Board 8 > English Literature Mafia Topic 16: Conflict Resolution

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Needless to say, Town cannot have a set up that asinine and we know this because multiple redirectors have dropped, we know an extra kill exists, and etc.
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My theory is that there are 2-3 lying town power claiming villagers. I feel like they're pretty obvious at this point but whatever.
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Obellisk posted...

Corrik.

Talk numbers to me.

Realistically how many mislynches do we have in front of us.

There is 6 (4 left) scum. 14 Alive.

2 are dying tonight. So if we mislynch today, 11 alive. 7 town 4 scum. Tomorrow. 5 town 4 scum. Mislynch lose.

So we have 3 mislynches left. 2 if there is an indy survivor, which I doubt.

Town could have eaten half their mislynches they had this game with own powers with mayor and kingmaker. Luckily Kingmaker hit scum.
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I posted...

Basically I can redirect an action to myself. I bite my thumb (but not AT them!!) and they have to target me if they're acting.

Tom Bombadil posted...

Sbell, Pez, Lopen

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Lopen posted...

My theory is that there are 2-3 lying town power claiming villagers. I feel like they're pretty obvious at this point but whatever.

Yeah, totally the case when they could claim and blow up scum claims.

Everyone in the game has to be lying to make your theories correct. That's how silly they are. EVERYONE.
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If the real cop has some town clears that could honestly be useful I think. Probably already would've countered if you had some scum.

I think we have a hiding protection role too so you probably won't die tonight.
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Tom Bombadil posted...

I posted...

Basically I can redirect an action to myself. I bite my thumb (but not AT them!!) and they have to target me if they're acting.

Tom Bombadil posted...

Sbell, Pez, Lopen

So the person you target is redirected to you. And everyone you claim to target is claiming no actions, so you don't know if it worked.

Why you didn't redirect the flavor scanner to confirm yourself is weird.

Anyways, Tom has the weakest prot claim, but he has a inno scan, his claim still works with 3 very weak protection, etc. So, Tom has no reason to be looked at.

We lynch Death, if he is scum, ben is likely town. We do pez after. Etc. No way ben as scum gave us 2 legit scum scans.
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Corrik7 posted...

Why you didn't redirect the flavor scanner to confirm yourself is weird.

Thought about it, didn't seem worth it.
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There isn't really a scenario where 7 scum can exist cuz they had an extra kill. Also, because the town mayor and king maker.

14-7
11-7
9-7
7-7 Game over

No way scum is nearly double the amount of mislynches needed to win. Nobody is lynching right 67% of the time.

And, Kingmaker and Mayor could eat half the lynches alone letting someone take over the lynch and cause it to be wrong.
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Tom Bombadil posted...

Corrik7 posted...

Why you didn't redirect the flavor scanner to confirm yourself is weird.

Thought about it, didn't seem worth it.

You could do it tonight.
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Might

although I seem to generally be believed so I might not

wifom!
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Corrik7 posted...

There isn't really a scenario where 7 scum can exist cuz they had an extra kill.

Who even brought that up
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@Lea3Lea

Let's have a chat.

##unvote

The more I think about Lolo the more confused I get
Corrik targeting him can explain the lack of NK
But I cant see Corrik and Lolo and Tom existing at the same time.
And I find Toms claim to be believable. Its too hard to fake and he did claim last too.

That would only allow for Lolo to be the liar, except where did the NK go then?
If there is a doc still out there, then Corrik and Lolo must both be lying. And that seems excessively risky.
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5tarscream posted...

So more thoughts on Ben;

Hes telling the truth and has two guilty scans. Reasons why this is unlikely. He kept two guilty scans to himself with 2 scum dead because he wanted more scans and assumed hed be safe. Horrible reasoning and a terrible risk.
He also allowed claimed bg to go to a tie with MZero because he was ok with MZero or Sbell dying. I think that was the reason right? Then after MZero flipped he scanned Tom not SBell.
When Cam voted pez he got excited and voted pez too, only to hop off later with a lame I tried. Except hes literally claiming cop with a guilty scab on pez. How did you try when you held that information back?

Woah. Smart move #1
Smart move #2
And smart move #3

That should explain those questions of yours.
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Hi puns, how is your day?

Ben did you address the question yet of if/how you breadcrumbed your scans

Lea3Lea posted...

Hi puns, how is your day?

What thought process is behind voting MZero 69 times

Lopen posted...

How many villagers do we think are in a standardish setup of 21? I count 12 claims + reveals which seems on the high side. I think at least 2, maybe 3 of our villagers are lying town, which may clear all the remaining villagers but maybe not.

Why are you so desperate
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htaeD posted...

That would only allow for Lolo to be the liar, except where did the NK go then?
If there is a doc still out there, then Corrik and Lolo must both be lying. And that seems excessively risky.

on the other other hand the votes and the activity level look a lot like scum coasting on a town/town sbell/mzero day until whoops scum lolo is in danger

on the other other other hand I have tried to meta the last minute shenanigans twice already and been wrong (really thought Chris was scum suiciding into town Luis, and really thought cam had saved us from a sneaky scum mzero hammer on lolo)
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turbopuns3 posted...

Lea3Lea posted...

Hi puns, how is your day?

What thought process is behind voting MZero 69 times

I really thought he was scum

Lea3Lea posted...

I really thought he was scum

Who is your top scum right now

Beats me. Death I guess

Because

turbopuns3 posted...

Ben did you address the question yet of if/how you breadcrumbed your scans

I simply didn't do any straight up breadcrumbs like you. Though very early day 2 I said Death was scum for no reason and questioned someone who town cleared death. Day 3 I took any chance to vote for Pez and get a train on him
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Guilty scan, voting ben is response to a guilty scan, gut, I dunno what I'm doing tbh

I think your claiming miller as vanilla has 0 town benefit and a lot of scum benefit

Ben, if you had turned up dead today, do you feel confident town would have figured out you scanned Pez guilty?

Hm...
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Oh excuse me

Scanned pez "MAFIA"

Lea3Lea posted...

Guilty scan, voting ben is response to a guilty scan, gut, I dunno what I'm doing tbh

I think your claiming miller as vanilla has 0 town benefit and a lot of scum benefit

0 town benefit?

Also lea, who among

Ben
5tar
Corrik
Tom
Lolo

Is most likely scum

Who is most likely if that person is town

Tom Bombadil posted...

of the two I'd prefer death I think

like if you go back and look at some of the interactions we mentioned it's pretty clear that pez is on to me in some capacity, and I think VaugeTownProtection!Tom is a lot more attractive option for scum (especially scum with pez on it) than ObviousProtectionTarget!5tar.

I know this is obvious by now but Tom is most definitely town and not godfather now that he's sticking up for Pez who is screwed
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turbopuns3 posted...

Ben, if you had turned up dead today, do you feel confident town would have figured out you scanned Pez guilty?

I was hoping they would because of my statement that was like "I have no argument for why he's scum, I'm just making up bullshit because of gut feeling". But I really didn't want to die. I really don't think I left enough where people would know I guilty scanned death
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Lopen posted...

5tar, after seeing all claims and digesting all information

Town reads in order of confidence:
5tar
Tom
Hb
Pez
Death
puns
Ulti
Lea

Scum reads in order of confidence:
Ben
Lolo
Cam
SBell
Corrik

So I think if we go through the scum list we probably win. I think Ben screwed up and towncleared 3. Tom I think he cleared as town to get people looking at him once Ben inevitably is found out, as Tom has had suspicion from many, or to do a stupid "no I must have been insane!!" play.

I think lynching Ben is probably the +EV play the more and more I think about it. If he's lying scum, which seems more way likely at this point, you have no mislynches and don't distract the doc. If he's telling the truth, the flip tells us and we bag his two scum scans anyway.

Can't tell if so blatantly scum or so bad

"We go through the list we win"

Doesn't the first person, me, break that list entirely when I flip. At least make a list for me being town
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turbopuns3 posted...

Also lea, who among

Ben
5tar
Corrik
Tom
Lolo

Is most likely scum

Who is most likely if that person is town

Scum
Lolo
Corrik

Tom
Ben
5tar
Town

Ben, just to be clear, this is legit legit and not a corrik ruse? Because I completely buy Tom is town. There's no sanity out tomorrow.

Ben did you read the whole post

Corrik7 posted...

Anyone who is following lopen's list is scum or doesn't know how to play mafia. Literally impossible balance for lopen's list to be correct.

Corrik don't let anyone tell you you're not the voice of reason
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Lea3Lea posted...

turbopuns3 posted...

Also lea, who among

Ben
5tar
Corrik
Tom
Lolo

Is most likely scum

Who is most likely if that person is town

Scum
Lolo
Corrik

Tom
Ben
5tar
Town

Are you sure you are answering my two questions correctly here

benjamin3740 posted...

Corrik don't let anyone tell you you're not the voice of reason

Ok now I KNOW you are scum huehuehue

Lea3Lea posted...

Ben, just to be clear, this is legit legit and not a corrik ruse? Because I completely buy Tom is town. There's no sanity out tomorrow.

This is completely the truth. It's a little insane to me too how good Pez and Death are being at not flipping out. But I am not doing a Corrik gambit. You can either believe im town cop or scum. Either way you'll all know by the end of the day (or longer if Corrik protects me)
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benjamin3740 posted...

It's a little insane to me too how good Pez and Death are being at not flipping out.

Meh

You natrually chose a path to go about this which inherently makes you unbelievably suspicious

Why would scum freak out

hey man I got lynched for not flipping out enough when I got scum scanned
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And I'd prefer to live so I can scan again. So just kill Pez, Death, or even someone i didn't scan and who I agree could be scum!
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The way I see it, if I have to die to give town another scum. Fine by me.
I would rather not of course. But like I said, this is a thing that needs to be resolved today.
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Tom Bombadil posted...

hey man I got lynched for not flipping out enough when I got scum scanned

No

It wasn't that you didn't flip out enough

It was that you didn't flip out correctly

Example: I was fake scanned as town the very same day and literally yawned

I wouldve caught Panth too
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