity of the JRPGs of that era.</quote> Nah. Most SNES JRPGs were formulaic tripe that boil down to rehashed LOTR or a fantasy Star Wars. Part of this is because that they were based off predominantly Ultima and Wizardry which were attempts to recreate D&D as a video game which drew heavy inspiration from LOTR for its themes. The very very very first documents actually straight up had a race called Hobbits and Gygax got a legal threat about it and he changed it to Halfling. I'd say the first time we really got a truly original Japanese original no-western inspirations JRPG was Sailor Moon Another Story but if we're not going to count that, then it's probably Final Fantasy 8.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 07/03/19 4:00:13 PM #22:	Veggeta X posted... hollow_shrine posted... VandorLee posted... I think Chrono Triggers story is awful. That's like the third time I think you've expressed that opinion on this board today. He also thinks Kefka is one of the most greatest video game villains of all time. You should make that Kefka topic again I enjoy those --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:924200733] in Most SNES-... [t:77838045]...</cite> <quote><cite>Veggeta X posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hollow_shrine posted...</cite> <quote><cite>VandorLee posted...</cite> <quote>I think Chrono Triggers story is awful.</quote> That's like the third time I think you've expressed that opinion on this board today.</quote> He also thinks Kefka is one of the most greatest video game villains of all time.</quote> You should make that Kefka topic again I enjoy those</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Veggeta X 07/03/19 4:00:54 PM #23:	VandorLee posted... In arguments with Kefka its clearly explained by his accomplishments, you fail at any rebuttal and just get upset but then bring it up later. Weird thing to do. Like now. I've already gave you a clean and good rebuttal. Plenty of times. --- Don't like it? Don't watch it. It's that simple Dictator of Nice Guys <cite>Veggeta X posted [p:924200766] in Most SNES-... [t:77838045]...</cite> <quote><cite>VandorLee posted...</cite> <quote>In arguments with Kefka its clearly explained by his accomplishments, you fail at any rebuttal and just get upset but then bring it up later. Weird thing to do. Like now.</quote> I've already gave you a clean and good rebuttal. Plenty of times.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Leanaunfurled 07/03/19 4:01:49 PM #24:	I really need to play FFVI, damn. >_> It's the only FF I've yet to play lol. I can't join the Kefka debates yet. <cite>Leanaunfurled posted [p:924200801] in Most SNES-... [t:77838045]...</cite> <quote>I really need to play FFVI, damn. >_> It's the only FF I've yet to play lol. I can't join the Kefka debates yet.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
VandorLee 07/03/19 4:02:36 PM #25:	Tyranthraxus posted... Veggeta X posted... hollow_shrine posted... VandorLee posted... I think Chrono Triggers story is awful. That's like the third time I think you've expressed that opinion on this board today. He also thinks Kefka is one of the most greatest video game villains of all time. You should make that Kefka topic again I enjoy those The exact same topic every time. He doesnt like Kefka while others say hes done the most awful acts than most villains. Thats it. Its notable. Hes a stupid laughing Jester inspired by Joker but he did a lot of evil crap. --- "God didn't create humans, no, it's humans who created God." Dr. Londes, Cowboy Bebop: "Brain Scratch" (#1.23) (1999) <cite>VandorLee posted [p:924200838] in Most SNES-... [t:77838045]...</cite> <quote><cite>Tyranthraxus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Veggeta X posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hollow_shrine posted...</cite> <quote><cite>VandorLee posted...</cite> <quote>I think Chrono Triggers story is awful.</quote> That's like the third time I think you've expressed that opinion on this board today.</quote> He also thinks Kefka is one of the most greatest video game villains of all time.</quote> You should make that Kefka topic again I enjoy those</quote> The exact same topic every time. He doesnt like Kefka while others say hes done the most awful acts than most villains. Thats it. Its notable. Hes a stupid laughing Jester inspired by Joker but he did a lot of evil crap.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
VandorLee 07/03/19 4:03:07 PM #26:	Veggeta X posted... VandorLee posted... In arguments with Kefka its clearly explained by his accomplishments, you fail at any rebuttal and just get upset but then bring it up later. Weird thing to do. Like now. I've already gave you a clean and good rebuttal. Plenty of times. No you didnt. --- "God didn't create humans, no, it's humans who created God." Dr. Londes, Cowboy Bebop: "Brain Scratch" (#1.23) (1999) <cite>VandorLee posted [p:924200862] in Most SNES-... [t:77838045]...</cite> <quote><cite>Veggeta X posted...</cite> <quote><cite>VandorLee posted...</cite> <quote>In arguments with Kefka its clearly explained by his accomplishments, you fail at any rebuttal and just get upset but then bring it up later. Weird thing to do. Like now.</quote> I've already gave you a clean and good rebuttal. Plenty of times.</quote> No you didnt.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Veggeta X 07/03/19 4:04:43 PM #27:	You're looking at Kefka too black and white. You don't want to read the context on how he did his things. --- Don't like it? Don't watch it. It's that simple Dictator of Nice Guys <cite>Veggeta X posted [p:924200929] in Most SNES-... [t:77838045]...</cite> <quote>You're looking at Kefka too black and white. You don't want to read the context on how he did his things.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hollow_shrine 07/03/19 4:04:59 PM #28:	Veggeta X posted... hollow_shrine posted... VandorLee posted... I think Chrono Triggers story is awful. That's like the third time I think you've expressed that opinion on this board today. He also thinks Kefka is one of the most greatest video game villains of all time. I personally want to agree, but would need to qualify that in so many ways to just state so without a lot of clarification and context. I agree that he's a good example of the pure evil villain done right, and a great example of the seemingly inconsequential peon who reveals himself to be a complete monster when the circumstances suit him. His backstory is neat enough to not need too much exposition and it resonates thematically with two other cast members Celes and Leo because he's the prototype of the other magic knights. His sanity was essentially sacrificed to create the morally conflicted Celes, and Paladin archetype Leo, who is so upstanding he threatens to foil the Empire's ambitions. And of course, none of these people exist without the apparent torture and genocide of the Phantom Beasts. So there's tons to explore there. For all I love about the character, I find the concept of arguing over character rankings really really tired. I'd rather read close reading/character analysis. --- Ignorance is a choice https://imgtc.com/i/7UnK3hx.jpg <cite>hollow_shrine posted [p:924200939] in Most SNES-... [t:77838045]...</cite> <quote><cite>Veggeta X posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hollow_shrine posted...</cite> <quote><cite>VandorLee posted...</cite> <quote>I think Chrono Triggers story is awful.</quote> That's like the third time I think you've expressed that opinion on this board today.</quote> He also thinks Kefka is one of the most greatest video game villains of all time.</quote> I personally want to agree, but would need to qualify that in so many ways to just state so without a lot of clarification and context. I agree that he's a good example of the pure evil villain done right, and a great example of the seemingly inconsequential peon who reveals himself to be a complete monster when the circumstances suit him. His backstory is neat enough to not need too much exposition and it resonates thematically with two other cast members Celes and Leo because he's the prototype of the other magic knights. His sanity was essentially sacrificed to create the morally conflicted Celes, and Paladin archetype Leo, who is so upstanding he threatens to foil the Empire's ambitions. And of course, none of these people exist without the apparent torture and genocide of the Phantom Beasts. So there's tons to explore there. For all I love about the character, I find the concept of arguing over character rankings really really tired. I'd rather read close reading/character analysis.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
fusespliff 07/03/19 4:05:54 PM #29:	Leanaunfurled posted... I really need to play FFVI, damn. >_> It's the only FF I've yet to play lol. I can't join the Kefka debates yet. Been a while since I needed the ol' torch and pitchfork --- ... <cite>fusespliff posted [p:924200978] in Most SNES-... [t:77838045]...</cite> <quote><cite>Leanaunfurled posted...</cite> <quote>I really need to play FFVI, damn. >_> It's the only FF I've yet to play lol. I can't join the Kefka debates yet.</quote> Been a while since I needed the ol' torch and pitchfork</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bobbaaay 07/03/19 4:06:06 PM #30:	hollow_shrine posted... VandorLee posted... I think Chrono Triggers story is awful. That's like the third time I think you've expressed that opinion on this board today. bobbaaay posted... But Ogre Battle was technically from SFC-era and has more depth than most RPGs, and Tactics Ogre still has one of the best stories. I wish the PSP re-release of that game kept some of original mechanics too, because some of them actually made the game more challenging. I mean, it was super easy to break the original game -- but I think with a story as solid as it has, and the few challenges still presented, that it was fine how it was. The remake didn't need to be Tactics Ogre: War of the Lions. <cite>bobbaaay posted [p:924200989] in Most SNES-... [t:77838045]...</cite> <quote><cite>hollow_shrine posted...</cite> <quote><cite>VandorLee posted...</cite> <quote>I think Chrono Triggers story is awful.</quote> That's like the third time I think you've expressed that opinion on this board today. <cite>bobbaaay posted...</cite> <quote>But Ogre Battle was technically from SFC-era and has more depth than most RPGs, and Tactics Ogre still has one of the best stories.</quote> I wish the PSP re-release of that game kept some of original mechanics too, because some of them actually made the game more challenging.</quote> I mean, it was super easy to break the original game -- but I think with a story as solid as it has, and the few challenges still presented, that it was fine how it was. The remake didn't need to be Tactics Ogre: War of the Lions.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 07/03/19 4:06:45 PM #31:	Tyranthraxus posted... I'd say the first time we really got a truly original Japanese original no-western inspirations JRPG was Sailor Moon Another Story but if we're not going to count that, then it's probably Final Fantasy 8. wouldn't any of the anime based games count? e.g., legend of the super saiyan, which came out way before the sailor moon rpg or is there another reason you say it doesn't have western influences? --- But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:924201016] in Most SNES-... [t:77838045]...</cite> <quote><cite>Tyranthraxus posted...</cite> <quote>I'd say the first time we really got a truly original Japanese original no-western inspirations JRPG was Sailor Moon Another Story but if we're not going to count that, then it's probably Final Fantasy 8.</quote> wouldn't any of the anime based games count? e.g., legend of the super saiyan, which came out way before the sailor moon rpg or is there another reason you say it doesn't have western influences?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
VandorLee 07/03/19 4:07:10 PM #32:	Veggeta X posted... You're looking at Kefka too black and white. You don't want to read the context on how he did his things. Whats your point? Fact: Villain did large scale evil acts constantly throughout a game. Hence high reputation. Thats it. --- "God didn't create humans, no, it's humans who created God." Dr. Londes, Cowboy Bebop: "Brain Scratch" (#1.23) (1999) <cite>VandorLee posted [p:924201036] in Most SNES-... [t:77838045]...</cite> <quote><cite>Veggeta X posted...</cite> <quote>You're looking at Kefka too black and white. You don't want to read the context on how he did his things.</quote> Whats your point? Fact: Villain did large scale evil acts constantly throughout a game. Hence high reputation. Thats it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Veggeta X 07/03/19 4:09:25 PM #33:	hollow_shrine posted... a great example of the seemingly inconsequential peon who reveals himself to be a complete monster when the circumstances suit him. He's none of this. He was just a dude who got lucky and YOLO'd everything. He was not a rags to riches story where he worked hard and had a pursued plan. He was just literally insane and did everything in desperation and it worked out for him. But apparently how he did it doesn't matter to VandorLee. It's that he did it. --- Don't like it? Don't watch it. It's that simple Dictator of Nice Guys <cite>Veggeta X posted [p:924201124] in Most SNES-... [t:77838045]...</cite> <quote><cite>hollow_shrine posted...</cite> <quote>a great example of the seemingly inconsequential peon who reveals himself to be a complete monster when the circumstances suit him.</quote> He's none of this. He was just a dude who got lucky and YOLO'd everything. He was not a rags to riches story where he worked hard and had a pursued plan. He was just literally insane and did everything in desperation and it worked out for him. But apparently how he did it doesn't matter to VandorLee. It's that he did it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Veggeta X 07/03/19 4:10:02 PM #34:	VandorLee posted... Whats your point? Veggeta X posted... You're looking at Kefka too black and white. You don't want to read the context on how he did his things. --- Don't like it? Don't watch it. It's that simple Dictator of Nice Guys <cite>Veggeta X posted [p:924201148] in Most SNES-... [t:77838045]...</cite> <quote><cite>VandorLee posted...</cite> <quote>Whats your point?</quote> <cite>Veggeta X posted...</cite> <quote>You're looking at Kefka too black and white. You don't want to read the context on how he did his things.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hollow_shrine 07/03/19 4:10:05 PM #35:	bobbaaay posted... The remake didn't need to be Tactics Ogre: War of the Lions. I actually really like the War of the Lions FFT remake. I don't know why people dislike it so much. I love the idea that Shakespearean English is just de rigeur in Ivalice. --- Ignorance is a choice https://imgtc.com/i/7UnK3hx.jpg <cite>hollow_shrine posted [p:924201153] in Most SNES-... [t:77838045]...</cite> <quote><cite>bobbaaay posted...</cite> <quote>The remake didn't need to be Tactics Ogre: War of the Lions.</quote> I actually really like the War of the Lions FFT remake. I don't know why people dislike it so much. I love the idea that Shakespearean English is just de rigeur in Ivalice.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
VandorLee 07/03/19 4:11:15 PM #36:	Veggeta X posted... hollow_shrine posted... a great example of the seemingly inconsequential peon who reveals himself to be a complete monster when the circumstances suit him. He's none of this. He was just a dude who got lucky and YOLO'd everything. He was not a rags to riches story where he worked hard and had a pursued plan. He was just literally insane and did everything in desperation and it worked out for him. But apparently how he did it doesn't matter to VandorLee. It's that he did it. Hes doing it again. Same points. If anything hes Kefkas hype man because he talks about him so much. Im glad VegX doesnt seem to know my alts as he never does this with them. --- "God didn't create humans, no, it's humans who created God." Dr. Londes, Cowboy Bebop: "Brain Scratch" (#1.23) (1999) <cite>VandorLee posted [p:924201195] in Most SNES-... [t:77838045]...</cite> <quote><cite>Veggeta X posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hollow_shrine posted...</cite> <quote>a great example of the seemingly inconsequential peon who reveals himself to be a complete monster when the circumstances suit him.</quote> He's none of this. He was just a dude who got lucky and YOLO'd everything. He was not a rags to riches story where he worked hard and had a pursued plan. He was just literally insane and did everything in desperation and it worked out for him. But apparently how he did it doesn't matter to VandorLee. It's that he did it. </quote> Hes doing it again. Same points. If anything hes Kefkas hype man because he talks about him so much. Im glad VegX doesnt seem to know my alts as he never does this with them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Leanaunfurled 07/03/19 4:11:16 PM #37:	fusespliff posted... Leanaunfurled posted... I really need to play FFVI, damn. >_> It's the only FF I've yet to play lol. I can't join the Kefka debates yet. Been a while since I needed the ol' torch and pitchfork :( I'll get to it. <cite>Leanaunfurled posted [p:924201197] in Most SNES-... [t:77838045]...</cite> <quote><cite>fusespliff posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Leanaunfurled posted...</cite> <quote>I really need to play FFVI, damn. >_> It's the only FF I've yet to play lol. I can't join the Kefka debates yet.</quote> Been a while since I needed the ol' torch and pitchfork</quote> :( I'll get to it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GreatEvilEmpire 07/03/19 4:11:24 PM #38:	Are they some of the best RPGs ever made? Arguable. Are they some of the greatest RPGs ever made? Absolutely. Many games didn't age that well, but they're earned their greatness by influencing console RPGs for every generation since their original release. I liked the simplicity of some the SNES RPGs compared to some of the unnecessary complexities (item collecting, crafting and an overabundance of cut scenes) of many modern RPGs they used to extend play time. But we know one thing's for sure. SNES RPGs had some of the best soundtracks of any generation. They actually focused on melodies and composition instead of a heavy focus on mood music in the last few generations. --- Sig under construction! <cite>GreatEvilEmpire posted [p:924201202] in Most SNES-... [t:77838045]...</cite> <quote>Are they some of the best RPGs ever made? Arguable. Are they some of the greatest RPGs ever made? Absolutely. Many games didn't age that well, but they're earned their greatness by influencing console RPGs for every generation since their original release. I liked the simplicity of some the SNES RPGs compared to some of the unnecessary complexities (item collecting, crafting and an overabundance of cut scenes) of many modern RPGs they used to extend play time. But we know one thing's for sure. SNES RPGs had some of the best soundtracks of any generation. They actually focused on melodies and composition instead of a heavy focus on mood music in the last few generations.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Veggeta X 07/03/19 4:12:33 PM #39:	VandorLee posted... Hes doing it again. Same points. If anything hes Kefkas hype man because he talks about him so much.Im glad VegX doesnt seem to know my alts as he never does this with them. Okay @Lairen --- Don't like it? Don't watch it. It's that simple Dictator of Nice Guys <cite>Veggeta X posted [p:924201242] in Most SNES-... [t:77838045]...</cite> <quote><cite>VandorLee posted...</cite> <quote>Hes doing it again. Same points. If anything hes Kefkas hype man because he talks about him so much.Im glad VegX doesnt seem to know my alts as he never does this with them.</quote> Okay @Lairen</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hollow_shrine 07/03/19 4:13:19 PM #40:	Veggeta X posted... hollow_shrine posted... a great example of the seemingly inconsequential peon who reveals himself to be a complete monster when the circumstances suit him. He's none of this. He was just a dude who got lucky and YOLO'd everything. He was not a rags to riches story where he worked hard and had a pursued plan. He was just literally insane and did everything in desperation and it worked out for him. But apparently how he did it doesn't matter to VandorLee. It's that he did it. He was a normal man before the experiments that turned him into a magic knight. The process psychologically screwed with everyone and made them lose parts of themselves, even good guy General Leo, who was too much of a saint afterwards to realize the people he served were 100% the bad guys in the conflict. --- Ignorance is a choice https://imgtc.com/i/7UnK3hx.jpg <cite>hollow_shrine posted [p:924201275] in Most SNES-... [t:77838045]...</cite> <quote><cite>Veggeta X posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hollow_shrine posted...</cite> <quote>a great example of the seemingly inconsequential peon who reveals himself to be a complete monster when the circumstances suit him.</quote> He's none of this. He was just a dude who got lucky and YOLO'd everything. He was not a rags to riches story where he worked hard and had a pursued plan. He was just literally insane and did everything in desperation and it worked out for him. But apparently how he did it doesn't matter to VandorLee. It's that he did it. </quote> He was a normal man before the experiments that turned him into a magic knight. The process psychologically screwed with everyone and made them lose parts of themselves, even good guy General Leo, who was too much of a saint afterwards to realize the people he served were 100% the bad guys in the conflict.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
VandorLee 07/03/19 4:14:04 PM #41:	Veggeta X posted... VandorLee posted... Hes doing it again. Same points. If anything hes Kefkas hype man because he talks about him so much.Im glad VegX doesnt seem to know my alts as he never does this with them. Okay @Lairen Yet you dont cry about Kefka to Lairen. Weird. --- "God didn't create humans, no, it's humans who created God." Dr. Londes, Cowboy Bebop: "Brain Scratch" (#1.23) (1999) <cite>VandorLee posted [p:924201296] in Most SNES-... [t:77838045]...</cite> <quote><cite>Veggeta X posted...</cite> <quote><cite>VandorLee posted...</cite> <quote>Hes doing it again. Same points. If anything hes Kefkas hype man because he talks about him so much.Im glad VegX doesnt seem to know my alts as he never does this with them.</quote> Okay @Lairen</quote> Yet you dont cry about Kefka to Lairen. Weird.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 07/03/19 4:15:07 PM #42:	Balrog0 posted... wouldn't any of the anime based games count? e.g., legend of the super saiyan, which came out way before the sailor moon rpg or is there another reason you say it doesn't have western influences? Wasn't aware of that one but really I don't think counting manga adaptations is fair. Just like I wouldn't particularly count something like Lollirock as a western-themed show. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:924201341] in Most SNES-... [t:77838045]...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote>wouldn't any of the anime based games count? e.g., legend of the super saiyan, which came out way before the sailor moon rpg or is there another reason you say it doesn't have western influences?</quote> Wasn't aware of that one but really I don't think counting manga adaptations is fair. Just like I wouldn't particularly count something like Lollirock as a western-themed show.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hollow_shrine 07/03/19 4:16:06 PM #43:	And real talk, the arranged soundtrack of the PSP Tactics Ogre game is great. It sounds amazing, and I love how Hitoshi Sakimoto kind of defined the musical identity of the 90's tactical RPG. Okay, I know he didn't do Front Mission. But everything else. Tyranthraxus posted... Balrog0 posted... wouldn't any of the anime based games count? e.g., legend of the super saiyan, which came out way before the sailor moon rpg or is there another reason you say it doesn't have western influences? Wasn't aware of that one but really I don't think counting manga adaptations is fair. Just like I wouldn't particularly count something like Lollirock as a western-themed show. Well I wouldn't say Legend of the Super Sayajin doesn't have Western influences. It's coming out after Final Fantasy and clearly borrows elements from that, the early Megaten titles, and Dragon Quest, all of which themselves are borrowing aspects from Western tabletop RPGs. --- Ignorance is a choice https://imgtc.com/i/7UnK3hx.jpg <cite>hollow_shrine posted [p:924201374] in Most SNES-... [t:77838045]...</cite> <quote>And real talk, the arranged soundtrack of the PSP Tactics Ogre game is great. It sounds amazing, and I love how Hitoshi Sakimoto kind of defined the musical identity of the 90's tactical RPG. Okay, I know he didn't do Front Mission. But everything else. <cite>Tyranthraxus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote>wouldn't any of the anime based games count? e.g., legend of the super saiyan, which came out way before the sailor moon rpg or is there another reason you say it doesn't have western influences?</quote> Wasn't aware of that one but really I don't think counting manga adaptations is fair. Just like I wouldn't particularly count something like Lollirock as a western-themed show.</quote> Well I wouldn't say Legend of the Super Sayajin doesn't have Western influences. It's coming out after Final Fantasy and clearly borrows elements from that, the early Megaten titles, and Dragon Quest, all of which themselves are borrowing aspects from Western tabletop RPGs.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Veggeta X 07/03/19 4:17:12 PM #44:	VandorLee posted... Yet you dont cry about Kefka to Lairen. Weird. Because he's you LMAO --- Don't like it? Don't watch it. It's that simple Dictator of Nice Guys <cite>Veggeta X posted [p:924201424] in Most SNES-... [t:77838045]...</cite> <quote><cite>VandorLee posted...</cite> <quote>Yet you dont cry about Kefka to Lairen. Weird.</quote> Because he's you LMAO</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
VandorLee 07/03/19 4:18:18 PM #45:	Veggeta X posted... VandorLee posted... Yet you dont cry about Kefka to Lairen. Weird. Because he's you LMAO But you dont cry to Lairen about Kefka. You only have these Kefkagasms to me. --- "God didn't create humans, no, it's humans who created God." Dr. Londes, Cowboy Bebop: "Brain Scratch" (#1.23) (1999) <cite>VandorLee posted [p:924201474] in Most SNES-... [t:77838045]...</cite> <quote><cite>Veggeta X posted...</cite> <quote><cite>VandorLee posted...</cite> <quote>Yet you dont cry about Kefka to Lairen. Weird.</quote> Because he's you LMAO</quote> But you dont cry to Lairen about Kefka. You only have these Kefkagasms to me.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 07/03/19 4:19:48 PM #46:	Veggeta X posted... hollow_shrine posted... a great example of the seemingly inconsequential peon who reveals himself to be a complete monster when the circumstances suit him. He's none of this. He was just a dude who got lucky and YOLO'd everything. He was not a rags to riches story where he worked hard and had a pursued plan. He was just literally insane and did everything in desperation and it worked out for him. But apparently how he did it doesn't matter to VandorLee. It's that he did it. so you're suggesting that his poisoning of Doma, getting arrested, subsequently going to jail for it, all the while it was actually a secret plan with the emperor to backstab both Leo and the espers was a spur of the moment insane desperate tactic? --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:924201526] in Most SNES-... [t:77838045]...</cite> <quote><cite>Veggeta X posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hollow_shrine posted...</cite> <quote>a great example of the seemingly inconsequential peon who reveals himself to be a complete monster when the circumstances suit him.</quote> He's none of this. He was just a dude who got lucky and YOLO'd everything. He was not a rags to riches story where he worked hard and had a pursued plan. He was just literally insane and did everything in desperation and it worked out for him. But apparently how he did it doesn't matter to VandorLee. It's that he did it. </quote> so you're suggesting that his poisoning of Doma, getting arrested, subsequently going to jail for it, all the while it was actually a secret plan with the emperor to backstab both Leo and the espers was a spur of the moment insane desperate tactic?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 07/03/19 4:21:03 PM #47:	Tyranthraxus posted... Balrog0 posted... wouldn't any of the anime based games count? e.g., legend of the super saiyan, which came out way before the sailor moon rpg or is there another reason you say it doesn't have western influences? Wasn't aware of that one but really I don't think counting manga adaptations is fair. Just like I wouldn't particularly count something like Lollirock as a western-themed show. So what is it about the Sailor Moon game that makes it not western influenced iyo? hollow_shrine posted... Well I wouldn't say Legend of the Super Sayajin doesn't have Western influences. It's coming out after Final Fantasy and clearly borrows elements from that, the early Megaten titles, and Dragon Quest, all of which themselves are borrowing aspects from Western tabletop RPGs. I mean, it's one of the most distinct turn based RPGs of the early 90s... What western DnD-based games have card based combat? --- But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:924201570] in Most SNES-... [t:77838045]...</cite> <quote><cite>Tyranthraxus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote>wouldn't any of the anime based games count? e.g., legend of the super saiyan, which came out way before the sailor moon rpg or is there another reason you say it doesn't have western influences?</quote> Wasn't aware of that one but really I don't think counting manga adaptations is fair. Just like I wouldn't particularly count something like Lollirock as a western-themed show.</quote> So what is it about the Sailor Moon game that makes it not western influenced iyo? <cite>hollow_shrine posted...</cite> <quote>Well I wouldn't say Legend of the Super Sayajin doesn't have Western influences. It's coming out after Final Fantasy and clearly borrows elements from that, the early Megaten titles, and Dragon Quest, all of which themselves are borrowing aspects from Western tabletop RPGs. </quote> I mean, it's one of the most distinct turn based RPGs of the early 90s... What western DnD-based games have card based combat?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bobbaaay 07/03/19 4:22:00 PM #48:	hollow_shrine posted... bobbaaay posted... The remake didn't need to be Tactics Ogre: War of the Lions. I actually really like the War of the Lions FFT remake. I don't know why people dislike it so much. I love the idea that Shakespearean English is just de rigeur in Ivalice. I don't dislike it. I just meant that the remake of Tactics Ogre I think was geared towards fans of FFT. Most of the changes to the game made it feel more like FFT than TO. <cite>bobbaaay posted [p:924201615] in Most SNES-... [t:77838045]...</cite> <quote><cite>hollow_shrine posted...</cite> <quote><cite>bobbaaay posted...</cite> <quote>The remake didn't need to be Tactics Ogre: War of the Lions.</quote> I actually really like the War of the Lions FFT remake. I don't know why people dislike it so much. I love the idea that Shakespearean English is just de rigeur in Ivalice.</quote> I don't dislike it. I just meant that the remake of Tactics Ogre I think was geared towards fans of FFT. Most of the changes to the game made it feel more like FFT than TO.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
VandorLee 07/03/19 4:22:01 PM #49:	Kefkas done a lot of evil things and bursts out laughing over them. Villain of results with little character. --- "God didn't create humans, no, it's humans who created God." Dr. Londes, Cowboy Bebop: "Brain Scratch" (#1.23) (1999) <cite>VandorLee posted [p:924201618] in Most SNES-... [t:77838045]...</cite> <quote>Kefkas done a lot of evil things and bursts out laughing over them. Villain of results with little character.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Veggeta X 07/03/19 4:23:30 PM #50:	Tyranthraxus posted... Veggeta X posted... hollow_shrine posted... a great example of the seemingly inconsequential peon who reveals himself to be a complete monster when the circumstances suit him. He's none of this. He was just a dude who got lucky and YOLO'd everything. He was not a rags to riches story where he worked hard and had a pursued plan. He was just literally insane and did everything in desperation and it worked out for him. But apparently how he did it doesn't matter to VandorLee. It's that he did it. so you're suggesting that his poisoning of Doma, getting arrested, subsequently going to jail for it, all the while it was actually a secret plan with the emperor to backstab both Leo and the espers was a spur of the moment insane desperate tactic? You're implying that it was a super secret God-like plan? Hm hm hm --- Don't like it? Don't watch it. It's that simple Dictator of Nice Guys <cite>Veggeta X posted [p:924201693] in Most SNES-... [t:77838045]...</cite> <quote><cite>Tyranthraxus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Veggeta X posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hollow_shrine posted...</cite> <quote>a great example of the seemingly inconsequential peon who reveals himself to be a complete monster when the circumstances suit him.</quote> He's none of this. He was just a dude who got lucky and YOLO'd everything. He was not a rags to riches story where he worked hard and had a pursued plan. He was just literally insane and did everything in desperation and it worked out for him. But apparently how he did it doesn't matter to VandorLee. It's that he did it. </quote> so you're suggesting that his poisoning of Doma, getting arrested, subsequently going to jail for it, all the while it was actually a secret plan with the emperor to backstab both Leo and the espers was a spur of the moment insane desperate tactic?</quote> You're implying that it was a super secret God-like plan? Hm hm hm</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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