Board 8 > English Literature Mafia Topic 17: The Climax?!

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Playerlist (14 alive)
1. Pezloco
2. UltimaterializerX
3. Lea3Lea
4. Benjamin
5. SBell (Obellisk)
6. Camarija
7. 5tarscream
8. Hbthebattle
9. Death (HtaeD)
10. Tom Bombadil
11. Lopen
12. turbopuns3
13. Corrik
14. Lolo_Guru

Deadlist (7 dead)
LD1 - Luis_Sera aka The One Ring (Lord of the Rings), MAFIA Redirector
KN1 - Scarechan (replaced eaedwards) aka J.D. Salinger (as portrayed on BoJack Horseman), TOWN Villager
LD2 - Red13n aka Nyarlathotep (H.P. Lovecraft), MAFIA Backup
MKN2 - TheSultanOfSlam aka Atticus Finch (To Kill A Mockingbird), TOWN Mayor
KN2 - Dowolf aka Piggy (Lord of the Flies), TOWN Kingmaker
KN2 - Sir Chris aka g (the English alphabet), TOWN Villager
LD3 - MZero aka Petra Arkanian (Enders Game), TOWN Villager

Votals (as of start of topic)
(4) Death: (Lea), Corrik, (Lea), (puns), 5tar, Tom, (Lea), Lea
(3) Ben: Lopen, Hb, Death
(3) Pez: (Lea), Ulti, (Lea), Cam, (Lea), SBell, (Lea)
(0) Lolo: (puns), (Lopen), (Hb)
(0) Lea: (puns), (5tar)
(0) puns: (Lea)
(0) Cam: (Ulti)

With 14 players alive, it takes 8 votes to reach a majority. Day will end on Saturday, June 29th at 9PM EDT or if majority is reached ahead of time.
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Tom Bombadil posted...

er I'm confusing myself

I don't find it likely that
-Ben is town cop
-AND EITHER He got a redirect n1 AND Han straight up lied to him
-OR Pez is more valuable than Death to the scumteam
-AND Scum is sticking their necks out to jump on that

I didn't say I don't care whether it's scum power or scum vanilla, I don't think everything that has to happen for one of your theories to be right is likely enough that I am worried about it more than I'm worried about Pez seeming townish.
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much like I'm not a big fan of Corrik but the theories that involve his being scum are sketchy enough that I'm not willing to lynch the protection claim right this minute
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I keep tagging not realizing this too is a novel
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Tag

Fair.

BUT, if we are going to test the Ben theory and not by lynching Ben wouldn't it be more prudent to lynch the MAFIA scan that has 0% chance of being the product of a redirect?

(From other topic)
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Tom Bombadil posted...

more than I'm worried about Pez seeming townish.

Well you would have to think that BOTH death and pez are townish though since you don't believe Ben at all. Right?
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Not necessarily. He could be faking town which would make all his scans a nulltell. Or he could be scum and some/all of those scans could be accurate anyway. I am worried more about my reads.

Obellisk posted...

0% chance of being the product of a redirect?

Ben has already stated that he got back "Death is mafia." Do you think he's lying about that part in specific? Do you think Han is lying and breaking protocol?
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and why do you think scum redirector would target ben n1? (or death if I remember the role wrong)
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Tom Bombadil posted...

and why do you think scum redirector would target ben n1? (or death if I remember the role wrong)

This is a better question to argue than scum redirecting to scum not being viable. Ben had claimed vanilla at that point. Scum probably don't gamble he's lying town then.
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I am pretty sure we can rule out the N1 redirect theory entirely. In the case of us having both scum legit pinned and scum trying to get the weaker one to go first, I'm not too worried because we've still got two scum in the bag. In any other scenario, these scans mean very little and I think death is much more likely to be a scum lynch.
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I also think I am the only one specifically pushing Death > Pez and most people are just kinda along for the ride. If Death is Maf Nilla and Pez is Maf Power and there's no godfather flip you have my permission to hold that against me after all this is done >_>
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but only if you also look into *checks* Lea and Corrik. And 5tar I guess
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Lopen posted...

Tom Bombadil posted...

and why do you think scum redirector would target ben n1? (or death if I remember the role wrong)

This is a better question to argue than scum redirecting to scum not being viable. Ben had claimed vanilla at that point. Scum probably don't gamble he's lying town then.

I mean everything we are suggesting is all just what ifs.

HOWEVER, my what if is just security.

All of yours still throw all caution to the wind.

I'm just looking out for town and trying to cut down on variables so we have a better shot at scum if Ben is in fact what he says he is.

The push to go against me and absolutely lynch death is just odd.

If you are willing to lynch one there is absolutely nothing stopping you from making the switch.

Granted I know I'm arguing with Ben disbelievers.
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UltimaterializerX posted...

It looked to me like you were hinting at having scanned Lolo innocent

UltimaterializerX posted...

Its also why I buy you.

Makes sense considering he hadn't scanned Lolo
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Obellisk posted...

I'm just looking out for town and trying to cut down on variables so we have a better shot at scum if Ben is in fact what he says he is.

Tom Bombadil posted...

Ben has already stated that he got back "Death is mafia." Do you think he's lying about that part in specific? Do you think Han is lying and breaking protocol?

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You're worrying about a nearly non-existent possibility IF Ben is cop.
I'm worrying about a decent possibility IF Ben is lying

and I suspect Ben is lying
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Tom Bombadil posted...

Ben has already stated that he got back "Death is mafia." Do you think he's lying about that part in specific? Do you think Han is lying and breaking protocol?

I think this is a bad counter argument too. Think how worthless the redirector role would be if the one who was redirected basically told them that they were
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Tom Bombadil posted...

Tom Bombadil posted...
Ben has already stated that he got back "Death is mafia." Do you think he's lying about that part in specific? Do you think Han is lying and breaking protocol?

I don't begin to dissect how Han is choosing to host this game. Host discretion how he wants to reveal scan results.

With that said, we can avoid addressing that by lynching pez over death.
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That being said Ben is def lying so I stand by this argument being pointless
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Tom Bombadil posted...

You're worrying about a nearly non-existent possibility IF Ben is cop.
I'm worrying about a decent possibility IF Ben is lying

and I suspect Ben is lying

But you know we aren't lynching Ben so get on board with the smart play.
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Lopen posted...

Think how worthless the redirector role would be if the one who was redirected basically told them that they were

I've never seen redirected scans (in specific) NOT give the final target.
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Ben is only one behind the leading scan. We can still lynch him.
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Obellisk posted...

Tom Bombadil posted...

You're worrying about a nearly non-existent possibility IF Ben is cop.
I'm worrying about a decent possibility IF Ben is lying

and I suspect Ben is lying

But you know we aren't lynching Ben so get on board with the smart play.

I am already on his guilty scan that I find more likely to be scum
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Tom Bombadil posted...

Lopen posted...

Think how worthless the redirector role would be if the one who was redirected basically told them that they were

I've never seen redirected scans (in specific) NOT give the final target.

Thats pointless.

I targeted my cop scan on Joe and got back a result that Seth is scum.

Go figure
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Lopen posted...

Ben is only one behind the leading scan. We can still lynch him.

I'd ask you to not, but I know we disagree here
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That death post will be lost to the past forever.
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Lopen posted...

Ben is only one behind the leading scan. We can still lynch him.

>You need Guts of Lionhearted to lynch the claimed scanner...
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Obellisk posted...

Thats pointless.

I targeted my cop scan on Joe and got back a result that Seth is scum.

Go figure

whine about it in post-game then

the other option is you have something that is better than framer

Even if that is how redirector works for some bastard-moddy reason, I don't think it's a significant possibility that they went after ben with it N1. I do think it's a significant possibility that Death is scum and Pez is not.
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Sheep has replaced Hbthebattle!
@Sheep007
@Hbthebattle

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That's not MI

Playerlist (14 alive)
1. Pezloco
2. UltimaterializerX
3. Lea3Lea
4. Benjamin
5. SBell (Obellisk)
6. Camarija
7. 5tarscream
8. Sheep (replaced Hbthebattle)
9. Death (HtaeD)
10. Tom Bombadil
11. Lopen
12. turbopuns3
13. Corrik
14. Lolo_Guru

Votals (as of start of topic)
(4) Death: (Lea), Corrik, (Lea), (puns), 5tar, Tom, (Lea), Lea
(3) Ben: Lopen, Sheep, Death
(3) Pez: (Lea), Ulti, (Lea), Cam, (Lea), SBell, (Lea)
(0) Lolo: (puns), (Lopen), (Sheep)
(0) Lea: (puns), (5tar)
(0) puns: (Lea)
(0) Cam: (Ulti)

With 14 players alive, it takes 8 votes to reach a majority. Day will end on Saturday, June 29th at 9PM EDT or if majority is reached ahead of time.
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I think you should gamble on lynching Ben even if you

Choosing between claimed cop and his scan vs two of his scans will give us more information for the flip.
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Even if you are shaky on confidence.
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who's sheep what do we expect from them

sheep what do you think about voldemort as a town claim
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Tom Bombadil posted...

whine about it in post-game then

Whats your damage, Tom? You're the one who doesn't know the role.
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Lopen posted...

I think you should gamble on lynching Ben even if you

Choosing between claimed cop and his scan vs two of his scans will give us more information for the flip.

More to lose. Not as +EV imo.
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@Sheep007

Claim.
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Hey sheep claim your real role instead of vanilla please. Have the resolve Hb did not
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Obellisk posted...

Tom Bombadil posted...

whine about it in post-game then

Whats your damage, Tom? You're the one who doesn't know the role.

...are you claiming scum or what
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I'm sorry to disappoint, Lea.

I haven't been keeping up with what's actually happened beyond lynches. 17 bloody topics...

I have no idea what to think about Voldemort as a town claim, Tom but I can assume that my slot already claimed flavour since I'm Harry Potter and that'd be a bit of a coincidence. Don't know anything about flavour of the game as a whole so I can't really apply it to guessing other's roles.

Also I ran a Harry Potter Mafia a few years back so this is kinda neat to roll.
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Lopen posted...

Hey sheep claim your real role instead of vanilla please. Have the resolve Hb did not

Town Vanilla. Again, sorry to disappoint.
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Can I get a quick tl;dr of what the hell has happened and any key interactions to look back on (and where they are if possible?) I might go back and read all the days during night if I have the time but right now that's just too much thinking.
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Everyone in game has claimed

Ben has claimed cop in a suspicious way with two guilty scans. Lynch is split between him and his scans.

Your predecessor claimed vanilla. We both know that's wrong though, right? Harry Potter is a deadly target bomb. Or maybe something relevant.
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Sheep007 posted...

I'm sorry to disappoint, Lea.

I haven't been keeping up with what's actually happened beyond lynches. 17 bloody topics...

I have no idea what to think about Voldemort as a town claim, Tom but I can assume that my slot already claimed flavour since I'm Harry Potter and that'd be a bit of a coincidence. Don't know anything about flavour of the game as a whole so I can't really apply it to guessing other's roles.

Also I ran a Harry Potter Mafia a few years back so this is kinda neat to roll.

Luckily we have two guilty scans so you just need to decide if you trust an uncountered cop claim or not in this situation!

Key interactions I would say are rereading today and the ends of the days

End of day 1 is topic 6-7 IIRC. End of day 3 is topic 14-15. Don't recall 2.
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an uncountered cop claim who went about it in the most suspicious way possible!
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Lopen posted...

Everyone in game has claimed

Ben has claimed cop in a suspicious way with two guilty scans. Lynch is split between him and his scans.

Your predecessor claimed vanilla. We both know that's wrong though, right? Harry Potter is a deadly target bomb. Or maybe something relevant.

Everyone has claimed D4? Pretty neat. Nobody died last night either, what happened with that (or is thought to have happened)? Also, is there a full claimlist anywhere?

Bad attempt at rolefishing btw. I am actually vanilla and if you've played any mafia you should know that popular/main character flavour does not mean PR.
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Tom Bombadil posted...

Obellisk posted...

Tom Bombadil posted...

whine about it in post-game then

Whats your damage, Tom? You're the one who doesn't know the role.

...are you claiming scum or what

I'm gonna go with "what", because I'm town. Thanks.
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